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« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2012, 11:19:44 AM »

I'm sorry that you hate Islam, but few pages back I spoke about capitalism, communism, socialism and Islam as a middle way between the two. Likewise I spoke about the western monetary system, interest and banking systems. I also spoke of the alternative standard which is of Islam, a monetary system based on real valuables and resources, not imaginary numbers, free of interest, credit and debt style western banking.

It is a legit viable alternative that works and as mentioned already Islamic based investments and banks were spared of the 'crash' of 2008, and in fact profitted still, while those that were interest based were screwed, one such example of is UAE which led by a western model and thus got screwed as well.

The western greed based model of capitalism based on imaginary numbers, money out of money, etc... is bound to fail and cannot last forever. IT just makes the rich richer and poor poorer.

In case you didn't know, your government is 17 trillion dollars in debt. Due to? War mongering internationally, stealing, interest, debt, the whole garbage system is bound to fail the 'debt ceilling' just keeps going up and you 'succeed' by stealing from other and ruining others making it seem america is the 'best place to live' when in fact its an illusion.

It's a system bred on consumerism. You thriwse as long as people slave away working and are hungry and greedy for buying stupid useless things.
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« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2012, 11:20:54 AM »

I'm sorry that you hate Islam, but few pages back I spoke about capitalism, communism, socialism and Islam as a middle way between the two. Likewise I spoke about the western monetary system, interest and banking systems. I also spoke of the alternative standard which is of Islam, a monetary system based on real valuables and resources, not imaginary numbers, free of interest, credit and debt style western banking.

It is a legit viable alternative that works and as mentioned already Islamic based investments and banks were spared of the 'crash' of 2008, and in fact profitted still, while those that were interest based were screwed, one such example of is UAE which led by a western model and thus got screwed as well.

The western greed based model of capitalism based on imaginary numbers, money out of money, etc... is bound to fail and cannot last forever. IT just makes the rich richer and poor poorer.

In case you didn't know, your government is 17 trillion dollars in debt. Due to? War mongering internationally, stealing, interest, debt, the whole garbage system is bound to fail the 'debt ceilling' just keeps going up and you 'succeed' by stealing from other and ruining others making it seem america is the 'best place to live' when in fact its an illusion.
TL:DR:GFY
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« Reply #202 on: November 11, 2012, 11:21:31 AM »

TL:DR:GFY

Yeah good for you and your brain has the capacity of a speck of sand.
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« Reply #203 on: November 11, 2012, 11:24:09 AM »

Yeah good for you and your brain has the capacity of a speck of sand.
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« Reply #204 on: November 11, 2012, 12:58:32 PM »

I love how your post got totally ignored.

I was totally gonna ignore this post but you deserve better than that  Cheesy
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« Reply #205 on: November 11, 2012, 01:27:54 PM »

difficult question, depends on views of the world.

here, it works.and im in favour of it.

Why is it a difficult question? Either you can tell us what "works" means in this context or you can't.


my dad had heart surgery, cost some 100k usd, was covered.

And this proves what, exactly? It's certainly not proof that it works. Bernie Madoff frequently paid investors large returns too; doesn't prove his scheme worked.

Nobody argues that a system where all health insurance is provided by the government is impossible. It is simply ill-advised because such a system is not economically viable in the long term.


yes, everybody pays mandatory insurance and the costs are rising, but im still in favour of it.

But why are you still in favor of it? In other words, if rising costs and the fact that you are forced to do something (perhaps even against your better judgement) aren't good enough reasons to say "something is wrong here" what will it take to make you not support it? I'm only guessing but I suspect the answer is "nothing will make me not support it."


btw, a govt never pays for anything, its always the taxpayers in one way or another, govt just collects the funds and redistributes where needed(and often, where its not needed).

Taxes paid to the government become the government's income and the government can do with it's income as it pleases. But that's irrelevant: whether the government pays or merely acts as a broker doesn't change anything.

But I disagree with something else you said: that the government's job is to redistribute funds/wealth where it's needed. Perhaps that's the case where you live, but the functions of the United States government are tightly proscribed and "redistribution" isn't on the list of proscribed activities.


should we let the elderly and sick just die off if they cant afford therapy?

