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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #550 on: December 15, 2012, 06:19:05 AM »
Someone is breaking in your house and the nearest Law Enforcement officer is 20 miles away if he is not already on a call.  What are you supposed to do?   ???

You cower in the corner and hope for the best. I don't mind people who don't want to own a gun , but to say I can't , seriously

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #551 on: December 15, 2012, 06:21:06 AM »
So the gun industry is to blame for the acts of lunatics?  ???
Ouch. That step must have hurt. 

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #552 on: December 15, 2012, 06:21:24 AM »
Sing kumbaya.
These people calling for extreme gun control have no idea what that would be like as most live on top of each other in cities.  When the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away, relying on them to stop a perpetrator is just insane.  The majority of towns and cities in the United States are in rural areas and this requires that they are able to protect themselves since Law Enforcement is not going to be able to do so.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #553 on: December 15, 2012, 06:22:13 AM »
Key word when YOU point it at somebody and pull the trigger and depending on the state of the firearm it rangers from nothing happening when I pull the trigger and a projectile existing the barrel all contingent on human desire

Again my guns never killed anyone , wanna keep blaming the object instead of the person using it?
So we live in a world were most folks don't have enough self control to not eat a twinkie yet were suppose to have some magical ability with firearms.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #554 on: December 15, 2012, 06:23:20 AM »
These people calling for extreme gun control have no idea what that would be like as most live on top of each other in cities.  When the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away, relying on them to stop a perpetrator is just insane.  The majority of towns and cities in the United States are in rural areas and this requires that they are able to protect themselves since Law Enforcement is not going to be able to do so.

More ghetto savages die every weekend across USA and these pansies say nothing at all.   Guess why?

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #555 on: December 15, 2012, 06:24:03 AM »
So we live in a world were most folks don't have enough self control to not eat a twinkie yet were suppose to have some magical ability with firearms.

Ban guns.

Legalize drugs.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #556 on: December 15, 2012, 06:25:03 AM »
This

''Mass killers tend to be profoundly frustrated and despondent over life's disappointments, isolated from family and friends who might be in a position to provide comfort and support, and see themselves as the victim of undeserved mistreatment and unfairness. For them, the act of murder against certain people seen as responsible for their misfortune, if not against a corrupt society in general, is justified. Successful and fulfilled people, by contrast, have little need for vengeance or reason to wreak havoc in such a dramatic and public fashion.

Mass murderers often reserve their last deadly round for themselves or stand ready to be killed by police at the scene. For many, especially older assailants who have endured long years of perceived mistreatment, life on Earth becomes meaningless. They are prepared to die so long as they first achieve sufficient payback by becoming the powerful one who gets to dispense the misery. Yet even those assailants who, like the accused shooter in Colorado, willingly surrender do so knowing that they had successfully accomplished their mission: not only have they shared the pain, but they established themselves as a fearsome and dominant force in the eyes of the world.


So if there is a common pattern to these shootings and those responsible for the carnage, what does that suggest about predictability and prevention? Unfortunately, not much is readily available to help reduce the risk.

The difficult and sad truth is that thousands upon thousands of Americans share these same characteristics. There is a vast pool of people who fail to reach their ambitions, blame others or "the system" for their troubles, and have inadequate social support, yet very few will pick up a gun in response. Although the mass killer profile is predictable, their exact identifies are not. Mass murderers often exhibit telltale warning signs in their behavior or words, but these become clear only with hindsight. These so-called "red flags" are actually yellow ones that turn red only after the bloodletting.

Tighter controls on firearms licensing and sales would help to curtail our nation's high rate of gun violence, but not neccessarily this extreme form of violence. The fact is that most mass murderers, despite their readiness for violence and psychological impairment, do not have official records of criminality or mental illness that would disqualify them from gun ownership.''



