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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2012, 06:01:19 AM »

With Gaza being somewhat isolated, how do they manage to get so many rockets?  Are they made there or smuggled in?   Seems to me like Israeli intelligence should know everything that goes on in that shit hole.

Presumably, Hamas is a proxy for Iran, which funds the people in Gaza.  Israel tries to inspect cargo, and catches shit when it does.
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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2012, 09:09:46 AM »

lol except hamas is anything but Irani. Hamas is sunni and Iran is shia, they support hizbullah which is shia.

Just like with the iraq/afghanistan wars, lies are perpetrated to tie 'every group' with every country of target interest.

Hamas has nothing to do with Iran. It's a muslim resistance movement one of many. The majority of movements in Palestine are indeed resistance movements trying to defend Palestinians from the Israeli onslaught.

Despite beginning as a resistance movement to the israeli occpuation, hamas became a government, they build schools, factories, homes, places of worship, and other infrastructure as best as they can under the circumstances.

likewise with hizbullah in lebanon. They are the ones not only resisting israeli oppression but have done the same becoming a government movement that leads the people. Both are supported by the natives as they offer infrastructure/governance and defense.
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« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2012, 09:13:40 AM »

I'm going to go with the instigators who are lobing hundreds of missiles into cities and towns.  The Israelis gave up Gaza to the Palestinians in hopes of peace.  They got Hamas instead.




What a load of hunk of shit. "Israelis" didn't exist. Period. Israel didn't exist until 1948. Palestinians were forced to give up their land, because they are under military occupation. Israeli didn't give up SHIT, they took everything and keep taking everything little by little every day.

Hopes of peace. What a load of shit. That's why Israeli day in day out bulldozes Palestinian homes, steals land and builds israeli 'settlements' until they take over each area little by little.

almost every year israel approves thousands upon thousands of 'settlements'.
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« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2012, 09:18:04 AM »

What a load of hunk of shit. "Israelis" didn't exist. Period. Israel didn't exist until 1948. Palestinians were forced to give up their land, because they are under military occupation. Israeli didn't give up SHIT, they took everything and keep taking everything little by little every day.

Hopes of peace. What a load of shit. That's why Israeli day in day out bulldozes Palestinian homes, steals land and builds israeli 'settlements' until they take over each area little by little.

almost every year israel approves thousands upon thousands of 'settlements'.
Lol, you're right, the Jews never lived in what is now Israel, not ever. Good point.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2012, 09:48:30 AM »

No what most people believe is that in order to be peace despite what Israelis did and even keep doing, Muslims and Christians being forgiving to Israelis. It would begin with Israelis STOPPING doing what they've kept doing. The israelis DONT want peace. Why? Because they keep doing what they are doing and every time 'talks' take place, it is only to buy time not authentic peace.

Constantly breaking truce, constantly killing palestinians, jailing, humiliating, even women and children. Israel has Palestinian children in jails, pregnant women in jails.

After all they are told that non-jews are worth less than animals, you can listen to IDF shitheads bragging about that plenty of youtube videos of them not giving a shit.


As in the last war Journalists are banned from entering gaza. Why? To cover up the truth!

And as the last war, journalists are TARGETTED by Israelis:

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PressTV and RT the only channels covering the conflict have been bombed. "Accident" as usual
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« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2012, 09:50:36 AM »

Stop skewing things I say.

There was no israel. Jews lived peacefully under Muslim rule for thousand+ years. Israel as an entity never existed the way it is being propagated. The Jewish kingdoms existed what like 2000-3000 years ago?

Jews were in the minority but due to mass immigrations from Europe and Russia their population became larger. Hundreds of thousands almost each year kept come in. It was a planned project to take the land over. Still though the Muslim and Christian population was larger but it went down briefly by forced refugees having to flee under the occupation.
So because Israel never existed the way it does today, means that they should just put down their weapons and surrender to the merciful Muslims that just want their land back so that they can peacefully coexist with the Jews again?
Lol, what a load of shit. There is no way you can believe the shit you're spewing.
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« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2012, 09:59:34 AM »

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« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2012, 09:59:54 AM »

It's amusing what an ignorant and evil dickhead you are.

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« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2012, 10:01:17 AM »

bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.
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« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2012, 10:02:58 AM »

Got to tip my hat to the Iranians and their strategy for their puppet dogs in Hamas.

- Obama gets re-elected - the Eurotrashes don't even wait to start talking about escalating their support of the Syrian rebels.
- Hamas, out of nowhere, picks that week to start launching hundreds of rockets into Israel after being nearly silent since they got the shit kicked out of them in the last Israeli offensive.
- Whole world stops looking at Syria and all plans of rebel assistance get put on the back burner as all eyes and focus turn to Israel/Gaza.

