Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?

[tbombz]

well if you go to land a plane your instructor will interfere if you are about to crash it right? of course.... Now if you are about to crash the plane on a simulator would your instructor interfere? No of course not because it is the only done on the simulator....... You follow?

..because everybody is flying around in simulators..    kind of like the matrix    death is the end of the game.. you can get back in and level up or down if necessary..  go on forever getting better and better moving up in levels... 

[OTHstrong]

i dont know about that.  eternity is a concept i find very easy to slip into. its the concept of personal non-existence which i find to be difficult to get inside of.

i would argue that the concept of an eternal energy that creates all things is much easier to settle inside of than the idea of some temporal, meaningless, uncaused, "existence" that ends with non-existence and the absence of knowledge or awareness of any kind.

I have no idea what you are talking about bro, but to say one is easier then the other is dumb when both are impossible anyway, it does not matter what you feel that one is easier to grasp then the other, saying that is stupid. When you can not grasp something you simply can't, no such a thing as "one is easier" HS

I can not grasp the the concept of God, nor to I understand God, I believe in God out of faith.

[OTHstrong]

..because everybody is flying around in simulators..    kind of like the matrix    death is the end of the game.. you can get back in and level up or down if necessary..  go on forever getting better and better moving up in levels... 

I guess. All I know is this life is just a small dot in the grande scheme of things, it is 1 part in a trillion, even less so that is why God does not play the hero every time someone stumbles.

[tbombz]

I have no idea what you are talking about bro, but to say one is easier then the other is dumb when both are impossible anyway, it does not matter what you feel that one is easier to grasp then the other, saying that is stupid. When you can not grasp something you simply can't, no such a thing as "one is easier" HS

I can not grasp the the concept of God, nor to I understand God, I believe in God out of faith.

let me put it simply = i can easily imagine living forever and being eternal. i feel as if i am an eternal being. i can not imagine a beginning or an end.

you base your belief in god on faith? whats faith exactly?  and what do you mean by "believe"?  ( i personally base my leaning towards theism upon observable evidence - i dont have any "faith" )

[TrueBB93]

Bro why are you getting mad? If you respect Islam then keep your cool as a representative you should not be arrogant in your defence, especially at Uberman when we know all his screws aren't there, sorry Uberman but you say some wacky shit.

Now to answer your question they both make equal sense.

ha, man you know better then me, keeping your cool while aruging with uberman aint easy lol.

I was just trying to give Galeniko an islamic perpesctive and right on queue Getbigs resident key board crusader comes and starts bashing the religon he knows nothing about.  

I glad you respect Islam, I respect your faith too bro.

[OTHstrong]

let me put it simply = i can easily imagine living forever and being eternal. i feel as if i am an eternal being. i can not imagine a beginning or an end.

you base your belief in god on faith? whats faith exactly?  and what do you mean by "believe"?  ( i personally base my leaning towards theism upon observable evidence - i dont have any "faith" )

You mean opinion because what you find easy to grasp as what you stated above others do not and neither of you are wrong in thinking in either direction.

You said it is easier for you to grasp eternity over an end, well another rational human being may find that impossible to grasp and for him he may find it easier to grasp the concept of an end, either way you have no right to scientifically claim one is easier, you have the right to state that it is your opinion that one is easier.but nothing more.

As for my faith, well I can only describe this as a 6th sense. My eyes tell me that this computer is in front of my and my nose tells me that my Chicken is in front of me. My spirit tells me there is a God and I trust it more then I trust any of my 5 sense because I feel it stronger then any of my 5 sense and if you do not believe then so be it.

[OTHstrong]

ha, man you know better then me, keeping your cool while aruging with uberman aint easy lol.

I was just trying to give Galeniko an islamic perpesctive and right on queue Getbigs resident key board crusader comes and starts bashing the religon he knows nothing about.  

I glad you respect Islam, I respect your faith too bro.

Ya just internet smack talk, nothing more.

Ya I used to argue with Ahmed but I don't any more cause we where both getting frustrated but It was not cause we were debating but because to many people were coming around bashing Islam and it made me look like I don't respect Islam, when I actually do so I stopped having friendly debates cause people around us just mock and name call and shit.

Funny now me and Ahmed are friends, lol, and talk about training and nutrition.

[Natural Man]

i have read all the old and new testament, and there was no coordinates for a map to find heaven.

i have also read the quran.

haha sure... very credible especially coming from you. Basically you studied theology right?

[The True Adonis]

haha sure... very credible coming from you.

7. Genesis 38:8-10
NASB

    Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

KJV

    And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

[OTHstrong]

7. Genesis 38:8-10
NASB

    Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

KJV

    And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

I don't follow

your point that is.........

[Natural Man]

I don't follow

your that is.........

lol, probably because there s nothing to understand, dude doesnt even understand what he s trying to say anymore, now babbling that stupid shit about "my grandfather" nobody finds interesting/funny etc, obviously nearing a breakdown of epic proportions.