*bzzt* logical fallacy detected: FALSE DICHOTOMY. The choice isn't only between "government healthcare" and "let the sick and poor die" regardless of how much you'd like to believe that.
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« Reply #206 on: November 11, 2012, 01:29:22 PM »

I was totally gonna ignore this post but you deserve better than that  Cheesy
Lol, a few people were talking about how great Canada's health care system was, and everything bad you here is just shit talk... And then you posted that, and none of your fellow Canadians acknowledged it.
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« Reply #207 on: November 11, 2012, 01:57:50 PM »

Lol, a few people were talking about how great Canada's health care system was, and everything bad you here is just shit talk... And then you posted that, and none of your fellow Canadians acknowledged it.

I haven't looked through the thread at all but thanks for filling me in.

Maybe it's different in other provinces but here in Ontario it hasn't been a good experience for me wrt this country's health care system. I'm currently in the largest city in Canada but even when I lived in a city with a much smaller population it was still pretty bad. I wonder what my tax dollars are doing?

Seems like in Canada we punish the hard working people and reward the lazy that don't wanna do anything with their lives. Yeah, its great here if you're looking for a safe and peaceful country to live in where we won't let you starve to death but if you wanna get ahead you're better off elsewhere.

We don't have high murder rates or ghettos other than the reserves where the natives live and even the worst neighbouhoods in Toronto are a cake walk compared to those in the U.S. In the developed world there is no excuse for anyone to remain a financial burden for the rest of the hard working people.

 

 

 
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« Reply #208 on: November 11, 2012, 04:51:31 PM »

Only way I'll go to a hospital here in Canada is if I get shot or stabbed.....even than I'd rather go to a vet. I've sat waiting in emergency for ridiculous amounts of time for simple shit like a few stitches and can't seem to find a family doctor accepting new clients. I don't even want a gp cause my previous one was a useless chink but sometimes you need them to sign shit and stuff like that.

Oh and never mind the waiting periods for appointments to see specialists...

I've had better health services in a third world country in latin america.

I'll call bullshit.  Number one, a few stitches isn't an emergency and you probably didn't need to be in the ER.  You certainly shouldn't be seen before heart patients, stroke patients and any other patient who has potentially life threatening illnesses.  My uncle and cousins live in Toronto.  My uncle tore his ACL and was operated on the next day.  My two cousins also had training related injuries one I believe was a torn bicep and both were fixed in less than a week.
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« Reply #209 on: November 11, 2012, 04:56:18 PM »

Lol, a few people were talking about how great Canada's health care system was, and everything bad you here is just shit talk... And then you posted that, and none of your fellow Canadians acknowledged it.

Yeah, I've posted about that before too, and get crickets.  Both systems are far from perfect, and have their own faults.  It's just that certain posters never miss an opporntunity to tells what a shithole we live in, no matter what.  It limits credibility, not that credibiily actually means anything on a message board.
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« Reply #210 on: November 11, 2012, 05:28:16 PM »

I'll call bullshit.  Number one, a few stitches isn't an emergency and you probably didn't need to be in the ER.  You certainly shouldn't be seen before heart patients, stroke patients and any other patient who has potentially life threatening illnesses.  My uncle and cousins live in Toronto.  My uncle tore his ACL and was operated on the next day.  My two cousins also had training related injuries one I believe was a torn bicep and both were fixed in less than a week.

Trust me I did NOT wanna be in there but had no where else to go. If I could've kept the wound from bleeding I wouldn't have sat in the emergency room for over 12 hours dick head.
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« Reply #211 on: November 11, 2012, 05:39:25 PM »

Who's gonna pay the doctors their high salaries?  If the government steps in, I'm sure they would regulate what could be charged for certain procedures. Doctors come out of school with immense debt, which needs to be paid for by them conducting business. I think it's okay like it is, and if the govt wants to start its own version that is for the poor/uninsured, let them do it. I'm sure it would be great, just like standing in line at the DMV.
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« Reply #212 on: November 11, 2012, 06:21:56 PM »

Trust me I did NOT wanna be in there but had no where else to go. If I could've kept the wound from bleeding I wouldn't have sat in the emergency room for over 12 hours dick head.

