Do all atheists not beleive in a higher power, do they feel they are the highest

[The True Adonis]

adam abeles, or the idea that he is a higher power than atoms ? 

Yah thats logical.  

[The True Adonis]

The majority of people I spend time with above and beyond 'acquaintance' level are atheists. Almost none affirm the existence of anything you might reasonably call a higher power, though some retain a core of mysticism and speak in vagaries of such things as 'spirits', a 'spiritual realm', and of their being 'something more than the physical'.

Do we want to call such statements evidence of belief in a higher power? It depends on what you mean by the term. Anyway, there's definitely a contingent of atheists who believe in supernatural things, however vaguely defined. Whether such things are 'higher' or not is a relatively boring semantic issue.

Those people are as dumb as barb wire on the moon.

[tbombz]

The majority of people I spend time with above and beyond 'acquaintance' level are atheists. Almost none affirm the existence of anything you might reasonably call a higher power, though some retain a core of mysticism and speak in vagaries of such things as 'spirits', a 'spiritual realm', and of their being 'something more than the physical' (and other similar statements).

Do we want to call such statements evidence of belief in a higher power? It depends on what you mean by the term. Anyway, there's definitely a contingent of atheists who believe in supernatural things, however vaguely defined. Whether we decide to call these things 'higher' or not is a relatively boring semantic issue we can solve by stipulation.

Now I'm going to generalize a bit. I think that, in general, those atheists who have dedicated the most thought to the matter tend to eschew any supernaturalism, whereas those who still affirm some sort of supernatural realm/entities are either recent converts and are loathe to abandon religiosity entirely, haven't thought about the issue all that much, or aren't particularly bright.

i have found the same thing = when prodded, many outspoken "atheists" do believe in the possibility of spirits and/or some kind of supernatural force.

[tbombz]

Yah thats logical.  

i asssume you think there are more similarities between electrons and lightening than there are between atoms and adam abeles?

[TrueBB93]

watch this, How can you deny God?

[Radical Plato]

watch this, How can you deny God?

That was the biggest load of crap I have seen in a long time.  if anyone is influenced by that nonsense, they DESERVE to be enslaved for eternity.  All he did was point out what all Scientists KNOW that their are fixed laws of NATURE and then suggested because of this THERE MUST BE A GOD and because their is a GOD a human BEING must SUBMIT (Submit to what exactly?, maybe the CHURCH or Spiritual Leaders, since GOD isn't around to submit too).  Talk about a failed leap of logic.  Even if their was a GOD, why the fuck would he want anybody to SUBMIT to him, that makes him more pathetic than HUMANS.  Only a human being could suggest their is an all powerful deity put he is so pathetic he wants you to SUBMIT to him.  As an atheist, I could easily come up with a more intellectually satisfying concept of a divinity than that.  Those who repeat this NONSENSE insult anybody with Intelligence, it literally blows me away that somebody could even remotely believe this, and be completely unaware that they are being manipulated for other peoples purposes and NOT GOD's.

[Marty Champions]

its foolish to not beleive in aliens, they could be the gods for all we know

[SF1900]

its foolish to not beleive in aliens, they could be the gods for all we know

[King Shizzo]

I don't class myself an athiest.  I believe in a higher force/power/beings etc.... that created all of this nonsense we call a universe.  Everything just works too perfectly, and is too complex, to have "just happened".  The bible and "commercial religions" are full of shit.

[Marty Champions]

hahah but actually its the only simplistic explanation we can attain right now, im sure its fairly relative to the real reason we were created

[Marty Champions]

I don't class myself an athiest.  I believe in a higher force/power/beings etc.... that created all of this nonsense we call a universe.  Everything just works too perfectly, and is too complex, to have "just happened".  The bible and "commercial religions" are full of shit.

to me this is the most sensible explanation

there is some powerful beings like Wilson Falcon who prevented the apocalypse but he had to go back intime for some pure white hoes

[SF1900]

hahah but actually its the only simplistic explanation we can attain right now, im sure its fairly relative to the real reason we were created

Simplistic explanations are usually the best explanations. Sort of like occams razor. However, the idea that it was ancient aliens is not a simple explanation.

