Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?

[OTHstrong]

yeah, but just as we know the universe is expanding, we also are able to look back into the far past, we can see as far back -with telescopes- as very close to the universes birth.way further than the adam and eve story.

i agree, what was before is absolutely up to speculation , and into what the universe is expanding is as of today, speculation too.

i believe humans will have a device to look at the outer end of the universe one day.

how matter came to be is kinda explained, however.

im not denying a god figure, just saying the religions dont make entire sense, esp, they cant all be right.

Fair post 

[Bad Boy Dazza]

For myself, I can only answer that ever since I was young I have always had a deep sense that there is more to existence than just this physical realm.  More than just our flesh.

The possible explanations of "heaven" are many.   Perhaps it is in the same realm as us, but in a different dimension.  Like invisible radiowaves from different radio stations for example.  Close in proximity, but far apart nonetheless, separate from each other.

ok lets see, it doesnt seem to be on earth.

now, outside the earth, in the universe, its not habitable, its either too cold or too hot in space, depending where you are.

another thing is, it requires physical death to get there afaik, so how the ones of muslim faith think they will benefit from the virgins promised to them?

 

[Bad Boy Dazza]

I have actually considered that earth could be hell.  But I remain optimistic.  It id definitely not a heaven.

More like something "in-between".

maybe our existance on earth is heaven, or even worse, hell.

its hard to tell sometimes

[WOOO]

we're all worm meat

this is all meaningless

i find it comforting

[OTHstrong]

maybe our existance on earth is heaven, or even worse, hell.

its hard to tell sometimes

Just imagine some of the horrors people have faced? Watching their family get slaughtered, flayed, beheaded, boiled alive. Every form of torture your brain can come up with some one has faced, I nominate the world as hell for sure.

[Donny]

I have never wanted much in life...just my fucking piece of the Pie...

[Bad Boy Dazza]

An interesting interpretation of hell, is "separation from God".   This does not have to mean punishment and suffering in the way we commonly understand it, but simply separation from God.    

yes, many people went through worse than how hell is described.

often by soccaled leaders, or , governments.

heaven, it cant be, i mean, how many people do exactly the things in life they really want to do?

[Tito24]

here

[PJim]

Exactly.  We don't know what we don't know. Lack of evidence is not proof of non existence.

For fuck sake

[PJim]

Do tapeworms go to heaven?

[oldtimer1]

I feel sorry for people who don't believe in God. They seem to think they are so intelligent looking to science for explanations. They say I can prove God doesn't exist with a scientific argument is to say you are all knowing yourself. Many atheists are confident in their believed intelligence proving their is no God but yet they couldn't pass a Calculus course or swap out a transmission on car because of their lack of knowledge. I know the last sentence is outrageous but so is saying I want to know the location of heaven with scientific proof. The belief of God is seen in every nation since the beginning of human recorded history. One of the main reasons for generation nothing is not having a moral compass due not knowing God.

[lovemonkey]

I feel sorry for people who don't believe in God. They seem to think they are so intelligent looking to science for explanations. They say I can prove God doesn't exist with a scientific argument is to say you are all knowing yourself. Many atheists are confident in their believed intelligence proving their is no God but yet they couldn't pass a Calculus course or swap out a transmission on car because of their lack of knowledge. I know the last sentence is outrageous but so is saying I want to know the location of heaven with scientific proof. The belief of God is seen in every nation since the beginning of human recorded history. One of the main reasons for generation nothing is not having a moral compass due not knowing God.

So many misconceptions and false assumptions, I don't even know where to begin. Not going to bother, actually.

[Necrosis]

Galeniko,

Where did we come from?  Where did time, space, matter come from?  Where did energy come from?

If you found a computer in the woods, would you think it just grew out of the woods?  
If you look around this planet, and see design far more complicated than a computer, do you assume it grew here on its own?  


Sometimes you have to know where you came from before you can know where you are going.  Why ask about going to heaven, when you don't even know how you came to be here on earth...

Ok so the computer found in the woods was created, by logical extension the woods is not. Fair enough. game, set match.

[che]

Heaven is .......between Tito24's  legs 

FIXED

[Necrosis]

I beg to differ.

The concept of the beginning of time or what was before time began goes against the law of physics, there is no rational explanation for this whatsoever.

 Matter at one point in either way had to be produced or it was there in an infinite regression, both equally do not make sense.

Space is expanding, we know this to be true so what do you call what it is expanding into. No rational explanation can be given for this either. It can not be expanding into more space cause the vary definition of space has to include space itself to be an expanding scenario.

These are mysteries questions of the origin of space, time and, matter that man IMHO will never be able answer logically, it is very weird to say the least. Does this prove God, absolutely not but it does not disprove God either.

jesus, matter can neither be CREATED nor destroyed, why can your god be eternal but something that exists and has this very property not?  