Your obviously a PUSSY.  That's number one.  Number two, you offered nothing to my central point regarding Canadian family members who've gotten great service from the Canadian Health System.  Keep trying BITCH!
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« Reply #213 on: November 11, 2012, 06:23:06 PM »

Who's gonna pay the doctors their high salaries?  If the government steps in, I'm sure they would regulate what could be charged for certain procedures. Doctors come out of school with immense debt, which needs to be paid for by them conducting business. I think it's okay like it is, and if the govt wants to start its own version that is for the poor/uninsured, let them do it. I'm sure it would be great, just like standing in line at the DMV.

Doctors in Great Britain make quite handsome salaries.  They need not make millions per year in order to "get by".  Keep pluggin away there champ.
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« Reply #214 on: November 11, 2012, 06:47:09 PM »

Your obviously a PUSSY.  That's number one.  Number two, you offered nothing to my central point regarding Canadian family members who've gotten great service from the Canadian Health System.  Keep trying BITCH!
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« Reply #215 on: November 11, 2012, 06:55:07 PM »

Doctors in Great Britain make quite handsome salaries.  They need not make millions per year in order to "get by".  Keep pluggin away there champ.

Says the dude who can't distinguish between the proper use for your and you're.  Roll Eyes. It was a general question which needs a real answer. Shit is expensive because it has the cost of research, school, and real life experiences behind it. Now, if everyone worked in a system where things didn't cost money and we all worked for free and maxed out our potential, there wouldn't be a need for it. But, I personally have no problem with a doctor making serious coin for what they do. Shit, most leave school a half million in debt.
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« Reply #216 on: November 11, 2012, 06:55:14 PM »

 No such thing as a perfect health system  but it's pretty fucked up here.
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« Reply #217 on: November 11, 2012, 08:00:57 PM »

Says the dude who can't distinguish between the proper use for your and you're.  Roll Eyes. It was a general question which needs a real answer. Shit is expensive because it has the cost of research, school, and real life experiences behind it. Now, if everyone worked in a system where things didn't cost money and we all worked for free and maxed out our potential, there wouldn't be a need for it. But, I personally have no problem with a doctor making serious coin for what they do. Shit, most leave school a half million in debt.

Last time I checked, 500K is serious coin.  You're a douche.  Water boy!
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« Reply #218 on: November 11, 2012, 08:08:04 PM »

Last time I checked, 500K is serious coin.  You're a douche.  Water boy!

500k would not be worth the headache and school, and that's not bravado on my part. Seriously.
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« Reply #219 on: November 11, 2012, 09:39:17 PM »

Last time I checked, 500K is serious coin.  You're a douche.  Water boy!

Perhaps it is - last time you checked based on your standards. Not everybody lives where you love and has the same standards.

$500,000/year may be crazy money in Northern Minnesota, but it's not that crazy in Northern California or New York.

$500,000/year may be crazy money to someone working at Wal-Mart, but it's not that crazy to a surgeon who specializes in brain surgery.

And even if you think that $500,000/year is enough for everyone, so what? What you think isn't binding on the rest of us and your thoughts don't entitle you to my money.

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« Reply #220 on: November 11, 2012, 09:41:37 PM »

Perhaps it is - last time you checked based on your standards. Not everybody lives where you love and has the same standards.

$500,000/year may be crazy money in Northern Minnesota, but it's not that crazy in Northern California or New York.

$500,000/year may be crazy money to someone working at Wal-Mart, but it's not that crazy to a surgeon who specializes in brain surgery.

And even if you think that $500,000/year is enough for everyone, so what? What you think isn't binding on the rest of us and your thoughts don't entitle you to my money.



I'm sold.  You keep buying lottery tickets and going to casino's.  One day you will strike it rich and I hope the government isn't there to ration your earnings.
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« Reply #221 on: November 11, 2012, 09:48:48 PM »

I'm sold.  You keep buying lottery tickets and going to casino's.  One day you will strike it rich and I hope the government isn't there to ration your earnings.

The government takes way too much from me already, without my having any lottery income.
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« Reply #222 on: November 11, 2012, 09:55:57 PM »

The government takes way too much from me already, without my having any lottery income.

I'm quite certain you get more from the govt. than it gets from you.
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« Reply #223 on: November 11, 2012, 10:07:18 PM »

I'm quite certain you get more from the govt. than it gets from you.

Oh, well if you're certain...
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« Reply #224 on: November 11, 2012, 10:12:42 PM »

I'm quite certain you get more from the govt. than it gets from you.
considering the 16 trillion dollar debt..  i sure hope so!  Grin
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