[King Shizzo]

hahah but actually its the only simplistic explanation we can attain right now, im sure its fairly relative to the real reason we were created

Being created/relatives to an alien species has more ground with me than a god/jesus angle.  "God" maybe the master race.

[Marty Champions]

Simplistic explanations are usually the best explanations. Sort of like occams razor. However, the idea that it was ancient aliens is not a simple explanation.

simplistic explanations sound best but how simplistic are we talking

id enjoy someone giving me a "simplistic explationation" of a computer ciruit board in just under a few hundred words so i could build my own falcon computer but im not sure its possible

[tbombz]

I THINK IT MORE LIKELY THAT WE ARE GOD AND GOD IS US AND WE (GOD AND US AND ME AND YOU) HAVE AN ETERNAL MUTUAL CONSCIOUSNESS THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY ADDING TO AND IMPROVING UPON WITH EVERY NEW LIFE AND EVERY NEW EXPERIENCE THAT EVER OCCURS.

[Immortal_Technique]

power?

just wondering if theyve ever considerd macro-entities

I think we consider these questions as much as anyone, the only difference being that we make our conclusions based on evidence and what is scientifically plausable and probable. Made up stuff is appealing to some people though, and I don't begrudge them that. I would imagine many atheists like myself would not consider themselves the highest power, but rather one animal on a whole planet of animals in a tangible physical world. If loads of horrible shit happened to me or my family however, I can completely appreciate and understand a need to fabricate a higher purpose + afterlife etc.

[The True Adonis]

I don't class myself an athiest.  I believe in a higher force/power/beings etc.... that created all of this nonsense we call a universe.  Everything just works too perfectly, and is too complex, to have "just happened".  The bible and "commercial religions" are full of shit.

Nothing works perfectly, everything is headed for Entropy.  Why would you think the Universe or anything in is "perfect"?

[bigjim]

i have found the same thing = when prodded, many outspoken "atheists" do believe in the possibility of spirits and/or some kind of supernatural force.

I think what you are saying is that us athiests are open minded. The evidence points at there not being a god. So I for one believe that there is a 99.99% of there not being a god but I can not completely rule it out as I havent died yet.

Religious fanatics on the other hand believe there is 100% chance there is a god even though all the evidence would point at there not being one, especially when the evidence that they rely on is in there good book.

[Primemuscle]

It seems to me you could ask 1,000 atheists what they believe and you might get that many variations on the question of a higher power.  My guess is many atheists are fairly independent thinkers. After all, they are willing to go against the norm and admit to it. That takes courage.

[Tre]

power?

just wondering if theyve ever considerd macro-entities

ALL atheists don't fit into the same box.

[TrueBB93]

So how do you explain Dr. Laurence Browns Story?  remember he was an atheist and like many here aruged against there being a higher power.

3:05-13:50 if your short on time.

ultrasound dosent lie...

[Nomad]

i can think of a few


higher = wattage = lightening is a higher power than electrons

That still doesnt make any sense. Electrons by themselves are just charge and wattage measures power or charge*voltage/time. So....

[avxo]

So how do you explain Dr. Laurence Browns Story?  remember he was an atheist and like many here aruged against there being a higher power.

That's a silly question. Why are you asking us to explain someone elses' actions? Is there a rational reason for me to attempt to do so? Sidenote and preemptive comment: his claiming to have been an atheist who then converted to Islam is not a rational reason.

[avxo]

That still doesnt make any sense. Electrons by themselves are just charge and wattage measures power or charge*voltage/time. So....

charge times voltage over time? What?

[TrueBB93]

That's a silly question. Why are you asking us to explain someone elses' actions? Is there a rational reason for me to attempt to do so? Sidenote and preemptive comment: his claiming to have been an atheist who then converted to Islam is not a rational reason.

Did you watch the vid?