Bravo, little Hamas lapdogs. Making your Iranian masters proud!




One has to ask what they hope to accomplish with those rockets? Clearly they're hoping for an Israeli response that gets Fakestinians killed as they "conveniently" love launching said rockets near hospitals, schools and various other places that make for good media fodder.
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« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2012, 10:03:47 AM »

bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.

Look at the date of the rule change.  They have been stickied since last week.  When the rule was added

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« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2012, 10:07:12 AM »

bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.

Mohammedan meltdown.

Here's a question for you, Mohammedan. You advocate non-Muslims paying the jizya. Why would anyone pay an inferior group of people for "protection" they can't provide? The non-Muslim is superior to muslims in every single way.
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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2012, 11:36:39 AM »

Ron setting the story straight. Cool


No he did not.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2012, 11:40:44 AM »

bullshit, all the islamophobe trash on here gets away with slander and insults of Muslims. I don't see you deleting that. I get name called too. I would sure hope you uphold those standards when those you 'disagree' with do it.

Hypocrite dbl standard. Only when you see fit huh? Ozmo you've attacked Muslims and called us names several times before.

Ahmed cut the crap....stop with the out cry of negativity towards Muslims..this isn't about all Muslims..it's about the Muslim groups and terrorist affiliated associations..to say Hamas has nothing to do with Iranians is plain ignorant...you cannot tell me Hamas has sufficient funding for itself by its self governing state..these negative Muslim groups are heavily financed by terrorists ...these financiers maybe or may not care about their cause..you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that Iran does pump in cash to some of these Muslims to protect Irans ideals against Jews and to alsopotentially to use them as front line warfare to their advantage..is Israel always right...no..but Israel must be play the card of bully because of its location in the Middle East..this is a simple maneuver of modern warfare where one cannot show weakness..the moment Israel shows weakness is a chance for a terrorist association or just some scum bags Muslim to do something bad to its people..
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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2012, 12:39:58 PM »

fuck this shit i'm converting to buddhism  Grin

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« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2012, 02:22:46 PM »

Dead Child Hamas Paraded In Front Of Media Was Not Killed By Israel, He Was Killed By One Of Hamas’ Own Rockets



But there were signs on Saturday that not all the Palestinian casualties have been the result of Israeli air strikes. The highly publicised death of four-year-old Mohammed Sadallah appeared to have been the result of a misfiring home-made rocket, not a bomb dropped by Israel.

The child’s death on Friday figured prominently in media coverage after Hisham Kandil, the Egyptian prime minister, was filmed lifting his dead body out of an ambulance. “The boy, the martyr, whose blood is still on my hands and clothes, is something that we cannot keep silent about,” he said, before promising to defend the Palestinian people.

But experts from the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights who visited the site on Saturday said they believed that the explosion was caused by a Palestinian rocket.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9685564/Israeli-forces-prepare-for-war-as-troops-mass-on-Gaza-border.html



One has to question what the Fakestinians hope to accomplish by launching rockets around children and other civilians. Couldn't be that they're actually hoping people get killed, could it?  Lips sealed
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« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2012, 02:37:45 PM »

^Israhell nor its supporters have no credibility. They bar journalists from entering the area, they also target journalists who are reporting the truth.

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« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2012, 04:13:15 PM »

Israeli Minister: “The goal…is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.”
by: David Harris-Gershon on November 17th, 2012 | 4 Comments »

Interior Minister Eli Yishai, in a moment of disturbing candor, revealed what is for many in Netanyahu’s government the ultimate goal of its escalating military campaign on Gaza:

“The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.”

Now, part of Yishai’s bombast comes from the fact that, as a known racist and head of the ultra-orthodox Shas party, he’d feel much more comfortable in the Middle Ages himself.

However, his statement reveals an essential truth few Israeli leaders dare to articulate. And that truth is this: the current military throttling of Gaza has less to do with security and more to do with destabilizing Gaza as much as possible.

Put another way, the military campaign is less about destroying Hamas’s weaponry and more about creating a situation in which Hamas remains both militant and strong.

Why?


As I explained in a previous piece:

Israel has engaged in its current, escalating military campaign not to protect Israelis from a militant Hamas, but in order to ensure that Hamas in Gaza remains militant.

Why? The answer is simple and twofold:
  • a) Netanyahu’s government wants a militant Hamas in Gaza; it wants a situation in which Gaza becomes isolated from the West Bank, hoping eventually Greater Israel will be obtained with Gaza becoming a separate entity
  • b) with Israeli elections set for January, electoral motivations are undeniably in play with regard to this sudden military barrage.

