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« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2012, 10:20:26 PM » |
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Israel is a useless turd who doesn't give a fuck about honor, about dignity, about respect, about life, about holding truces, about agreements, about peace or anything to do with any form of law, international or otherwise.
Israel is full of shit.
Whining and bitching about Hamas all day long, but then being a murderous scumbag that kills thousands of women and children.
Out of all the 'rockets' fired by Palestinians. Only 26 Israelis have been killed. EVER.
From all the 'precision' weaponery that Israel employes. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed. Then we have the non weapons based war, where children are literally jailed, beaten, tortured by Israelis.
Fuck Israhell.
Just now they are stealing more land and plan to build 3000 more settlements.
Same story over and over again, you have to be dumb as fuck to not realize what's really going on. They are the ultimate evil in the region and that's that.
I remember since 97 all the 'settlement expansions'. There is no real 'peace talks' with Israel, they do not want peace. Negotiations are just for fun to ridicule palestinians and buy time. Every single time they kill more, steal more, that's it.
Israel is also the very country that supplied the 'intel' for the invasion of Iraq. No weapons of mass destructon there huh.
People who have been observing the conflict for the last few decades know this.
Israeli politiicans were just talking about 'returning to the table and holding onto oslo accords' WHAT oslo accords? Israel does not follow or obey ANYTHING agreed upon in the Oslo accords.
It's pure evil and pure cynicism at it's finest.
Now that Palestine has been upgraded in the UN, the next step is the ICC. International criminal court. Then Israel will be put in it's place and be judged for the war criminal that it is.
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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2012, 04:50:04 AM » |
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You're ranting but not answering the question.
If a rocket is fired into Israel, it is now considered a legitimate military action, yes? Therefore, Israel can and will retaliate with full military force, correct?
No. The rules of engagement state that any targeting of civilians is prohibited by international law, but then again the same laws also state it is illegal to transfer any of your own civilian population into an occupied area. So Israel really has no regard for what is or isn't "legitimate" The reason Israel are opposed to this is because they have breached countless international laws and if Palestine is officially recognised as a state, there is more chance that Israel can start to be brought to book for it's crimes. |
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« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2012, 07:27:07 AM » |
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Israel is a useless turd who doesn't give a fuck about honor, about dignity, about respect, about life, about holding truces, about agreements, about peace or anything to do with any form of law, international or otherwise.
Israel is full of shit.
Fuck Israhell.
They are the ultimate evil in the region and that's that.
It's pure evil and pure cynicism at it's finest.
1. What are you referring to when you say 'Israel'? Does 'Israel' have a right to exist? 2. The Jordanian military has killed more Palestinians than Israel, yet you don't seem to rail against that organization and/or the government that utilizes it at all. If your primary concern is pointing out crimes against Palestinians, why the discrepancy? 3. Are you as disgusted with the daily butchery being carried out by your fellow Muslims in Syria as you are at Israel's rather limited military actions these past two weeks? If not, why not?
Out of all the 'rockets' fired by Palestinians. Only 26 Israelis have been killed. EVER.
4. Yet thousands of rockets and mortar shells have been fired into Israel, many (but not all) without provocation. Is such attempted killing of Israeli civilians -- men, women, and children -- any less reprehensible because it happens to be less effective? I don't think so, and there certainly isn't a government in the world that will give an attacker a break because that attacker is only mediocre at terrorism.
Anytime the US or israel don't like someone despite them being elected, they want to undermine, demonize, kill, maim, etc... until the people are presured to give up or forced to accept a puppet imposed by US or Israel.
5. I know, it's almost as if states act first and foremost to promote their own interests in the international sphere, including influencing the form and composition of other governments. Weird shit, brah!
Now that Palestine has been upgraded in the UN, the next step is the ICC. International criminal court. Then Israel will be put in it's place and be judged for the war criminal that it is.
