CT Shooting - Massive Shooting at School - 27 killed, 20 children

[MikMaq]

I'd love to see that actually. I don't doubt you at all that there are plenty of cases where guns have come in handy. Just don't post individual anecdotes(which can be done by any side of the argument) as it's not very illuminating, I'd be more interested in overall statistics when it comes to guns vs no guns.

But that is his argument that because some random folk do actually do things right it outweights the fact that so many more do things wrong.

[The True Adonis]

 



http://www.newsmax.com/Hirsen/Angelina-Jolie/2008/06/02/id/323896
Angelina Jolie Touts Gun Ownership


“I bought original, real guns of the type we used in ‘Tomb Raider’ for security. Brad and I are not against having a gun in the house, and we do have one,” Jolie tells the U.K. Daily Mail.

In case you’re wondering whether a Malibu celeb would really use a firearm for self-defense, Jolie supplies the answer: “Yes, I'd be able to use it if I had to. I could handle myself. I think there are certain combat skills that would come out.

“If anybody comes into my home and tries to hurt my kids, I've no problem shooting them,”

[The True Adonis]

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/entertainment/brad-pitt-buying-angelina-jolie-gun-range

Brad Pitt Buying Angelina Jolie a Gun Range

 Mon, September 03, 2012
Brad Pitt has splashed out $250,000 on a gun range as a wedding gift for Angelina Jolie.

The couple are getting married at their French estate Miraval later this year and Brad installed the range and armory for his future bride.

A source told The Sun newspaper, “Brad had a lot to live up with his wedding gift considering Angelina exchanged vials of blood with her ex-husband Billy-Bob Thornton.

“But Ange clearly finds shooting an aphrodisiac. When she and Brad were around weapons on the set of 2005′s ‘Mr & Mrs Smith’ they ended up together.”

The insider adds, “And by letting Angelina de-stress at the range, he’s less likely to get earache indoors. There’s a lot to be said for that when you have six kids.”

Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie became engaged in April of this year after dating for seven years. The couple admits their six children has been pressuring them to get married.

[lovemonkey]

You're so predictable Adonis. You can flood the thread with anecdotes all you want, but it still won't prove your point. All you're doing is making people scroll through the thread without reading anything.

[MikMaq]

You're so predictable Adonis. You can flood the thread with anecdotes all you want, but it still won't prove your point. All you're doing is making people scroll through the thread without reading anything.

Sssshhhhhh he's trying to troll.

[The True Adonis]

You're so predictable Adonis. You can flood the thread with anecdotes all you want, but it still won't prove your point. All you're doing is making people scroll through the thread without reading anything.

You can`t boil it down to one statistic sorry.  Someone breaks into your house, which can happen at anytime, you need to have the right to end them.  Its as simple as that.  What more do you want to see or "know"?

[Soul Crusher]

Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?

[lovemonkey]

You can`t boil it down to one statistic sorry.  Someone breaks into your house, which can happen at anytime, you need to have the right to end them.  Its as simple as that.  What more do you want to see or "know"?

I'm curios to find out if nation wide gun ownership is helpful in preventing or stopping crimes or if it's counterproductive. We can talk about hypothetical situations all day long but it won't make us any wiser about America today.

[chaos]

Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?

My bunker

[MikMaq]

You can`t boil it down to one statistic sorry.  Someone breaks into your house, which can happen at anytime, you need to have the right to end them.  Its as simple as that.  What more do you want to see or "know"?

this is your quasi religious argument again. I really don't care if you get killed. What I care about is society as a whole.

The odds of me getting fucked up in a home invasion get so much higher the second I goto a place with more guns.

This is why your arguments are so laughable, the level of saftey I have where I live compared to yours is just ironic.

[MikMaq]

Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?

As I said, thats the one argument you got stick to that one. That is the only thing you got.

[The True Adonis]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/celebrity-gun-owners-license_n_1557203.html
Celebrity Gun Owners and Carriers

[lovemonkey]

Even if we banned guns tommorow where are all the existing guns going to go?

It just might be that it's way too late for that now. Even if ALL guns were banned tomorrow, it would probably take a very, very long time before it has any effect since there already are so many guns in circulation. It's pretty obvious by now that restricting gun ownership doesn't really do much at this point. The problem America is facing seems to go deeper than that.

[The True Adonis]

I'm curios to find out if nation wide gun ownership is helpful in preventing or stopping crimes or if it's counterproductive. We can talk about hypothetical situations all day long but it won't make us any wiser about America today.

How can you measure people NOT breaking into houses or a particular area because they KNOW that nearly everyone has a gun and therefore they don`t dare break in? 

[MikMaq]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/celebrity-gun-owners-license_n_1557203.html

I'm taking your attempt to sidetrack the thread with anecdotes to mean we got you beat.

[The True Adonis]

It just might be that it's way too late for that now. Even if ALL guns were banned tomorrow, it would probably take a very, very long time before it has any effect since there already are so many guns in circulation. It's pretty obvious by now that restricting gun ownership doesn't really do much at this point. The problem America is facing seems to go deeper than that.

What is someone to do if they live in a rural area and the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away and somebody is bashing the door in?

[lovemonkey]

How can you measure people NOT breaking into houses or a particular area because they KNOW that nearly everyone has a gun and therefore they don`t dare break in? 

I wouldn't agree with that premise but lets assume it's true that it can't be measured, then how would you be able to back up the very point you're trying to make? Can you only do it hypothetically?

[MikMaq]

What is someone to do if they live in a rural area and the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away and somebody is bashing the door in?

Leave there home, and let the thieves do what they want.


EDIT: FUCK OFF FUCKROD.

[lovemonkey]

What is someone to do if they live in a rural area and the nearest Law Enforcement is 20 miles away and somebody is bashing the door in?

Carry a piece perhaps? I don't know what the best solution is really, that's what I'm curios to find out. But just assuming that a gun is going to solve all your problems is basically just saying that you like the idea of defending yourself with a gun, but don't give a shit about any other aspects.

I'm ready to be persuaded either way. But I need to see actual statistical evidence before making up my mind.

[MikMaq]

Carry a piece perhaps? I don't know what the best solution is really, that's what I'm curios to find out. But just assuming that a gun is going to solve all your problems is basically just saying that you like the idea of defending yourself with a gun, but don't give a shit about any other aspects.

I'm ready to be persuaded either way. But I need to see actual statistical evidence before making up my mind.

The scenarios bullshit, in most small towns crime is usually personal in nature.

[The True Adonis]

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

* At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
 
* A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
 
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
 

[The True Adonis]

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]

[The True Adonis]

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"
• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"
• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]

[The True Adonis]

[MikMaq]

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

* At the current homicide rate, roughly one in every 240 Americans will be murdered.[23]
 
* A U.S. Justice Department study based on crime data from 1974-1985 found:
 
• 42% of Americans will be the victim of a completed violent crime (assault, robbery, rape) in the course of their lives
• 83% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime
• 52% of Americans will be the victim of an attempted or completed violent crime more than once[24]
 

How about you get a clear definition what those stats.

Chick being raped by people they know, is not part of the argument.

Nor is being punched, push over, or other violent inccidents.