Now, nobody is questioning whether Israel should be able to defend itself from rocket attacks on its citizens. But the tactics of bombing hundreds of Hamas strongholds and assassinating Hamas leaders is part of a larger strategy meant to maintain the status quo, not make Israelis safer in the long run.

As Janine Zacharia wisely wrote in Slate:

To be sure, Israel will once again achieve many of its short-term tactical goals, assassinating a handful of Hamas leaders, leveling militant safe houses, and eliminating scores of Hamas military installations or weapon depots. And, in the end, Israel will be no safer, although it will surely be more alone in the world and living in a neighborhood that is less tolerant of its aggressive countermeasures.

It’s time to declare Israel’s policy toward Gaza and Hamas a failure.
This is not an anti-Israel statement. Rather, it is an honest acknowledgment of the facts, which are simply too numerous to avoid.

Which brings us back to Yishai: The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages.

Translated? The goal is not to protect Israelis from rocket fire, but to make Gaza as archaic and poor a place as possible to live. A place where extremism can continue to thrive.

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« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2012, 04:27:16 PM »

Israel attacked Gaza knowing truce was in the works

As Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip enters its second day, reports have emerged that it launched the attack in the knowledge that a 'permanent truce' was in the works.

Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reports:

'Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the ceasefire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders...

Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination.

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"He was in line to die, not an angel and not a righteous man of peace," Baskin said of Jabari and of his feelings in the wake of the killing, “but his assassination also killed the possibility of achieving a truce.' [my emph.]

I have already documented that Israel's attack violated a de facto truce that had succeeded in reducing rockets to virtually zero. As the International Crisis Group's Nathan Thrall put it, Israel's attack

'started after people were already talking about a ceasefire. The front page of Ha'aretz this morning was talking about a ceasefire and there was a lull at four in the afternoon when Jabari’s car was hit.'

It now appears that it also knowingly pre-empted a long-term ceasefire.

This covers the immediate run-up to Israel's attack; for a broader background, see the timeline below:

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Elsewhere, Israeli academic and peace activist Gershon Baskin described Israel's assassination of Jabari, the leader of Hamas's military wing assassinated yesterday by Israel, as 'total insanity':

'Jaabri was behind enforcing all of the recent ceasefire agreements. He sent his troops out to stop the rockets and was prepared to reach a long term ceasefire. Jaabri was also the main interlocutor of the Egyptian intelligence service in reaching ceasefire understandings. Now who are they supposed to talk to? Who can expect the Egyptians to continue to mitigate our relationship with Gaza? Now the government and people of Israel will face a massive barrage of rockets and they bought the entrance card to Cast Lead II.'

This account is supported by veteran Israeli correspondent Aluf Benn, who describes Jabari as Israel's 'subcontractor' in Gaza.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/15/1161891/-Israeli-newspaper-Israel-attacked-Gaza-knowing-truce-was-in-the-works

Timeline: Israel's Latest Escalation in Gaza

Earlier today it was reported that Israel assassinated the leader of Hamas’ military wing, Ahmed Jabari, breaking a tentative truce with Palestinian fighters that had been in place since Monday. The truce followed an escalation in violence that began last Thursday in which six Palestinian civilians were killed, including three children, and more than fifty others injured.

The IMEU offers the following timeline of the recent violence and a fact sheet on previous Israeli ceasefire violations.

I. TIMELINE: ISRAEL’S LATEST ESCALATION IN GAZA

THURSDAY, 8 NOVEMBER

Following a two-week lull in violence, Israeli soldiers invade Gaza. In the resulting exchange of gunfire with Palestinian fighters, a twelve year-old boy is killed by an Israeli bullet while he plays soccer.

Shortly afterwards, Palestinian fighters blow up a tunnel along the Gaza-Israel frontier, injuring one Israeli soldier.


SATURDAY, 10 NOVEMBER

An anti-tank missile fired by Palestinian fighters wounds four Israeli soldiers driving in a jeep along the Israel-Gaza boundary.

An Israeli artillery shell lands in a soccer field in Gaza killing two children, aged sixteen and seventeen. Later, an Israeli tank fires a shell at a tent where mourners are gathered for a funeral, killing two more civilians and wounding more than two dozen others.
 

SUNDAY, 11 NOVEMBER

One Palestinian civilian is killed and dozens more are wounded in Israeli attacks. Four Israeli civilians are also injured as a result of projectiles launched from Gaza, according to the Israeli government.