6. This isn't a realistic scenario at all. It simply isn't going to happen, whatever your and my opinion of the Israel-Palestine Conflict. You seem susceptible to swapping in your fantasies for accurate descriptions of the world and all that occurs within it, and this is just another example of that tendency. |
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« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2012, 10:55:37 AM » |
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« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2012, 11:12:54 AM » |
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Lol @ suing Israel. Yeah, im sure that's gonna make a difference. Lol. |
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« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2012, 12:55:19 PM » |
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I love how people never address specific points or counter arguments, but instead just paste a bunch of pics, articles, or vids. Then later on they spew out a bunch of other crap else where doing the same thing.
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« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2012, 02:13:40 PM » |
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« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2012, 02:28:06 PM » |
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F'n satan incarnate in human skin, the news lady rips him a new one and so well... so nice to see non censored media speaking the truth: |
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« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2012, 06:14:59 PM » |
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I love how people never address specific points or counter arguments, but instead just paste a bunch of pics, articles, or vids. Then later on they spew out a bunch of other crap else where doing the same thing.
It's unfortunate, but understandable all the same. The fact is, engaging in a legitimate discussion with someone -- identifying their main points, figuring out their reasoning, and formulating a response -- is a cognitively intense activity. Not too many people are on here other than for low-grade dopamine surges, i.e., a bit of entertainment. They certainly don't want a mental workout. So, better to avoid all that difficult "thinking" stuff and instead post videos and emotional diatribes rather than actual arguments that are susceptible to criticism. |
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« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2012, 06:32:45 AM » |
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1. What are you referring to when you say 'Israel'? Does 'Israel' have a right to exist?
2. The Jordanian military has killed more Palestinians than Israel, yet you don't seem to rail against that organization and/or the government that utilizes it at all. If your primary concern is pointing out crimes against Palestinians, why the discrepancy?
What does this have to do with anything? The discussion is about Israel/Palestine. And at present Israel is the only nation occupying Palestine, no other nation lays claim to any Palestinian land.
3. Are you as disgusted with the daily butchery being carried out by your fellow Muslims in Syria as you are at Israel's rather limited military actions these past two weeks? If not, why not?
I would imagine most people would be disgusted by innocent people dying anywhere, but again what does this have to do with what Israel is doing in Palestine?
I've noticed it's a common tactic for Israel supporters to try and bring up how badly Palestinians have been treated by others or other conflicts as if this is somehow justification for Israel's current subjugation of Palestine
4. Yet thousands of rockets and mortar shells have been fired into Israel, many (but not all) without provocation. Is such attempted killing of Israeli civilians -- men, women, and children -- any less reprehensible because it happens to be less effective? I don't think so, and there certainly isn't a government in the world that will give an attacker a break because that attacker is only mediocre at terrorism.
Without provocation? Well there is the small matter of the 500,000 million Israeli civilians that Israel has transferred outside of it's internationally recognised borders into the occupied regions and the small matter of the people that have been run out of their homes to accommodate this.
Oh and there isn't a government in the world that recognises Israel's right to build settlements in any part of the occupied territories.
And then there is the horrendous living conditions and daily violations of human rights that Israel forces the Palestinians to endure, that has attracted countless UN condemnations.
No provocation? Really?
5. I know, it's almost as if states act first and foremost to promote their own interests in the international sphere, including influencing the form and composition of other governments. Weird shit, brah!
6. This isn't a realistic scenario at all. It simply isn't going to happen, whatever your and my opinion of the Israel-Palestine Conflict. You seem susceptible to swapping in your fantasies for accurate descriptions of the world and all that occurs within it, and this is just another example of that tendency.
7. If you ever go there (I recommend Jaffa in Tel Aviv), you will see Arab and Jew live side-by-side amicably. I understand that it is cheaper to rely on overly emotional propaganda from the internet that confirms your preconceived notions, but I think you might be smart enough (though I wouldn't bet on it) to realize that this is no substitute for genuine data and on-the-ground experience.