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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #557 on: December 15, 2012, 06:25:17 AM »
These people calling for extreme gun control have no idea what that would be like as most live on top of each other in cities.  When the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away, relying on them to stop a perpetrator is just insane.  The majority of towns and cities in the United States are in rural areas and this requires that they are able to protect themselves since Law Enforcement is not going to be able to do so.
Yes because the cry rate is so insane in rural areas. ::)

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #558 on: December 15, 2012, 06:26:52 AM »
Yes because the cry rate is so insane in rural areas. ::)

So then it's ok to have a gun in a crime infested city to defend yourself correct? 

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #559 on: December 15, 2012, 06:28:28 AM »
You cower in the corner and hope for the best. I don't mind people who don't want to own a gun , but to say I can't , seriously
Exactly.  

I read a story on reddit a few weeks ago about 2 armed individuals breaking into a fellows house out in Wyoming.  He posted that he heard the crashing glass and had less than two minutes to react as they were charging up the stairs while firing guns.  He had two daughters, his wife and himself all upstairs where the bedrooms were located went into the hallway with an AR-15 and a pistol and laid on the ground, waiting for them to reach the top of the stairs. He fired as many rounds as he could as soon as they were in view and stopped both dead.  He said had he not reacted as fast as he did and the fact that he had adequate protection, he and his family would have surely been murdered/raped/tortured.


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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #560 on: December 15, 2012, 06:30:19 AM »
So then it's ok to have a gun in a crime infested city to defend yourself correct? 
I'm canadian I could give a fuck what you folk do with your guns, just say you hate niggas, and move on.

Just don't try using some bullshit argument on why having them makes sense.

This is what you got on your side, the fact that it is simply too hard to get rid of them. That's it every other nonsense you get on with is just idiotic posturing.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #561 on: December 15, 2012, 06:30:53 AM »
Yes because the cry rate is so insane in rural areas. ::)
It can be.  However, it doesn`t have to be.  It only takes a criminal one time to kill you.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #563 on: December 15, 2012, 06:34:15 AM »
Perhaps an interesting read to some of you

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1

In the fierce debate that always follows the latest mass shooting, it's an argument you hear frequently from gun rights promoters: If only more people were armed, there would be a better chance of stopping these terrible events. This has plausibility problems—what are the odds that, say, a moviegoer with a pack of Twizzlers in one pocket and a Glock in the other would be mentally prepared, properly positioned, and skilled enough to take out a body-armored assailant in a smoke- and panic-filled theater? But whether you believe that would happen is ultimately a matter of theory and speculation. Instead, let's look at some facts gathered in a two-month investigation by Mother Jones.

In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.
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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #564 on: December 15, 2012, 06:34:51 AM »
So we live in a world were most folks don't have enough self control to not eat a twinkie yet were suppose to have some magical ability with firearms.
::)
Yes, because by that rationale nobody should be able to pilot a 4000 pound potential weapon at speeds of 70 miles per hour in public because we know they can`t control their value meal addiction.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #565 on: December 15, 2012, 06:36:36 AM »
It can be.  However, it doesn`t have to be.  It only takes a criminal one time to kill you.
Again these paranoid arguments are childish at best. Your trying to turn this into some quasi spiritual philosophical  religious issue, where every person has the right to decide on life and death matters as a matter of fact. The reality is this concept is applied to no other aspect of our society.

The reality is if america had sound gun control the homicide and violent crime rate would be much lower.

Granted it's impossible when you have a defenseless border with spickyco, nevertheless it is the issue.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #566 on: December 15, 2012, 06:38:39 AM »

So Much fail it's not even funny in that excerpt.

Perhaps an interesting read to some of you

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1

In the fierce debate that always follows the latest mass shooting, it's an argument you hear frequently from gun rights promoters: If only more people were armed, there would be a better chance of stopping these terrible events. This has plausibility problems—what are the odds that, say, a moviegoer with a pack of Twizzlers in one pocket and a Glock in the other would be mentally prepared, properly positioned, and skilled enough to take out a body-armored assailant in a smoke- and panic-filled theater? But whether you believe that would happen is ultimately a matter of theory and speculation. Instead, let's look at some facts gathered in a two-month investigation by Mother Jones.

