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« on: December 05, 2012, 06:22:08 PM »

Republicans control the Governor, both houses of the legislature.  This is the type of trash you will get.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/students-who-go-after-teachers-online-could-face-jail-under-new-north-carolina/

Jail time could await North Carolina students who go after teachers online

By Perry Chiaramonte, Joshua Rhett Miller

Published December 05, 2012

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    Even telling the truth about a teacher online could land North Carolina students in jail. (AP)

North Carolina students who go after their teachers online could face jail time -- and truth won't even be a defense, under a new law that critics say infringes on free speech rights.

The law, called the School Violence Prevention Act, is aimed at students who torment their teachers by creating fake online profiles, posting personal information or images, signing them up to pornographic sites or make any statement, "whether true or false" that's intended to "immediately provoke" anyone to "stalk or harass a school employee."

"It became apparent that we had to get some kind of protection," said Judy Kidd, of the Classroom Teachers Association of North Carolina, which sought the legislation.

But critics of the law, which took effect Dec. 1 and makes such actions a Class 2 misdemeanor equal to simple assault or resisting arrest, say it is vague, overly harsh and unconstitutional. The ACLU of North Carolina said “criminalizing student speech is a slippery slope and establishes a bad precedent.”

“This law is so vague that it could easily result in a student being arrested simply for posting something on the Internet that a school official finds offensive,” ACLU-NC Policy Director Sarah Preston said.

Preston said one of the more troubling aspects of the law is that a student could go to jail for up to 60 days for posting something truthful on the Internet.

“Young people should not be taught that they will be punished for telling the truth, speaking freely, or questioning authority – yet that is exactly what could happen under this law.

    'Basically the state is making it illegal to make a truthful statement.'

- Hans Von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow, the Heritage Foundation

Hans Von Spakovsky, a senior legal fellow with the Heritage Foundation, agreed that the state is on shaky ground when it claims the right to punish a citizen who makes a true statement about a teacher, given that truth is a traditional defense against slander and defamation.

“Basically the state is making it illegal to make a truthful statement, and that is such a violation of the First Amendment,” Von Spakovsky said. “This will have a chilling effect.”

Preston cited several scenarios where a student could seemingly run afoul of the law by engaging in relatively innocuous behavior. For instance, a student might post on social media websites an objection to a decision by school administrators, claim on an online bulletin board that they are “tired” of a particular teacher or even post a complaint about an offensive comment made by an instructor. And what might happen to a student who accurately exposes a teacher online for having an inappropriate relationship with an underage student? Preston wondered.

“We think that the punishment is disproportionate to the action,” Preston said. “If it’s OK for the government to criminalize a student’s speech, then what’s to stop them from criminalizing what someone might say about a government official?”

Neal McCluskey, an educational analyst with The Cato Institute, said the problem North Carolina is seeking to address is real, but that the remedy may be even worse.

“This isn’t clear cut," McCluskey said. "There are arguments for both sides. The schools have to be able to keep order, but it’s extremely troubling that North Carolina would enact a law like this. This is dangerous because it criminalizes free speech.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/students-who-go-after-teachers-online-could-face-jail-under-new-north-carolina/#ixzz2EAAzU6GM
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2012, 07:25:09 PM »

Ok Benny.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2012, 07:26:04 PM »

That's defamation and its punished by law. Wether it's on the internet or "in real life" it's still defamation. True anus getting dumber by the day it seems.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2012, 07:26:22 PM »

Ok Benny.
I take it you support such bullshit.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2012, 07:27:09 PM »

That's defamation and its punished by law. Wether it's on the internet or "in real life" it's still defamation. True anus getting dumber by the day it seems.
Wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2012, 07:28:19 PM »

I take it you support such bullshit.
I don't. That is bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Its one thing for an employer to fire you for talking shit on a social medium, it's quite another to jail people for expressing their opinions.
Somewhere, the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2012, 07:28:52 PM »

That's defamation and its punished by law. Wether it's on the internet or "in real life" it's still defamation. True anus getting dumber by the day it seems.


(or make any statement, "whether true or false" that's intended to "immediately provoke" anyone to "stalk or harass a school employee.")
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2012, 07:29:57 PM »

I don't. That is bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Its one thing for an employer to fire you for talking shit on a social medium, it's quiet to jail people for expressing their opinions.
Somewhere, the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.
Exactly.  The law states that even if the information they provide and use is true, they are guilty.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »

SCOTUS will toss that, if the brief description of the law TA posted is correct. Definitely both overly broad and vague, and it doesn't come close to meeting the standards for allowable "prior restraint" on speech.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 07:42:26 PM »

SCOTUS will toss that, if the brief description of the law TA posted is correct. Definitely both overly broad and vague, and it doesn't come close to meeting the standards for allowable "prior restraint" on speech.