That is good that you have witnessed Arabs and Jews living together in peace, shows it is possible. I don't think anyone(well definitely not neutrals anyway) has a problem with Jews per se. it is simply the actions of the Israeli government that most right minded people find abhorrent, and I think there is a growing number of Israeli Jews that are also appalled at what it is being done in their name in Palestine.
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« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2012, 07:38:01 PM » |
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Israeli desperation. Because the TRUTH cannot lose to lies... they spend BILLIONS to cover the truth... and to spread their bs pro-israhelli propaganda. They PAY soldiers, PAY israhellis to TROLL the internet, chat rooms, forums, youtube, websites, even wikipedia WOW: “The goal of the day is to teach people how to edit Wikipedia which is the number one source of information today in the WORLD “.
“We want to be there. We want to be the guys who influence what is written, how it is written and insure that is balanced and ZIONIST in nature”. Desperate losers. |
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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2012, 08:13:41 PM » |
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Now that Palestine has been upgraded in the UN, the next step is the ICC. International criminal court. Then Israel will be put in it's place and be judged for the war criminal that it is. Well, first of all, considering how Israel is not a state party in the ICC, I don't see what jurisdiction the ICC has over Israel to begin with. But let's assume that they somehow, magically, get jurisdiction. Pray tell, what exactly can the ICC do and how would a decision by the ICC against Israel be enforced? P.S.: Don't conflate this post with support for Israel. I'm just trying to understand what you think the ICC can do in this instance. |
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« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2012, 10:20:55 AM » |
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« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2012, 11:29:28 AM » |
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Israel >>>>>>>>>> You and the entire shitty Islamic world. How sad, to have tens of millions condemned to a life of ignorance, ineptitude, poverty, and despair. Anyway...............Enj oy!  Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people) Literature 1988 - Najib Mahfooz Peace 1978 - Anwar El-Sadat 1994 - Yasser Arafat * 2003 - Shirin Ebadi Chemistry 1999 - Ahmed Zewail Physics Abdus Salam Jewish Nobel Prize Winners From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people) Literature 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer 2002 - Imre Kertesz World Peace 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin 1995 - Joseph Rotblat Chemistry 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1972 - William Howard Stein 1972 - C.B. Anfinsen 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Ronald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1989 - Sidney Altman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1998 - Walter Kohn 2000 - Alan J. Heeger 2004 - Irwin Rose 2004 - Avram Hershko 2004 - Aaron Ciechanover Economics 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1973 - Wassily Leontief 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Rober Fogel 1994 - John Harsanyi 1994 - Reinhard Selten 1997 - Robert Merton 1997 - Myron Scholes 2001 - George Akerlof 2001 - Joseph Stiglitz 2002 - Daniel Kahneman 2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann Medicine 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - David Baltimore 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow 1977 - Andrew V. Schally 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1994 - Martin Rodbell 1995 - Edward B. Lewis 1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner 1998 - Robert F. Furchgott 2000 - Eric R. Kandel 2002 - Sydney Brenner 2002 - Robert H. Horvitz Physics 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1945 - Wolfgang Pauli 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich 1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1963 - Eugene P. Wigner 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - Leon N. Cooper 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Georges Charpak 1995 - Martin Perl 1995 - Frederick Reines 1996 - David M. Lee 1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff 1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji 2000 - Zhores I. Alferov 2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg 2003 - Alexei Abrikosov After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side. |
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« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2012, 12:44:38 PM » |
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Well, first of all, considering how Israel is not a state party in the ICC, I don't see what jurisdiction the ICC has over Israel to begin with. But let's assume that they somehow, magically, get jurisdiction. Pray tell, what exactly can the ICC do and how would a decision by the ICC against Israel be enforced?
P.S.: Don't conflate this post with support for Israel. I'm just trying to understand what you think the ICC can do in this instance.
