CT Shooting - Massive Shooting at School - 27 killed, 20 children

[240 is Back]

Attacking is an instinct you are born with imop. And most aren't born with this instinct. We've all seen video's of cops running for their lives when someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting. And these are people who are trained to fight.

it can probably be trained in people who would otherwise run.  Once they understand the % chances of survival of lying on floor vs fighting, that might help.  I dunno.

I do know that when someone wakes me up suddenly in middle of night, I tend to attack out of habit, instinct, whatever.  I've nearly given the wifey a black eye on occasion  If I get startled or shook while sleeping, I get aggressive to defend.  Of course, I'ma paranoid militant type, uncomfy in most places and definitely wolf not sheep.

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Attacking is an instinct you are born with imop. And most aren't born with this instinct. We've all seen video's of cops running for their lives when someone pulls out a gun and starts shooting. And these are people who are trained to fight.

240 is just talking out of his ass .


''Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.''
                                                                                   Mike Tyson

[240 is Back]

Not knowing the architecture of the school, the windows may cover an entire wall, giving an adequate escape route.

You're missing the point, when the shooting started, get the kids out immediately. Don't sit in the classroom waiting for the gunman to come to you.

sorry, i agree with you there - I was referring to situation where shooter was inside my classroom and i have 30 seconds to live.

if he's in hallway, i baracade kids or escape, whichever feasible, and then fight if he tries entry.  I was talking about the gunfight IN the room.  

[HockeyFightFan]

My random thoughts regarding gun control and violence in the U.S.

The shooter in Connecticut likely had a psychotic break (went nuts). We can discuss gun control all we like, but that won't change the fact that there will always be someone who loses it and does something crazy like shoot up a school house full of kids, bomb a building or run through a shopping mall killing innocent unsuspecting strangers.

It would be great if we lived in a world where there were no weapons and no violence. But to think that is going to happen any time soon. I do believe there is no reason private citizens need to own or keep assault weapons and that they should be illegal. I also believe that if someone wants to commit an act of violence, for whatever reason, they will figure out a way to do it, guns or no guns. People have been killing each other since the beginning of time. We can't seem to shake our primitive violent behavior.

It isn't clear to me why the U.S. should have a higher per capita incidence of violent deaths. More gun controls might help and they might change nothing. For the most part we are a nation of independents, meaning we don't do much personally to help each other out. Because it is unpopular and expensive to institutionalize the insane, many of them walk our streets. In many families, even when someone is in desperate straights we don't help them or give them a leg up, the best we can do is send them to the welfare office or direct them to some shelter. I have been in other developed countries and it doesn't seem to be this way everywhere. However, U.S. culture is often a pacesetter for the rest of the world in that what happens here becomes popular elsewhere. If that is true, then we are all headed in the wrong direction the world over.

Most Americans don't realize this but, this tragedy isn't even the worst massacre of schoolchildren ever. In Bath Michigan more kids were killed and NOT ONE gun was used.

But let's keep blaming guns and not the crazy fuckers pulling the triggers.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

it can probably be trained in people who would otherwise run.  Once they understand the % chances of survival of lying on floor vs fighting, that might help.  I dunno.

I do know that when someone wakes me up suddenly in middle of night, I tend to attack out of habit, instinct, whatever.  I've nearly given the wifey a black eye on occasion  If I get startled or shook while sleeping, I get aggressive to defend.  Of course, I'ma paranoid militant type, uncomfy in most places and definitely wolf not sheep.

Video of highly trained officer running for cover. Shit happens way too fast. If someone has a gun pointed at you from a distance of over 10 feet, moving toward the gun is in most cases suicide.

[The_Punisher]

will this latest Tragedy in American schools change things?........Probably not.....we will keep seeing the same catastrophy from time to time and the Second Amendment will remain the Winner in this battle......I will keep my two Guns.....my records are clean and I'm a responsible owner....I can't speak for others

[HockeyFightFan]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

[Quickerblade]

NEWTOWN, Conn. –  Town officials in Connecticut say the principal who died in the rampage at an elementary school was killed while lunging at the gunman as she tried to overtake him. Yep of course she did, town officials witnessed this did they.

Dawn Hochsprung was gunned down in Friday's massacre in Newtown. Board of Education chairwoman Debbie Liedlien says administrators were coming out of a meeting when the gunman forced his way into the school and ran toward him. Dawn is not smart.