(2) Make any statement, whether true or false, intending to immediately
provoke, and that is likely to provoke, any third party to stalk or harass a
school employee.
(3) Copy and disseminate, or cause to be made, an unauthorized copy of any
data pertaining to a school employee for the purpose of intimidating or
tormenting that school employee (in any form, including, but not limited to,
any printed or electronic form of computer data, computer programs, or
computer software residing in, communicated by, or produced by a computer
or computer network).
(4) Sign up a school employee for a pornographic Internet site with the intent to
intimidate or torment the employee.
(5) Without authorization of the school employee, sign up a school employee for
electronic mailing lists or to receive junk electronic messages and instant
messages, with the intent to intimidate or torment the school employee.
Senate Bill 707 Session Law 2012-149 Page 3
(c) Any student who violates this section is guilty of cyber-bullying a school employee, which offense is punishable as a Class 2 misdemeanor.


http://www.digtriad.com/assetpool/documents/121128125335_2012%20School%20Violence%20New%20Law.pdf
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2012, 07:45:17 PM »

solution: end government paid school and replace it with nothing.

Then private school can boot the student.

In USA you are free to be as cool and as poor as you wana be!
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2012, 07:50:21 PM »

solution: end government paid school and replace it with nothing.

Then private school can boot the student.

In USA you are free to be as cool and as poor as you wana be!
Is this your explanation for being poor- "I`m exercising my freedom" ?
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2012, 07:55:57 PM »

I'm sure the teachers union (Democrats) back this.

Sorry TA.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 07:59:07 PM »

I'm sure the teachers union (Democrats) back this.

Sorry TA.
I don`t support them, and neither does Obama.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 08:37:47 PM »

we had a "zero tolerance" policy at my highschool it really sucked, all the black kids could get away with shit while the white ones were heavily punished for nothing
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2012, 08:40:58 PM »

Is this your explanation for being poor- "I`m exercising my freedom" ?

What do you mean?  I am doing quite well... I live 200 yards from sand in southern california's 1st or second spring break area....

6 fig net worth etc...

Why get outa bed if you dont get more than next guy?  is question you should be answering
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2012, 08:45:12 PM »

i think school is good at a young age till you learn how to read, you should only be required from theron to go to school 1 straight week a month till senior year thats fair and balanced, not forcing shit on a kid all day inside , sittting down like prisoners
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2012, 08:48:51 PM »

i think school is good at a young age till you learn how to read, you should only be required from theron to go to school 1 straight week a month till senior year thats fair and balanced, not forcing shit on a kid all day inside , sittting down like prisoners

I think even better is pay kids to get A on whatever subject, and pay comes from corp whos hiring.

End rest of governmetn payments to govenment schools which overall do more damage than good.

You then have no morons like rachel madcow runnign around with basket weaving degree thinking they are smart or porductive.

reality hit people like wall

for a given job simple test: would it exist without taxpayer being forced to fund it

if techer thinks they are value, then they can sell thier teaching to thier peers
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2012, 08:53:08 PM »

I think even better is pay kids to get A on whatever subject, and pay comes from corp whos hiring.

End rest of governmetn payments to govenment schools which overall do more damage than good.

You then have no morons like rachel madcow runnign around with basket weaving degree thinking they are smart or porductive.

reality hit people like wall

for a given job simple test: would it exist without taxpayer being forced to fund it

if techer thinks they are value, then they can sell thier teaching to thier peers
that would be the obvious best choice, let the kids do there own learning aswell from the texts, they dont need school buildings either.

but america isnt in the buisness of making kids smarter. they like to put kids through hell.

Its easy to forget my school kid days but damn when i looked back that was the worst days of my life. I consider myself smart , and in that type of social set up is the worst. But for kids with trailer park parents it was a free for all for them in school, best times of there lives
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2012, 10:11:18 PM »

Here's a very important question, does this new "law" apply to students who are 18? I'm betting no.
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2012, 10:26:29 PM »

We don't need no education.
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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2012, 11:09:19 PM »

Here's a very important question, does this new "law" apply to students who are 18? I'm betting no.
It certainly does.  There is no age stipulation in the law- I posted the entire thing.  Furthermore, in NC, juvenile court ends at age 15 and 16 is the age where one will face regular court.  They wouldn`t be charging 15 year olds with misdemeanors as this is directed towards 16 and older.  College Students also apply.
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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2012, 11:11:18 PM »

that would be the obvious best choice, let the kids do there own learning aswell from the texts, they dont need school buildings either.

but america isnt in the buisness of making kids smarter. they like to put kids through hell.

Its easy to forget my school kid days but damn when i looked back that was the worst days of my life. I consider myself smart , and in that type of social set up is the worst. But for kids with trailer park parents it was a free for all for them in school, best times of there lives

One idea would be to let kids choose the classes they want to take.

Another is not pass class until you get 100% of the final, up to kid how long she wants to take.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2012, 11:12:55 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2012, 11:12:58 PM »

It certainly does.  There is no age stipulation in the law- I posted the entire thing.  Furthermore, in NC, juvenile court ends at age 15 and 16 is the age where one will face regular court.  They wouldn`t be charging 15 year olds with misdemeanors as this is directed towards 16 and older.  College Students also apply.

Wouldn't the harassment laws already cover this?  What is the problem the law is trying to fix?  Student stalking and posting pics of teachers? hmmm

I am for freedom of speech.  I am not sure how harassment is handled now legally.
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