Israel does not have to be a state party of the ICC for Israeli individuals to be investigated/pursued by the court, anything occurring on a state party's territory falls under ICC jurisdiction. So if the UN upgrade enables Palestine to become an ICC state party this would allow them to refer to the court any Israeli individuals responsible for the crimes committed in the occupied territories. " The ICC, as it’s known, is on record as inclined to regard Israel’s more than 100 residential settlements on the West Bank as a crime of war. (The Jewish state pulled its settlers and soldiers out of Gaza in 2005 and argues that it no longer qualifies as its “occupier” under international law. Critics argue otherwise.) The physical presence of the settlements in other words would give Palestine a ready-made case to drag Israel before the court — or to threaten dragging it before the court" Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/11/29/why-palestine-will-win-big-at-the-un/#ixzz2E1EGQXgLOf course even if the ICC did investigate and indict Israeli individuals for their pretty much indisputable crimes, there's no way Israel would hand over those individuals and they would be supported by the US. But it would go a step further to helping people in the west wake up the fact that Israel is guilty of war crimes for what it is doing in Palestine and the state of Israel would be seen to be harbouring war criminals. |
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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2012, 01:37:03 PM » |
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Israel does not have to be a state party of the ICC for Israeli individuals to be investigated/pursued by the court, anything occurring on a state party's territory falls under ICC jurisdiction.
So if the UN upgrade enables Palestine to become an ICC state party this would allow them to refer to the court any Israeli individuals responsible for the crimes committed in the occupied territories. Even if something occurs on the territory of a state that's party to the treaty, the Court cannot compel another non-party State to attend proceedings. You could argue that the Court would try such cases in absentia, but even that wouldn't help. After all, what exactly can the ICC do to Israel? Nothing. The ICC has no enforcement mechanism. At best it can give Israel a stern talking to; one that Israel will completely ignore. " The ICC, as it’s known, is on record as inclined to regard Israel’s more than 100 residential settlements on the West Bank as a crime of war. (The Jewish state pulled its settlers and soldiers out of Gaza in 2005 and argues that it no longer qualifies as its “occupier” under international law. Critics argue otherwise.) The physical presence of the settlements in other words would give Palestine a ready-made case to drag Israel before the court — or to threaten dragging it before the court" Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/11/29/why-palestine-will-win-big-at-the-un/#ixzz2E1EGQXgLOf course even if the ICC did investigate and indict Israeli individuals for their pretty much indisputable crimes, there's no way Israel would hand over those individuals and they would be supported by the US. But it would go a step further to helping people in the west wake up the fact that Israel is guilty of war crimes for what it is doing in Palestine and the state of Israel would be seen to be harbouring war criminals. Even if everything above is true and even if Israel is guilty of such war crimes any ICC proceedings would hardly wake anyone up. People are inclined to believe what they believe, and even an utterly perfect decision from the ICC that was completely rational and substantiated wouldn't do much to change people's opinions. To be clear, I don't think that Israel is pure and untainted. War is a messy, bloody business - not clean or neat. And they could have certainly dealt with the whole situation differently. But, frankly, from where I stand that applies to both sides. |
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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2012, 01:54:53 PM » |
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Even if something occurs on the territory of a state that's party to the treaty, the Court cannot compel another non-party State to attend proceedings. You could argue that the Court would try such cases in absentia, but even that wouldn't help. After all, what exactly can the ICC do to Israel? Nothing. The ICC has no enforcement mechanism. At best it can give Israel a stern talking to; one that Israel will completely ignore.
The ICC can only go after individuals not states, so Israel(the state) would not be asked to attend any hearing. But as I explained in previous post, if the court believes a crime has been committed on a party state territory it will issue arrest warrants for the individuals deemed responsible for that crime, regardless of if those individuals are nationals of an non party state.
As I said I can so no way that Israel would turn over any such fugitives, but it really would not do Israel's world image much good to have what would be leading figures of past and present Israeli governments indicted as war criminals by the International Criminal Court.
