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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #100 on: December 16, 2012, 05:37:13 PM »
Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy said the gunman shot his way through a school door "using several rounds" before beginning to kill adults and children inside!  He discharged to make an opening and then went through it, went to the first classroom ... went to the second classroom.

It appears guns don't just kill people, you can use them to gain access through locked doors.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/16/obama-to-join-mourning-connecticut-families-in-search-for-answers

State Police spokesman, Lt. J. Paul Vance told reporters at a news conference. The gunman “was not voluntarily let into the school,” Vance said. “He forced his way in.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-sandy-hook-school-shooting-20121215,0,5203637.story

The shooter also taped together two cartridge magazines to his Bushmaster .223 calibre rifle so that he could flip between the two with speed and ease, increasing his killing efficiency - to gun Nutters this is called "jungle-taping".
are you also for banning alcohol?

that kills more ppl than guns every year....

Im guessing youre not ranting and raving ignorantly about banning that though, eh?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #101 on: December 16, 2012, 05:39:28 PM »
I think guns should be banned in GTA V.  Do you realize how many died in Liberty City due to assault weapons?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #102 on: December 16, 2012, 05:43:34 PM »
The shooter also taped together two cartridge magazines to his Bushmaster .223 calibre rifle so that he could flip between the two with speed and ease, increasing his killing efficiency - to gun Nutters this is called "jungle-taping".

The bullets used in the massacre were designed specifically to penetrate deep tissue and do a "devastating" amount of damage. Weapons experts believe the killer used "frangible ammunition", which fragments on impact, inflicting wounds that are usually beyond medical help.

Gotta love GUN NUTTERS!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #103 on: December 16, 2012, 05:46:09 PM »
are you also for banning alcohol?

that kills more ppl than guns every year....

Im guessing youre not ranting and raving ignorantly about banning that though, eh?

gotta love alcohol nutters...

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2012, 05:46:17 PM »
The shooter also taped together two cartridge magazines to his Bushmaster .223 calibre rifle so that he could flip between the two with speed and ease, increasing his killing efficiency - to gun Nutters this is called "jungle-taping".

The bullets used in the massacre were designed specifically to penetrate deep tissue and do a "devastating" amount of damage. Weapons experts believe the killer used "frangible ammunition", which fragments on impact, inflicting wounds that are usually beyond medical help.

Gotta love GUN NUTTERS!
Actually, they make clips that do that without the tape.  I am sure that is what he used.  Stop with the Sensationalism.


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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #105 on: December 16, 2012, 05:50:34 PM »
are you also for banning alcohol?

that kills more ppl than guns every year....

Im guessing youre not ranting and raving ignorantly about banning that though, eh?

I couldn't care less if they banned alcohol, I have NEVER been a drinker, and personally I think societies would be better off without it, if they put that on the legislative table, I would vote to get rid of it for social use, personally, anything that is responsible for more HARM than GOOD I wouldn't miss for a NANOSECOND!    Also, you are comparing apples and oranges!  Alcohol is not created with the SOLE intent of being a Killing Tool, Guns are.  Is alcohol involved in the mass murder of children, or does it just kill the people who become addicted to it and after decades of repeated usage and is in part responsible for their demise?  Can alcohol by itself be used in such a manner as to suddenly kill dozens of people in a just a few minutes?  Does alcohol by itself only kill the person who CHOOSES to imbibe it, or does it have no IMPACT on those who choose not to use it? Can one choose not to use alcohol and completely negate the risk that alcohol consumption presents?  To compare alcohol to GUNS is the argument of a desperate RETARD!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #106 on: December 16, 2012, 06:00:25 PM »
I couldn't care less if they banned alcohol, I have NEVER been a drinker, and personally I think societies would be better off without it, if they put that on the legislative table, I would vote to get rid of it for social use, personally, anything that is responsible for more HARM than GOOD I wouldn't miss for a NANOSECOND!    Also, you are comparing apples and oranges!  Alcohol is not created with the SOLE intent of being a Killing Tool, Guns are.  Is alcohol involved in the mass murder of children, or does it just kill the people who become addicted to it and after decades of repeated usage and is in part responsible for their demise?  Can alcohol by itself be used in such a manner as to suddenly kill dozens of people in a just a few minutes?  Does alcohol by itself only kill the person who CHOOSES to imbibe it, or does it have no IMPACT on those who choose not to use it? Can one choose not to use alcohol and completely negate the risk that alcohol consumption presents?  To compare alcohol to GUNS is the argument of a desperate RETARD!
yes alcohol effects ppl that dont drink it, the ppl that are in accidents with drunk drivers.

now you cannot negate the risks of alcohol by not drinking it, see above brain child...