It's expanding into nothing, you are asking for a border because you know nothing of physics and your mind dictates one. However, whats outside that ad infinitium. It's nothing the universe by definition is all there is.

[Necrosis]

i dont think "symplyhuge" is gonna come back, he dont think any further than what he wrote.

he wrote that, thought, he "layed the smack down" and left.

 

it's the watchmaker argument with computer in place of a watch,must be the new form of the argument hipsters use. Still been debunked to death though. There are other refutations but I think mine quite clearly elucidates that in order to say something is created polarity has to exist in that non-creations must be juxtaposed.

[_bruce_]

I believe in God and pray everyday, but Religion as an institution is extremely dangerous and the arch sin.
I've heard pretty interesting approached towards heaven and hell and I'm still "torn" on this one.

As for the question where heaven lies - certainly not on the earthly domain. The biggest test of mental strength is being able to deal with uncertainty which "haunts" us till our last breath.

[OTHstrong]

jesus, matter can neither be CREATED nor destroyed, why can your god be eternal but something that exists and has this very property not?  

It's expanding into nothing, you are asking for a border because you know nothing of physics and your mind dictates one. However, whats outside that ad infinitium. It's nothing the universe by definition is all there is.

Are you dumb or do you not know how to read. What you said matter can not be destroyed or created, well that is my point then it was always there right? Either way it is not rational. How long was it there smartass? 13 billion years? so what was matter 20 billion years ago. See that is how ignorant you are, you can not explain shit rationally, stop being dumb.

[Necrosis]

Are you dumb or do you not know how to read. What you said matter can not be destroyed or created, well that is my point then it was always there right? Either way it is not rational. How long was it there smartass? 13 billion years? so what was matter 20 billion years ago. See that is how ignorant you are, you can not explain shit rationally, stop being dumb.

I see my point was lost on you. Matter was never created, it has always existed. Let's walk through it shall we. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, yet we have matter. We know that it couldn't have been created meaning it is temporal, well then it must have always existed ie eternal. It's quite rational. I just laid it out for you. Something has to be eternal othewise and infinite regress is assumed.

maybe you don't know what eternal means.

[OTHstrong]

wow you are a bonehead. serious you are real dumb, you really think there is logic in what you just wrote above dumbass.

So if matter was not created, it always existed, I mean always, 100000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years ago, ya ok, go smoke some more crack, wooooooooooooosh very logical

[lovemonkey]

wow you are a bonehead. serious you are real dumb, you really think there is logic in what you just wrote above dumbass.

So if matter was not created, it always existed, I mean always, 100000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years ago, ya ok, go smoke some more crack, wooooooooooooosh very logical

You obviously don't have any deeper understanding of the concept of time, do you? Not trying to be condescending, but seriously you should look into reading about physics a bit more.

[OTHstrong]

You obviously don't have any deeper understanding of the concept of time, do you? Not trying to be condescending, but seriously you should look into reading about physics a bit more.

I have done enough to know that there is no rational explanations, even the theories and speculations, if true, are not rational. The very concept of time is impossible to explain. No matter how you slice it bro. If there was a beginning we would not be able to explain what started everything and if there was no beginning we would not be able to explain how something has no beginning. It is not hard to understand this bro.

[lovemonkey]

I have done enough to know that there is no rational explanations, even the theories and speculations, if true, are not rational. The very concept of time is impossible to explain. No matter how you slice it bro. If there was a beginning we would not be able to explain what started everything and if there was no beginning we would not be able to explain how something has no beginning. It is not hard to understand this bro.

What I was getting at really is that when talking about the origins of the universe, it doesn't really mean anything when you talk about "100 trillion years ago" since time itself is bounded by the fabric of the universe itself and is not defined without it. No universe, no time basically. So to speak of the time before the universe is meaningless.

A lot of these concepts that deal with time and quantum theory don't make a lot sense to the human mind so don't expect them to.

[OTHstrong]

What I was getting at really is that when talking about the origins of the universe, it doesn't really mean anything when you talk about "100 trillion years ago" since time itself is bounded by the fabric of the universe itself and is not defined without it. No universe, no time basically. So to speak of the time before the universe is meaningless.

A lot of these concepts that deal with time and quantum theory don't make a lot sense to the human mind so don't expect them to.

This is my argument right there, exactly what you wrote and that is all I am trying to tell people. I am saying that if time had a beginning, it would make no sense and if it did not have a beginning, it would also make no sense, I see no other options here. I don`t need to have a Phd in physics to see this.

[Meso_z]

The 'heaven' is located inside your moms anus.