Even if everything above is true and even if Israel is guilty of such war crimes any ICC proceedings would hardly wake anyone up. People are inclined to believe what they believe, and even an utterly perfect decision from the ICC that was completely rational and substantiated wouldn't do much to change people's opinions.
To be clear, I don't think that Israel is pure and untainted. War is a messy, bloody business - not clean or neat. And they could have certainly dealt with the whole situation differently. But, frankly, from where I stand that applies to both sides.
I don't agree with this. I think the majority of people in the west really have little idea of what is really going in Palestine and something like Israel being investigated for war crimes and arrest warrants being issued would really be an eye opener for many. |
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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2012, 04:05:34 PM » |
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Obama and Henry Kissinger won the peace prize. It's meaningless shit. The nobel prizes are meaningless, they are indeed very politicized. In Iran there were a few scientific break throughs in the last 2-3 years. They are a really progressive nation. Some examples in stem cell research, some examples in nano technology, etc... firsts, yet they did not get any prize of any kind. These prizes over all are meaningless especially when they are controlled by a certain group of people. Henry Kissinger a peace prize? OBAMA a peace prize before he did SHIT, he started FIVE MORE wars and wants to start MORE wars... peace prize LMAO... You get the idea. |
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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2012, 04:07:39 PM » |
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I don't agree with this. I think the majority of people in the west really have little idea of what is really going in Palestine and something like Israel being investigated for war crimes and arrest warrants being issued would really be an eye opener for many.
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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2012, 07:46:19 PM » |
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Obama and Henry Kissinger won the peace prize. It's meaningless shit. The nobel prizes are meaningless, they are indeed very politicized. In Iran there were a few scientific break throughs in the last 2-3 years. They are a really progressive nation. Some examples in stem cell research, some examples in nano technology, etc... firsts, yet they did not get any prize of any kind. And in North Korea they "discovered" the lair of unicorns (conveniently labeled as "Lair of Unicorns") per http://news.yahoo.com/real-story-north-koreas-unicorn-lair-235304830.html. Can we see references to these scientific breakthroughs? Have any papers on them been published in peer-reviewed journals? Even if these are real breakthroughs, it will take a while: even Einstein didn't get his Nobel prize until more than 15 years had passed. He published his paper on the photoelectric effect in 1905 (along with 3 other seminal papers that reshaped physics) and didn't get awarded a Nobel prize until 1921. Any breakthroughs by Iranians are unlikely to compare to Einstein's work. And if Einstein had to wait 16 years, surely they can wait a little longer than a mere 3... |
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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2012, 09:44:54 PM » |
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And in North Korea they "discovered" the lair of unicorns (conveniently labeled as "Lair of Unicorns") per http://news.yahoo.com/real-story-north-koreas-unicorn-lair-235304830.html. Can we see references to these scientific breakthroughs? Have any papers on them been published in peer-reviewed journals? Even if these are real breakthroughs, it will take a while: even Einstein didn't get his Nobel prize until more than 15 years had passed. He published his paper on the photoelectric effect in 1905 (along with 3 other seminal papers that reshaped physics) and didn't get awarded a Nobel prize until 1921. Any breakthroughs by Iranians are unlikely to compare to Einstein's work. And if Einstein had to wait 16 years, surely they can wait a little longer than a mere 3... It's science! |
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« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2012, 03:42:49 AM » |
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yeah, probably very true.
I think it's definitely true. Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
ARTICLE 49Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.So as Israeli settlements obviously equate to the transfer of the occupying Power's civilian population into occupied territories , according to the Geneva Conventions those settlements represent a war crime. But how many people in the west are aware of that? Mainstream media never mentions Israel's breaches of the Geneva Conventions or the 60 odd UN resolutions condemning it's actions... Most poeple don't bother looking under the surface and just take what they are told by the media at face value. |
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« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2012, 04:05:14 AM » |
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Before the zionist occupation a 100 years ago their were a state to begin with.
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« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2012, 11:15:27 AM » |
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« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2012, 11:22:41 AM » |
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