Alcohol kills more ppl than guns annually by far, so why isnt your bleeding heart pissing and moaning about that every day?

Absolutely alcohol can be responsible for dozens of deaths within seconds, it happens EVERY FUKING DAY MORON!!!

There are plenty of guns that arent made to kill, if you actually knew anything about guns you would know that. Alas youve been told one thing and without thought have bought into it hook line and sinker.

Big guns are scawy right?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #107 on: December 16, 2012, 06:03:28 PM »
Mexico banned guns. Working out well for them. The cartels have them and the citizens have nothing. Good system.
big guns make loud noises and are scawy!!!!

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #108 on: December 16, 2012, 06:05:13 PM »
Actually, they make clips that do that without the tape.  I am sure that is what he used.  Stop with the Sensationalism.


Not only that, but it's not particularly effective. The most elite military units in the world don't do that shit, that's for civilians and gear queers.

Its just as fast to simply drop the mag and grab another. But it sure sounds scary!

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #109 on: December 16, 2012, 06:17:12 PM »
I was in Sao Paulo a few weeks ago and was told that something like 200+ police officers had been killed mainly with guns within the last 3 months.

Brazil has very very strict gun laws, can some of you gun control nutters explain this?

I was actually told to not stand next to police on the street b/c you may be hurt if they are attacked.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2012, 06:21:27 PM »

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2012, 06:25:22 PM »
yes alcohol effects ppl that dont drink it, the ppl that are in accidents with drunk drivers.

now you cannot negate the risks of alcohol by not drinking it, see above brain child...

Alcohol kills more ppl than guns annually by far, so why isnt your bleeding heart pissing and moaning about that every day?

Absolutely alcohol can be responsible for dozens of deaths within seconds, it happens EVERY FUKING DAY MORON!!!

There are plenty of guns that arent made to kill, if you actually knew anything about guns you would know that. Alas youve been told one thing and without thought have bought into it hook line and sinker.

Big guns are scawy right?
Alcohol on it's own doesn't kill people in road accidents, it is the combination of the two (Alcohol and driving a vehicle)  - BIG DIFFERENCE!

foetuses affected by a Mothers drinking are not yet Independent Free Thinking Humans, they don't have the ability to CHOOSE the risks they take yet - BIG DIFFERENCE!

Alcohol kills those that choose to use it, not other peoples children while they are at school - BIG DIFFERENCE!

Alcohol doesn't kill in seconds (Why DO NUTTERS always twist the TRUTH to support their LIES), it takes decades and decades of continual use for it too finally have a fatal effect! BIG DIFFERENCE!

EASY access to alcohol puts individuals at risk of alcoholism own LIFE at RISK and affects their HEALTH Only!, Easy access to GUNS puts everyone life at RISK!

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #112 on: December 16, 2012, 06:29:37 PM »
Alcohol on it's own doesn't kill people in road accidents, it is the combination of the two (Alcohol and driving a vehicle)  - BIG DIFFERENCE!

foetuses affected by a Mothers drinking are not yet Independent Free Thinking Humans, they don't have the ability to CHOOSE the risks they take yet - BIG DIFFERENCE!

Alcohol kills those that choose to use it, not other peoples children while they are at school - BIG DIFFERENCE!

Alcohol doesn't kill in seconds (Why DO NUTTERS always twist the TRUTH to support their LIES), it takes decades and decades of continual use for it too finally have a fatal effect! BIG DIFFERENCE!

EASY access to alcohol puts individuals at risk of alcoholism own LIFE at RISK and affects their HEALTH Only!, Easy access to GUNS puts everyone life at RISK!
guns on their own dont kill ppl, its a combination of guns and stupid ass ppl...Same thing as alcohol and drunk drivers...

Who said anything about fetuses?

you asked if alcohol effected those that dont drink and yes it CERTAINLY FUKING DOES MORON!!!

Every year thousands of innocent ppl are killed in accidents with drunk drivers...these ppl werent drinking they were just driving and go hit by drunk drivers...SAME SHIT MORON!!!

You mean when someone gets in an accident with a drunk driver they arent killed in an instant?

Do you not know that drunk driving is an epidemic? it kills many more ppl than guns every year.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2012, 07:17:22 PM »
You can compare apples and oranges all day, it is non nonsensical.  The issue is, balancing up the HARM vs GOOD ratio, and cars, planes, trains etc all serve a greater COMMUNITY purpose, they help in the transport of necessary items like food, water, medicines and many other important day to day necessities, their is an undeniable benefit to the community, their is a certain amount of predictability to the whole thing and they can continually be made SAFER through careful design, rehulation and planning initiatives.  So when fatalities occur, although unfortunate, the cost is weighed against the benefit to the larger community.  Citizens owning GUNS on the other hand, serve little to NO Community function, like a lot of INDIVIDUAL liberties, they are selfish and serve an Individual at the EXPENSE of the greater community, they are something that could easily be lived without and the removal of GUNS from citizens would have a greater positive effect for communities that would overcome any negatives from the process.  

