Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?

[arce1988]

  The Pats D has always worried me    even today    Tom puts up 40+ points and I am shitting razor blades as the Texans get close enough to tie it

[tu_holmes]

Wrong on that one Holmes.  Brady has had to bail out/outscore most of his opponents for most of the last 6 years. Brady led his team to 4th quarter leads in both the '07 and '11 superbowls.  Brady can't play defense.

I don't disagree... Brady doesn't play defense, but often his defense is much better than what Manning has had around him.

That's a fact.

He's blown leads too you know... thrown the bad pick... It happens to everyone. To say that Brady inherently is just better than Manning I find silly.

They are both amazing and either one on a team is going to win games... period. Which one is better is always going to be a subject for debate which I don't think anyone can definitively determine.

[WOOO]

I'm a casual watcher of the NFL, and I watch college football on occasion. I know all Getbaggers are former NFLers who run 4.1 and benched 800 at the combine. So I was wondering if you bastions of football knowledge agree or disagree that Tom Brady might be the greatest NFL player ever.

What does Getbig think?

i'll go with a solid maybe & almost on that one

[arce1988]

 I only ran a 4.9


 but I will give Tom my vote if he wins this SB

[Bevo]

I don't disagree... Brady doesn't play defense, but often his defense is much better than what Manning has had around him.

That's a fact.

He's blown leads too you know... thrown the bad pick... It happens to everyone. To say that Brady inherently is just better than Manning I find silly.

They are both amazing and either one on a team is going to win games... period. Which one is better is always going to be a subject for debate which I don't think anyone can definitively determine.

Yeah u can brady has more post season wins, SB titles, most td's a season, one of the highest if not highest QB ratings. I agree both are good but Brady is better

[tu_holmes]

Yeah u can brady has more post season wins, SB titles, most td's a season, one of the highest if not highest QB ratings. I agree both are good but Brady is better

You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?

The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?

Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.

[240 is Back]

it's a nice perfect storm of coach, support, good picks, and smart QBing by Brady.

But yes, you put Manning in that city and they have 2 more rings.

[King Shizzo]

You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?

The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?

Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.

The same Colts team that Luck lead to 11 wins.

[tu_holmes]

The same Colts team that Luck lead to 11 wins.

This is true... Luck is very very good though. That's why he went number 1.

[Bevo]

You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?

The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?

Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.

Here we go again..... "Ifs" I don't go by that not in life either go by what they or he can do RIGHT NOW"

Cassell was a pro bowler.... Chiefs are garbage on many levels

We don't live by "ifs"

[Shockwave]

Well, I'm pulling for the Pats in the SB. Fuck seeing Jim Harbough win it.

[tu_holmes]

Here we go again..... "Ifs" I don't go by that not in life either go by what they or he can do RIGHT NOW"

Cassell was a pro bowler.... Chiefs are garbage on many levels

We don't live by "ifs"

Ok, so you don't want what ifs... alright.

Manning has something like 15000 more yards... missed a full season just like Brady. Has a QB rating for his lifetime that's literally 1 point less even though he's had to throw 1400 times more in his career.

So ok... What you got that says Brady is so great? He's on a great team every year?

Has the best coach in the NFL for 12 years?

[Bevo]

Sure, the game where the guy had already had 3 TDs and thrown for ridiculous yardage... How many times has Brady come up short when the game is on the line?

Plenty.

The difference is that Brady's team doesn't often put him in that position.

What? All 3 sb's he had to come from behind win all with only a field goal. Against Kurt Warner and the rams who at that time was the heavy fav with the most pts on offense...

Yes everyone makes mistakes but at the most crucial moments Brady made the least, he put his team in position to win

Like I said I'll pick Eli over Peyton if its crunch time much more impressive!!

Eli

10-6 SB win
9-7 SB win

Both times wild card beating teams like falcons, San Fran , and Green Bay twice in lombeau field

[Bevo]

Ok, so you don't want what ifs... alright.

Manning has something like 15000 more yards... missed a full season just like Brady. Has a QB rating for his lifetime that's literally 1 point less even though he's had to throw 1400 times more in his career.

So ok... What you got that says Brady is so great? He's on a great team every year?

Has the best coach in the NFL for 12 years?

Brady started in 01 Peyton in 98....