[dr.chimps]

7. Genesis 38:8-10
NASB

    Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

KJV

    And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Dorothy Parker's parakeet was named Onan because he always spilled his seed.  

[The True Adonis]

lol, probably because there s nothing to understand, dude doesnt even understand what he s trying to say anymore, now babbling that stupid shit about "my grandfather" nobody finds interesting/funny etc, obviously nearing a breakdown of epic proportions.

5. Exodus 4:24-25
NASB

    Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said, “You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”

[OTHstrong]

5. Exodus 4:24-25
NASB

    Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said, “You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”

what is your point? seriously? or are we just having a poor attempt at trolling here.

[The True Adonis]

what is your point? seriously? or are we just having a poor attempt at trolling here.

KJV

    And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

[OTHstrong]

KJV

    And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

The name Jezebel came to be associated with false prophets, and further associated by the early 20th century with fallen or abandoned women.[6] In Christian lore, a comparison to Jezebel suggested that a person was a pagan or an apostate masquerading as a servant of God. By manipulation and/or seduction, she misled the saints of God into sins of idolatry and sexual immorality.[7] In particular, Jezebel has come to be associated with promiscuity. In modern usage, the name of Jezebel is sometimes used as a synonym for sexually promiscuous and sometimes controlling women,[8][9] In his two-volume Guide to the Bible (1967 and 1969), Isaac Asimov describes Jezebel's last act: dressing in all her finery, make-up and jewelry, as deliberately symbolic, indicating her dignity, royal status and determination to go out of this life as a Queen.

[OTHstrong]

KJV

    And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

And when Jehu king of Israel had come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she put paint on her eyes and adorned her head, and looked through a window. Then, as Jehu entered at the gate she said, “Is it peace Zimri, murderer of your master?”

And Jehu looked up at the window, and said,

“Who is on my side? Who?”

And two or three eunuchs looked out at him. Then Jehu commanded,

“Throw her down!”

So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered on the wall and on the horses; and he trampled her underfoot.

And when Jehu had gone in, he ate and drank. Then he said, “Go now, see to this accursed woman, and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.”

So they went to bury her, but they found no more of her than the skull and the feet and the palms of her hand. Therefore they came back and told him.

And Jehu said, “This is the word of the Lord, which HE spoke by his servant Elijah the Tishbite saying, ‘On the plot of the ground at Jezreel dogs shall eat the flesh of Jezebel; And the corpse of Jezebel shall be as refuse on the surface of the field, in the plot at Jezreel, so that they shall not say, “Here lies Jezebel.” ‘ “—2Kings 9:30-37

[The True Adonis]

And when Jehu king of Israel had come to Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she put paint on her eyes and adorned her head, and looked through a window. Then, as Jehu entered at the gate she said, “Is it peace Zimri, murderer of your master?”

And Jehu looked up at the window, and said,

“Who is on my side? Who?”

And two or three eunuchs looked out at him. Then Jehu commanded,

“Throw her down!”

So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered on the wall and on the horses; and he trampled her underfoot.

And when Jehu had gone in, he ate and drank. Then he said, “Go now, see to this accursed woman, and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.”

So they went to bury her, but they found no more of her than the skull and the feet and the palms of her hand. Therefore they came back and told him.

And Jehu said, “This is the word of the Lord, which HE spoke by his servant Elijah the Tishbite saying, ‘On the plot of the ground at Jezreel dogs shall eat the flesh of Jezebel; And the corpse of Jezebel shall be as refuse on the surface of the field, in the plot at Jezreel, so that they shall not say, “Here lies Jezebel.” ‘ “—2Kings 9:30-37

Only I eat the flesh of Jezebelle.

[Marty Champions]

thread closed

[OTHstrong]

Only I eat the flesh of Jezebelle.

very evil name, who would name their kid that horrendous name.

[Jadeveon Clowney]

very evil name, who would name their kid that horrendous name.

it's a beautiful name. Jezebel Delilah Abeles.  De-LII-Lah!

[OTHstrong]

it's a beautiful name. Jezebel Delilah Abeles.  De-LII-Lah!

Is that her middle name or who's name is that?^^^

[a_ahmed]

last thing...

that was awesome bro.

Just to add one thing that he didn't mention. When he mentions crescent/moon/star/etc... this ACTUALLY started with the ottomans, it has nothing to do with Islam as Muhammad (pbuh) forbade technically objects/symbols/etc... Islam forbids this... however it became a 'symbol' representing Muslims through the ottomans, it in fact originates in some preislamic ottoman religion/paganism in a way... but it lost that meaning. That's where certain orientalists try to tie it in to preislamic paganism lol.. and some 'moon god' when clearly Islam opposes the worship of ANYTHING in the creation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescent

[The True Adonis]

Do Muslims eat poop?

[Jadeveon Clowney]

Is that her middle name or who's name is that?^^^

her middle name is delilah. why is that so amazing? named after the famous radio personality.