I remember reading a study years ago about the cost to society from noise complaints regarding neighbours, and I remember they compared people who lived alongside a railway line with those who lived next door to noisy neighbours.  You would think that they would both be equally negatively impacted by the regular intrusions into their household living, but the people who lived next to the railway line were far better off, they discovered that they rationalised the situation and weighed up the community benefit that trains provide against the general annoyance they felt when hearing the trains, and also because of the predictable nature of trains and the fact they knew that the noise was short lived, it made the situation bearable, unlike the neighbour who had rowdy neighbours, it was impossible to judge when the neighbours would cause the disturbance, nor how long it would go on for, and the noise almost always served no community benefit, it was always a selfish indulgence by the neighbour.  These factors, No Community benefit and Predictability were major factors on the negative impact on individuals and to the community at large (the handling of noise complaints cost a lot of money, also sometimes people were killed over it) when handling Noise Complaints.  

And this is the Issue, individuals who aren't obsessed with GUNS and don't feel the need to own one, get ZERO benefit from their neighbours owning guns and mass shooting are impossible to predict (statistically, they are INEVITABLE in America) when and where they will happen next, putting the average citizen in a fearful state (this is the state GUN NUTTERS prey on, hoping that if everyone becomes afraid enough, they will finally cave in too the GUN NUTTERS and buy a GUN for so called protection, even though STATS show you are more likely to be killed during a crime if you have a gun than if you don't).  The average NORMAL citizen will weigh up the benefit of something as opposed to the risk to their health when advocating for something, and the actuarial risk of individual gun ownership for citizens has now become so great, and the benefit/loss ratio so unbalanced, that the general community is now at GREAT Risk due to a selfish individual privilege granted to citizens by the Government.  Communities Interests must come first for them to be SAFE, SECURE and HEALTHY, selfish Interest will always erode any Community!  Time for Individuals to grow up and put their communities first, and ironically, the Individual will also prosper.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2012, 07:24:42 PM »
You can compare apples and oranges all day, it is non nonsensical.  The issue is, balancing up the HARM vs GOOD ratio, and cars, planes, trains etc all serve a greater COMMUNITY purpose, they help in the transport of necessary items like food, water, medicines and many other important day to day necessities, their is an undeniable benefit to the community, their is a certain amount of predictability to the whole thing and they can continually be made SAFER through careful design, rehulation and planning initiatives.  So when fatalities occur, although unfortunate, the cost is weighed against the benefit to the larger community.  Citizens owning GUNS on the other hand, serve little to NO Community function, like a lot of INDIVIDUAL liberties, they are selfish and serve an Individual at the EXPENSE of the greater community, they are something that could easily be lived without and the removal of GUNS from citizens would have a greater positive effect for communities that would overcome any negatives from the process.  

I remember reading a study years ago about the cost to society from noise complaints regarding neighbours, and I remember they compared people who lived alongside a railway line with those who lived next door to noisy neighbours.  You would think that they would both be equally negatively impacted by the regular intrusions into their household living, but the people who lived next to the railway line were far better off, they discovered that they rationalised the situation and weighed up the community benefit that trains provide against the general annoyance they felt when hearing the trains, and also because of the predictable nature of trains and the fact they knew that the noise was short lived, it made the situation bearable, unlike the neighbour who had rowdy neighbours, it was impossible to judge when the neighbours would cause the disturbance, nor how long it would go on for, and the noise almost always served no community benefit, it was always a selfish indulgence by the neighbour.  These factors, No Community benefit and Predictability were major factors on the negative impact on individuals and to the community at large (the handling of noise complaints cost a lot of money, also sometimes people were killed over it) when handling Noise Complaints.  

And this is the Issue, individuals who aren't obsessed with GUNS and don't feel the need to own one, get ZERO benefit from their neighbours owning guns and mass shooting are impossible to predict (statistically, they are INEVITABLE in America) when and where they will happen next, putting the average citizen in a fearful state (this is the state GUN NUTTERS prey on, hoping that if everyone becomes afraid enough, they will finally cave in too the GUN NUTTERS and buy a GUN for so called protection, even though STATS show you are more likely to be killed during a crime if you have a gun than if you don't).  The average NORMAL citizen will weigh up the benefit of something as opposed to the risk to their health when advocating for something, and the actuarial risk of individual gun ownership for citizens has now become so great, and the benefit/loss ration so unbalanced, that the general community is now at GREAT Risk due to a selfish individual privilege granted to citizens by the Government.
TL:DR: Dont care about your shitty opinion anyway.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #115 on: December 16, 2012, 07:26:57 PM »
TL:DR: Dont care about your shitty opinion anyway.
You summed up the attitude of the Gun Loving Apologists just Nicely!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2012, 07:28:55 PM »
You summed up the attitude of the Gun Loving Apologists just Nicely!
TL:DR