During an Israeli government cabinet meeting, Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz urges the government to “cut off the head of the snake… take out the leadership of Hamas in Gaza.” He also calls for a cutting off of water, food, electricity, and fuel shipments to Gaza’s 1.7 million people.
 
MONDAY, 12 NOVEMBER

Palestinian militant factions agree to a truce if Israel ends its attacks.
 
WEDNESDAY, 14 NOVEMBER

Israel breaks two days of calm by assassinating Ahmed Jabari, the head of Hamas' military wing. According to reports, at least eight other Palestinians are killed in Israeli attacks, including at least two children. Palestinian militant groups vow to respond.
 

II. FACT SHEET

- Self-Defense or Provocation?: Israel's History of Breaking Ceasefires -

Since Israel’s creation in 1948, Israeli political and military leaders have demonstrated a pattern of repeatedly violating ceasefires with their enemies in order to gain military advantage, for territorial aggrandizement, or to provoke their opponents into carrying out acts of violence that Israel can then exploit politically and/or use to justify military operations already planned.

The following fact sheet provides a brief overview of some of the most high-profile and consequential ceasefire violations committed by the Israeli military over the past six decades.

2012 – On 14 November, two days after Palestinian factions in Gaza agree to a truce following several days of violence, Israel assassinates the leader of Hamas’ military wing, Ahmed Jabari, threatening to escalate the violence once again after a week in which at least six Palestinian civilians are killed and dozens more wounded in Israeli attacks.

2012 - On 9 March, Israel violates an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire and assassinates the head of the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, sparking another round of violence in which at least two-dozen Palestinians are killed, including at least four civilians, and scores more wounded. As usual, Israel claims it is acting in self-defense against an imminent attack being planned by the PRC, while providing no evidence to substantiate the allegation.

Following the assassination, Israeli journalist Zvi Bar’el writes in Haaretz newspaper:

"It is hard to understand what basis there is for the assertion that Israel is not striving to escalate the situation. One could assume that an armed response by the Popular Resistance Committees or Islamic Jihad to Israel’s targeted assassination was taken into account. But did anyone weigh the possibility that the violent reaction could lead to a greater number of Israeli casualties than any terrorist attack that Zuhair al-Qaisi, the secretary-general of the Popular Resistance Committees, could have carried out?

'In the absence of a clear answer to that question, one may assume that those who decided to assassinate al-Qaisi once again relied on the "measured response" strategy, in which an Israeli strike draws a reaction, which draws an Israeli counter-reaction."


Just over two months prior, on the third anniversary of Operation Cast Lead, Israeli army Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz tells Israel’s Army Radio that Israel will need to attack Gaza again soon to restore its power of “deterrence,” and that the assault must be “swift and painful,” concluding, “we will act when the conditions are right."

2011 – On 29 October, Israel breaks a truce that has maintained calm for two months, killing five Islamic Jihad members in Gaza, including a senior commander. The following day, Egypt brokers another truce that Israel proceeds to immediately violate, killing another four IJ members. In the violence, a total of nine Palestinians and one Israeli are killed.

2008 - In November, Israel violates a ceasefire with Hamas and other Gaza-based militant groups that has been in place since June, launching an operation that kills six Hamas members. Militant groups respond by launching rockets into southern Israel, which Israel shortly thereafter uses to justify Operation Cast Lead, its devastating military assault on Gaza beginning on 27 December. Over the next three weeks, the Israeli military kills approximately 1,400 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 300 children. A UN Human Rights Council Fact Finding Mission led by South African jurist Richard Goldstone subsequently concludes that both Israel and Hamas committed war crimes and crimes against humanity during the fighting, a judgment shared by human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

2002 - On 23 July, hours before a widely-reported ceasefire declared by Hamas and other Palestinian groups is scheduled to come into effect, Israel bombs an apartment building in the middle of the night in the densely populated Gaza Strip in order to assassinate Hamas leader Salah Shehada. Fourteen civilians, including nine children, are also killed in the attack, and fifty others are wounded, leading to a scuttling of the ceasefire and a continuation of violence.

2002 – On 14 January, Israel assassinates Raed Karmi, a militant leader in the Fatah party, following a ceasefire agreed to by all Palestinian militant groups the previous month, leading to its cancellation. Later in January, the first suicide bombing by the Fatah-linked Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade takes place.

