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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2012, 10:51:29 PM » |
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well, both can be fine in moderation, both are bad in excess, however because saturated fat intake is so strongly correlated with heart disease and a host of other diseases when total calorie intake is high enough, im gonna have to go with saturated fat.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2012, 01:48:22 AM » |
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i'd rather do anything than taking nutritional advice from tbomz...  |
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2012, 01:51:19 AM » |
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Lol I had to do class on research and I chose heart disease cuz there's such an abundance of research on it.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2012, 01:56:08 AM » |
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"Nautilus" = Not Ill Less
so are you saying that nautilus is good or bad? btw, how's your bench? |
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2012, 03:04:09 AM » |
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Sugar (not 'sugars' ie fruits) imo is the first thing that has to go when you're doing ANY form of a BB of fitness diet.
Saturated fat is not too evil in reasonable amounts as long as you are within your calorie limits and the diet is clean everywhere else
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2012, 04:46:20 AM » |
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Sugar (not 'sugars' ie fruits) imo is the first thing that has to go when you're doing ANY form of a BB of fitness diet.
Saturated fat is not too evil in reasonable amounts as long as you are within your calorie limits and the diet is clean everywhere else
Why? I'm sure the daily Vitargo/Karbolyn drinks containing pure sugar that people drink post workout are not harmful at all. The daily steak they eat a few hours later on the other hand ... (of course 1 steak a day isn't going to be harmful but you get the point) |
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2012, 04:56:23 AM » |
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Why?
I'm sure the daily Vitargo/Karbolyn drinks containing pure sugar that people drink post workout are not harmful at all. The daily steak they eat a few hours later on the other hand ...
(of course 1 steak a day isn't going to be harmful but you get the point)
Read Gary Taubes. Taubes books are pretty enlightening. It is interesting how fats behave/are processed in the presence of excessive carbohydrates. The theory that a calorie is a calorie is not exactly true. Fats, proteins and carbohydrates are all processed differently by the body. |
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2012, 04:58:23 AM » |
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Gary Taubes is considered a major quack. He's also not an educated nutritionist so I would never take any of his advise if I were you.
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2012, 05:15:17 AM » |
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2012, 05:15:26 AM » |
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Gary Taubes is considered a major quack. He's also not an educated nutritionist so I would never take any of his advise if I were you.
The book is really a dissection of nutritional studies, recommendations and conventional medical wisdom on diet. Taubes isn't coming up with his own theories on eating and it is in no way a diet book. I would read it before you form any judgement. From the tone of your reply I get the impression you have a false impression of what his books are about. This books is sports specific and not really relevant to what Taubes writes about. I will give the book you suggested a read. |
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2012, 05:17:52 AM » |
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sugar is worse with regards to "health"
but as far as "looks" are concerned, "diet" means nearly nothing, it's ALL in the training
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2012, 05:18:19 AM » |
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The book is really a dissection of nutritional studies, recommendations and conventional medical wisdom on diet. Taubes isn't coming up with his own theories on eating and it is in no way a diet book. I would read it before you form any judgement. From the tone of your reply I get the impression you have a false impression of what his books are about.
In that case I will look into them. But still, there are nutritional scientists providing information, why not just listen to them? I hope no one thinks they all have an agenda and are providing false information? |
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2012, 05:19:37 AM » |
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sugar is worse with regards to "health"
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2012, 05:20:06 AM » |
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In that case I will look into them. But still, there are nutritional scientists providing information, why not just listen to them? I hope no one thinks they all have an agenda and are providing false information?
Ill do the same with the book you suggested. I appreciate the suggestion. |
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2012, 05:22:51 AM » |
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Ill do the same with the book you suggested. I appreciate the suggestion.
Which Taubes' book do you recommend? So basically the only thing he does is look for flaws in studies? Then why the fuck is everyone saying he has his own diet recommendations and promotes a low carb diet?  |
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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2012, 05:23:01 AM » |
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Why? because sugar has almost ZERO nutrutional (sp?) value, while saturated fat has some value |
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2012, 06:40:49 AM » |
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because sugar has almost ZERO nutrutional (sp?) value, while saturated fat has some value
The foods that contain the saturated fat yes but the fat itself? Take deep frying oil for instance which is pure saturated fat.  What does it have that is beneficial for you apart from energy? |
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2012, 06:47:19 AM » |
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Let's re-phrase the question: Who here would rather drink 500 kcals of saturated fat in the form of deep frying oil each day (made into a drink that tastes ok, if that is possible haha), and who would rather drink 500 kcals of any of the commercial sports drinks containing only pure sugar each day? Disregarding the taste, I'd be 100% sure my health would not be negatively impacted by the 500 kcals of sports drinks, while it probably would be negatively impacted by the 500 kcals of deep frying oil. Both chemicals in a fair 1 vs 1. (stripped of their carrier foods) Voting is open  |
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2012, 07:51:24 AM » |
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The foods that contain the saturated fat yes but the fat itself? Take deep frying oil for instance which is pure saturated fat. What does it have that is beneficial for you apart from energy? it raises test levels |
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2012, 07:55:23 AM » |
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Saturdated is not bad. Hydrogenated oils are the fucking devil. The body doesn't even know how to use it for fuel.
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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2012, 08:01:37 AM » |
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i'd rather do anything than taking nutritional advice from tbomz... is that tbombs in his avatar pic? looks good but 100% roids |
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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2012, 08:08:20 AM » |
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is that tbombs in his avatar pic? looks good but 100% roids
About 50% roids 50% semen |
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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2012, 08:15:30 AM » |
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by the way BigC, did The Shitels happen to have any opinions on this topic?
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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2012, 09:37:15 AM » |
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Refined sugars!
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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2012, 09:46:51 AM » |
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saturated cock is good for you
hope this helps
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