Brady did more with less, no one even remembers their receivers or even rbs lol



17 post season wins, 5 SB appearances maybe 6, 3 SB wins, most td pasts season, one of the youngest or youngest to win it

That's all that matters!!

When he finishes chances are Peyton won't be even in the discussion

And when Brady and Peyton met, who had that better end??? Hmmmm

Enough said.

FUCK PEYTON

[Palpatine Q]

Ok, so you don't want what ifs... alright.

Manning has something like 15000 more yards... missed a full season just like Brady. Has a QB rating for his lifetime that's literally 1 point less even though he's had to throw 1400 times more in his career.

So ok... What you got that says Brady is so great? He's on a great team every year?

Has the best coach in the NFL for 12 years?

What makes him better is his team scored 40 points and crushed their opponent this weekend, and Manning threw a killer interception and his team is going home.

This has been the story of these two QBs ...for the most part, for the last decade plus.

Greatness isn't just stats, it's making THE play when there is testicle crushing pressure.  some guys have it, some guys don't

I would like to smash his head in with a brick too...but he's fucking great..plain and simple

[tu_holmes]

17 post season wins, 5 SB appearances maybe 6, 3 SB wins, most td pasts season, one of the youngest or youngest to win it

That's all that matters!!

When he finishes chances are Peyton won't be even in the discussion

And when Brady and Peyton met, who had that better end??? Hmmmm

Enough said.

FUCK PEYTON

Someone is a die hard NE fan... But it's cool.

Nice to see you care so much about them, but I don't see how you can make the statements you make. It's like when Bronco's fans talk about how great Elway is when he didn't get anything done before he had a star RB and on no level is equal to Montana.

Look dude, I'm not saying Brady isn't great... Obviously he is, but to act like he's SOOOO much better than Peyton and that Peyton isn't in the discussion is just disingenuous on so many levels.

Both of them are future HOF QBs... period. Peyton may very well end up being the only QB in history to win a Superbowl with 2 different teams and you know that's a real possibility.

Sure, Brady is fantastic... but Peyton Manning is equally as good and for you to say otherwise is just silly.

If the post season is what counts, then Eli Manning > Tom Brady.... 2-0 vs Brady in the post season right?

[Bevo]

Someone is a die hard NE fan... But it's cool.

Nice to see you care so much about them, but I don't see how you can make the statements you make. It's like when Bronco's fans talk about how great Elway is when he didn't get anything done before he had a star RB and on no level is equal to Montana.

Look dude, I'm not saying Brady isn't great... Obviously he is, but to act like he's SOOOO much better than Peyton and that Peyton isn't in the discussion is just disingenuous on so many levels.

Both of them are future HOF QBs... period. Peyton may very well end up being the only QB in history to win a Superbowl with 2 different teams and you know that's a real possibility.

Sure, Brady is fantastic... but Peyton Manning is equally as good and for you to say otherwise is just silly.

If the post season is what counts, then Eli Manning > Tom Brady.... 2-0 vs Brady in the post season right?

  I'm actually a San Fran fan from cali originally but I like watching good football and Brady and both Mannings are fun to watch just that crunch time more than once Peyton will piss you off!!

U are correct about Eli so far vs Brady but thing is both didn't choke when they played each other 

[Earl1972]

You can say that if Manning had Bellicheck and played in NE that it wouldn't be the same?

The same NE teams that Matt Cassel had 11 wins with?

Come on... You can't say that with any certainty.

why do people always bring up cassel's 11 wins?

do you all forget that aside from brady, it was the same team was good enough to win 18 straight and would've won 19 if not for a receiver catching the ball with his helmet?

i'd say losing 5 games without brady was a major drop off

compare peyton's receivers throughout his career to brady's, peyton's receivers are going to the hall of fame, brady won super bowls with jobbers



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[tu_holmes]

I'm actually a San Fran fan from cali originally but I like watching good football and Brady and both Mannings are fun to watch just that crunch time more than once Peyton will piss you off!!

U are correct about Eli so far vs Brady but thing is both didn't choke when they played each other 

They are both great to watch... It's great football. You're right.

No disagreement that somehow Peyton has had to deal with that bad ball more... Is it all on him though? I can't say that.

When you are forced and forced and forced to throw, that shit is gonna happen.

I will agree that Eli has been way clutch, but we also have to admit that sometimes the football gods just shine up his ass... His receivers have pulled down some shit when it counted.