In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.


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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #567 on: December 15, 2012, 06:40:03 AM »
Perhaps an interesting read to some of you

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1

In the fierce debate that always follows the latest mass shooting, it's an argument you hear frequently from gun rights promoters: If only more people were armed, there would be a better chance of stopping these terrible events. This has plausibility problems—what are the odds that, say, a moviegoer with a pack of Twizzlers in one pocket and a Glock in the other would be mentally prepared, properly positioned, and skilled enough to take out a body-armored assailant in a smoke- and panic-filled theater? But whether you believe that would happen is ultimately a matter of theory and speculation. Instead, let's look at some facts gathered in a two-month investigation by Mother Jones.

In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 61 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed.

Thats not the point at all.  These "mass shootings" are a non-issue.

Here is the problem, people want to use events such as mass killing to legislate restrictions on law abiding gun owners based on nonsensical reasoning.  Some nut in Connecticut going on a rampage has nothing to do with someone in say, Alabama wanting to protect their property and family from potential threats.

I can give you tons of cases where perpetrators have been stopped by civilians wielding guns.  Want me to start?

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #568 on: December 15, 2012, 06:41:00 AM »
So Much fail it's not even funny in that excerpt.


I can't say I know enough about american gun politics and statistics to pass judgement, so I'd be curios to hear why think that article is full of fail?
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« Reply #569 on: December 15, 2012, 06:41:18 AM »
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Yes, because by that rationale nobody should be able to pilot a 4000 pound potential weapon at speeds of 70 miles per hour in public because we know they can`t control their value meal addiction.
First off driving has a hugely practical value to society that would be impossible ignore. There aren't many countries in the world without cars.

Second you need a liscenes and this is highly regulated by the police.

Third I'm authoritarian I actually believe the laws on cars should be much stricter. The death tole with cars is fucking insane.


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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #570 on: December 15, 2012, 06:42:28 AM »
Again these paranoid arguments are childish at best. Your trying to turn this into some quasi spiritual philosophical  religious issue, where every person has the right to decide on life and death matters as a matter of fact. The reality is this concept is applied to no other aspect of our society.

The reality is if america had sound gun control the homicide and violent crime rate would be much lower.

Granted it's impossible when you have a defenseless border with spickyco, nevertheless it is the issue.
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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #571 on: December 15, 2012, 06:43:18 AM »
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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #572 on: December 15, 2012, 06:43:26 AM »
Thats not the point at all.  These "mass shootings" are a non-issue.

Here is the problem, people want to use events such as mass killing to legislate restrictions on law abiding gun owners based on nonsensical reasoning.  Some nut in Connecticut going on a rampage has nothing to do with someone in say, Alabama wanting to protect their property and family from potential threats.

I can give you tons of cases where perpetrators have been stopped by civilians wielding guns.  Want me to start?

I'd love to see that actually. I don't doubt you at all that there are plenty of cases where guns have come in handy. Just don't post individual anecdotes(which can be done by any side of the argument) as it's not very illuminating, I'd be more interested in overall statistics when it comes to guns vs no guns.
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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #573 on: December 15, 2012, 06:43:53 AM »
Thats not the point at all.  These "mass shootings" are a non-issue.

Here is the problem, people want to use events such as mass killing to legislate restrictions on law abiding gun owners based on nonsensical reasoning.  Some nut in Connecticut going on a rampage has nothing to do with someone in say, Alabama wanting to protect their property and family from potential threats.

I can give you tons of cases where perpetrators have been stopped by civilians wielding guns.  Want me to start?
This is where your trying to turn it into some quasi religious system, where the right to shoot over shawdows the needs of society.

These mass killings are only the tip of the iceberg.

It don't just making shootings more commons, it makes regular crimes like home invasions much more violent.

It just puts the criminal and the citizen in a world that is much more intense, meaning people escalate the gambles.

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Re: Massive Shooting at School in Connecticut - 27 killed, 20 children
« Reply #574 on: December 15, 2012, 06:44:30 AM »