2001 – On 23 November, Israel assassinates senior Hamas militant Mahmoud Abu Hanoud. At the time, Hamas was adhering to an agreement made with PLO head Yasser Arafat not to attack targets inside of Israel. Following the killing, respected Israeli military correspondent of the right-leaning Yediot Ahronot newspaper, Alex Fishman, writes in a front-page story: "We again find ourselves preparing with dread for a new mass terrorist attack within the Green Line [Israel's pre-1967 border]… Whoever gave a green light to this act of liquidation knew full well that he is thereby shattering in one blow the gentleman's agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority; under that agreement, Hamas was to avoid in the near future suicide bombings inside the Green Line...” A week later, Hamas responds with bombings in Jerusalem and Haifa.

2001 – On 25 July, as Israeli and Palestinian Authority security officials meet to shore up a six-week-old ceasefire, Israel assassinates a senior Hamas member in Nablus. Nine days later, Hamas responds with a suicide bombing in a Jerusalem pizzeria.

1988 – In April, Israel assassinates senior PLO leader Khalil al-Wazir in Tunisia, even as the Reagan administration is trying to organize an international conference to broker peace between Israelis and Palestinians. The US State Department condemns the murder as an “act of political assassination.” In ensuing protests in the occupied territories, a further seven Palestinians are gunned down by Israeli forces.

1982 – Following Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in June, and after PLO fighters depart Beirut under the terms of a US-brokered ceasefire, Israel violates the terms of the agreement and moves its armed forces into the western part of the city, where the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila are located. Shortly thereafter, Israeli soldiers surround the camps and send in their local Christian Phalangist allies - even though the long and bloody history between Palestinians and Phalangists in Lebanon is well known to the Israelis, and despite the fact that the Phalangists' leader, Bashir Gemayel, has just been assassinated and Palestinians are rumored (incorrectly) to be responsible. Over the next three days, between 800 and 3,500 Palestinian refugees, mostly women and children left behind by the PLO fighters, are butchered by the Phalangists as Israeli soldiers look on. In the wake of the massacre, an Israeli commission of inquiry, the Kahan Commission, deems that Israeli Defense Minister (and future Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon bears "personal responsibility" for the slaughter.

1981-2 – Under Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, Israel repeatedly violates a nine month-old UN-brokered ceasefire with the PLO in Lebanon in an effort to provoke a response that will justify a large-scale invasion of the country that Sharon has been long planning. When PLO restraint fails to provide Sharon with an adequate pretext, he uses the attempted assassination of Israel’s ambassador to England to justify a massive invasion aimed at destroying the PLO – despite the fact that Israeli intelligence officials believe the PLO has nothing to do with the assassination attempt. In the ensuing invasion, more than 17,000 Lebanese are killed.

1973 – Following a ceasefire agreement arranged by the US and the Soviet Union to end the Yom Kippur War, Israel violates the agreement with a “green light” from US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. According to declassified US documents, Kissinger tells the Israelis they can take a “slightly longer" time to adhere to the truce. As a result, Israel launches an attack and surrounds the Egyptian Third Army, causing a major diplomatic crisis between the US and Soviets that pushes the two superpowers to the brink of nuclear war, with the Soviets threatening to intervene to save their Egyptian allies and the US issuing a Defcon III nuclear alert.

1967 - Israel violates the 1949 Armistice Agreement, launching a surprise attack against Egypt and Syria. Despite claims that Israel is acting in self-defense against an impending attack from Egypt, Israeli leaders are well aware that Egypt poses no serious threat. Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of the General Staff of the Israeli army during the war, says in a 1968 interview that "I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." And former Prime Minister Menachem Begin later admits that "Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."

1956 - Colluding with Britain and France, Israel violates the 1949 Armistice Agreement by invading Egypt and occupying the Sinai Peninsula. Israel only agrees to withdraw following pressure from US President Dwight Eisenhower.

1949 – Immediately after the UN-brokered Armistice Agreement between Israel and its neighbors goes into effect, the armed forces of the newly-created Israeli state begin violating the truce with encroachments into designated demilitarized zones and military attacks that claim numerous civilian casualties.
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« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2012, 04:30:28 PM »

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« Reply #70 on: November 18, 2012, 05:36:59 PM »

You know Jag is pissed when she goes over size 18 font.

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« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2012, 05:43:45 PM »

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« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2012, 05:46:37 PM »

“I want to say a word. With this signature the German people and the German armed forces are for better or worse delivered into the victor’s hands. In this war, which has lasted more than five years, they both have achieved and suffered more than perhaps any other people in the world. In this hour I can only express the hope that the victor will treat them with generosity.”



^^The words of Gnrl. Alfred Jodl.
 
I see you're an educated man. Quite a rarity around these parts.
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« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2012, 05:47:55 PM »


Somewhere between bad and well.
Yourself?

Same.  Wink
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