Jeff Capeci (kuh-PEE'-chee) is chairman of the town's Legislative Council. Asked whether Hochsprung is a hero, he says, "From what we know, it's hard to classify her as anything else." Jeff is making shit up.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/15/connecticut-school-principal-died-lunging-at-gunman-officials-say/#ixzz2F9iZ3NI4

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Cops instinct to run saved his life here. If the cop went at the guy when the guy pulled the gun, the cop probably would have been dead.

[HockeyFightFan]

will this latest Tragedy in American schools change things?........Probably not.....we will keep seeing the same catastrophy from time to time and the Second Amendment will remain the Winner in this battle......I will keep my two Guns.....my records are clean and I'm a responsible owner....I can't speak for others

[Troll Voice] I think what liberals are telling gun owners is to shoot every fucking socially inept, smart, nerdy male you see between the ages of 17-24 in case they turn out to be mass murderers. [Troll Voice]

[Primemuscle]

240 is just talking out of his ass .


''Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.''
                                                                                   Mike Tyson

Excellent quote.

[Radical Plato]

In Bath Michigan more kids were killed and NOT ONE gun was used.

He did use a gun to detonate a bomb!

[NarcissisticDeity]

He did use a gun to detonate a bomb!

Not the one that killed the children

[Radical Plato]

So the gun industry is to blame for the acts of lunatics? 

No, they are to blame for making it possible for LUNATICS to kill masses of people in a short period of time!

[Radical Plato]

You cower in the corner and hope for the best. I don't mind people who don't want to own a gun , but to say I can't , seriously

But doesn't America prevent other countries from developing NUKES or other weapons of Mass destruction.  If these inanimate objects don't kill people, what are they so afraid of.  Why restrict ownership of anything then? If I can responsibly own a nuclear device, what's the problem?

[NarcissisticDeity]

But doesn't America prevent other countries from developing NUKES or other weapons of Mass destruction.  If these inanimate objects don't kill people, what are they so afraid of.  Why restrict ownership of anything then? If I can responsibly own a nuclear device, what's the problem?

Beyond lame , not even worthy of a response.

[NarcissisticDeity]

No, they are to blame for making it possible for LUNATICS to kill masses of people in a short period of time!

Keep trying to shift the responsibility to everyone and everything other than the asshole who did this.

[arce1988]

Why? ()

 
Because people are


fucking incomprehensible.


"Why?"




Michael Clayton

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why? ()

 
Because people are


fucking incomprehensible.


"Why?"




Michael Clayton

Awesome movie.

[MikMaq]

No, they are to blame for making it possible for LUNATICS to kill masses of people in a short period of time!

Dudes no lunatic, it was essentially a suicide. A dramatic suicide but still a suicide.

These's aren't crimes of lunes, there by people that are quite sane.

[Radical Plato]

I think America is at a crossroad, if they refuse to change now, this is what they can look forward to from now on, it will be unsafe to go to the Shopping Mall, the Movie theatre, the School, the Grocery store, essentially, their will be nowhere you can be safe.  And all for what, so some lunatics can go to the shooting range and enhance their deficient personalities, pathetic egos and lack of manhood by shooting at targets.  America has become a perverse parody of what a Good Country should be, they are the least FREE, the least SAFE, the least CARING, the least ENLIGHTENED of all the first world countries.  They have become the laughing stock of the First World.

[The True Adonis]

Grandpa always thought America was at a crossroads, but he always said that is what made America Great.  No matter which road you cross, you are still in America.

No better words to live by than those.

[The True Adonis]

I think America is at a crossroad, if they refuse to change now, this is what they can look forward to from now on, it will be unsafe to go to the Shopping Mall, the Movie theatre, the School, the Grocery store, essentially, their will be nowhere you can be safe.  And all for what, so some lunatics can go to the shooting range and enhance their deficient personalities, pathetic egos and lack of manhood by shooting at targets.  America has become a perverse parody of what a Good Country should be, they are the least FREE, the least SAFE, the least CARING, the least ENLIGHTENED of all the first world countries.  They have become the laughing stock of the First World.

Grandpa used to pick the boys up from little league and take them camping with a quick stop for ice cream.  Do that nowadays and you end up in jail.  Its a sign of the times.

[Radical Plato]

Grandpa always thought America was at a crossroads, but he always said that is what made America Great.  No matter which road you cross, you are still in America.

No better words to live by than those.

Masses of children aren't brutally murdered while at school in Great Countries! Grandpa was an idiot!

[The True Adonis]

Masses of children aren't brutally murdered while at school in Great Countries! Grandpa was an idiot!

Grandpa always said if anyone was going to do a mass shooting, it would be the japs.  Turns out he was right afterall.