As far as yesterday though, I just don't think that Denver should have been in the position where manning had to throw and throw and throw... Denver's defense should have been able to stop Joe Flacco... come on... FLACCO!!!

[Bevo]

What makes him better is his team scored 40 points and crushed their opponent this weekend, and Manning threw a killer interception and his team is going home.

This has been the story of these two QBs ...for the most part, for the last decade plus.

Greatness isn't just stats, it's making THE play when there is testicle crushing pressure.  some guys have it, some guys don't

I would like to smash his head in with a brick too...but he's fucking great..plain and simple

Yep, it's like Eli doesn't have great stats but when 4th quarter comes a long and u need to win he most likely will deliver.. Just not this season  

Clutch QB's!!!

Romo has great stats but has choked at all games when it was on the line and mattered for example

[Grape Ape]

Never been a Brady hater.  In fact, as a Giants fan, I defend him much more than I'd like to.

But, it can't be denied that Pats continually play in a shitty division, so thier path is going to be easier, and they haven't won in almost a decade, and haven't won since they got busted taping the other teams' plays. No matter what caveats NE fans throw in, those are facts and they are what they are.

Brady may not have had the best receivers, but he has more time to throw the ball than any QB I've ever seen, and is pretty pedestrian when hassled.  

He's awesome, top 5 QB of all time for sure, but I'm not going to lose any sleep as to whether Manning (either), Montana, Elway, or some other fucking old quarterback that I never saw play is better.  They're all awesome.

[Bevo]

They are both great to watch... It's great football. You're right.

No disagreement that somehow Peyton has had to deal with that bad ball more... Is it all on him though? I can't say that.

When you are forced and forced and forced to throw, that shit is gonna happen.

I will agree that Eli has been way clutch, but we also have to admit that sometimes the football gods just shine up his ass... His receivers have pulled down some shit when it counted.

As far as yesterday though, I just don't think that Denver should have been in the position where manning had to throw and throw and throw... Denver's defense should have been able to stop Joe Flacco... come on... FLACCO!!!

Believe me I wanted pats to win both of those sb's and freakin Eli, yes a little luck but he lead his team and the stars were align  

Flacco actually impressed me..... Yes it's fucking flacco too!!!

[Palpatine Q]

Yep, it's like Eli doesn't have great stats but when 4th quarter comes a long and u need to win he most likely will deliver.. Just not this season  

Clutch QB's!!!

Romo has great stats but has choked at all games when it was on the line and mattered for example

If i was the Cowboys i would have dumped Romo 4 years ago. he will never win a Super Bowl,,,you can write that in stone.

Eli is a cool customer, and he is fucking deadly. he's that "awww shucks" guy that everyone thinks they are cooler than, but he gets the last laugh.... and has 11 inch cock and fucked your girl.  

[tu_holmes]

If i was the Cowboys i would have dumped Romo 4 years ago. he will never win a Super Bowl,,,you can write that in stone.

Eli is a cool customer, and he is fucking deadly. he's that "awww shucks" guy that everyone thinks they are cooler than, but he gets the last laugh.... and has 11 inch cock and fucked your girl gay cousin. 

Fixed.

[Palpatine Q]

Never been a Brady hater.  In fact, as a Giants fan, I defend him much more than I'd like to.

But, it can't be denied that Pats continually play in a shitty division, so thier path is going to be easier, and they haven't won in almost a decade, and haven't won since they got busted taping the other teams' plays. No matter what caveats NE fans throw in, those are facts and they are what they are.

Brady may not have had the best receivers, but he has more time to throw the ball than any QB I've ever seen, and is pretty pedestrian when hassled.  

He's awesome, top 5 QB of all time for sure, but I'm not going to lose any sleep as to whether Manning (either), Montana, Elway, or some other fucking old quarterback that I never saw play is better.  They're all awesome.

.this.  and it's just as much as a product of NE's system as anything else. I've said this before...I've never see someone as much as i see Brady, standing tall and hitting a WIDE OPEN receiver in stride that gets 40 yards on a ball that traveled 11 yards through the air. it's uncanny. And it's a "perfect storm" like someone else said..perfect QB for The perfect Coach in the perfect system.  if Manning is the QB i personally think he butts heads with coaches and the results aren't the same, ,and i'll say it now...he will never see another Super Bowl, this year was his best chance and HE blew it