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2012, 07:59:47 PM »
FIXED!
People die. Thats life. Get over it.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2012, 08:08:38 PM »
People die. Thats life. Get over it.
People stand up TOO Murderers and their accessories and all those who enable them  GET OVER IT, THAT'S LIFE!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2012, 08:11:50 PM »
People stand up TOO Murderers and their accessories and all those who enable them  GET OVER IT, THAT'S LIFE!
Murderers don't tend to care about laws, therefore they're going to be the only ones with firearms. See Mexico. Standing up to murderers takes someone with the heart and the ability, and you can't stand up to a murderer armed with firearms with ideals, can you?

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #120 on: December 16, 2012, 08:16:33 PM »
Murderers don't tend to care about laws, therefore they're going to be the only ones with firearms. See Mexico. Standing up to murderers takes someone with the heart and the ability, and you can't stand up to a murderer armed with firearms with ideals, can you?
Mexico is a shit-hole run by criminals, How sad that you compare America too it!  America could have been great, it has now become a country dictated too by the mentally ill and in such decline that citizens now compare it too Mexico.  WTF happened to America.  The rest of the first world laughs at your Blindness and denial, not to mention your weakness in overcoming the decline.  Grandpa always said You can judge a man's insecurity by how tightly he clings too his guns!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #121 on: December 16, 2012, 08:21:12 PM »
You only have to look at alcohol and drug prohibition to know what would happen if guns were banned.
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #122 on: December 16, 2012, 08:28:01 PM »
You only have to look at alcohol and drug prohibition to know what would happen if guns were banned.
Actually drugs should be made legal and guns banned, this would go a long way to fixing Mexico!
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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #123 on: December 16, 2012, 08:32:21 PM »
Mexico is a shit-hole run by criminals, How sad that you compare America too it!  America could have been great, it has now become a country dictated too by the mentally ill and in such decline that citizens now compare it too Mexico.  WTF happened to America.  The rest of the first world laughs at your Blindness and denial, not to mention your weakness in overcoming the decline.  Grandpa always said You can judge a man's insecurity by how tightly he clings too his guns!
The point still stands - you take the guns out of the law abiding citizens hands, and all you have left is the criminals. There are too many firearms in this country for anything you're advocating to work. It's a simple fact.

Besides, I would never give up liberty for security. Never, ever.

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Re: Yes, We SHOULD Politicize the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting
« Reply #124 on: December 16, 2012, 09:13:44 PM »
The point still stands - you take the guns out of the law abiding citizens hands, and all you have left is the criminals. There are too many firearms in this country for anything you're advocating to work. It's a simple fact.

Besides, I would never give up liberty for security. Never, ever.
It's very difficult for a citizen to get a gun in Australia, their is no GUN Culture, and in 40 years, I have never personally known anyone who owns a gun or wanted a gun for that matter, I have never seen one, never held one, never fired one, and I feel no need too.  I feel safe knowing their are very little guns in households and also that the GUN NUTTERS are a minority.  And guess what, NO MASS MURDERS, No school shootings no overwhelming suffering created by a GUN Culture, and guess what, yeah the Criminals will always have weapons regardless of the LAW, yet, they stick to themselves, Career Criminals shoot each other and always avoid shooting citizens.  It's not the serious criminals you have to worry about, even they have a code.  

You can remain in DENIAL all you like, but strict GUN regulations work, they take the easy opportunity away from a NUTTER to do mass damage in a short period of time.   I have NO DOUBT that America will never change, they have gone beyond a tipping point and are now dictated too by Self interest Groups comprised of unreasonable zealots who hold sway over politics and the masses.  The average American is better off throwing their arms in the air and surrendering and just get used to children being killed in Mass Murders, they have become INEVITABLE and it is only a matter of when will the next one happen.  Ironically, the more Mass Killings, the more guns are sold, the more people become afraid and buy guns and the more people support gun ownership.  The Gun Lobby thrives off of mass killings, they just rub their hands together knowing this will support their cause more, they want you to be afraid, very afraid, so then they can hand you a gun and say I told you so.  Guns have imprisoned your country to the point where a child isn't safe to go to school, a citizen is afraid to worship or shop and your Country is the very opposite of what being FREE means.  Your citizens aren't free, they are being held hostage by Gun Toting Terrorists!  Best an American citizen can do is pray they aren't NEXT! How Sad



A Mass shooting occurs every 5 days in America



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