Do all atheists not beleive in a higher power, do they feel they are the highest

[avxo]

Did you watch the vid?

No. Why would I? The simple fact is that I am not particularly interested in hearing what he has to say - he's just some atheist became a Muslim and that doesn't have any bearing on me.

With that said, is there something specific you think that I should watch? If so, what is it and why should I take the time?

[TrueBB93]

No. Why would I? The simple fact is that I am not particularly interested in hearing what he has to say - he's just some atheist became a Muslim and that doesn't have any bearing on me.

With that said, is there something specific you think that I should watch? If so, what is it and why should I take the time?

It is about proof of god. His quest to find the true religion comes AFTER his incident in the hospital(the part i asked you to watch). He becomes Muslim after searching and researching, he discribes that in the second part...hence why i said skip to 3:05 -13:50, the part about his daughters heart problem...He dosent even talk about his becoming Muslim until much later...


No ones forcing you to watch the video, I just wondered how an atheist will explain what happens in the video @ 3:05-13:50...

[BigRo]

Athiests generally believe in a complete cessation of existence apon the death of the physical body and that consciousness and spirit are just the by product of the bodys life. So for them there is nothing higher than the bodily life to which their existence depends.

Those who have gone deeply in to meditation have the experience of being a consciousness/spirit/existence which is ever alive and free from dependency on physical life.

[Roger Bacon]

i can think of a few

  higher = longitude (north/south) = north america is a higher power than south america

Who says North is the top, and not South?

[NordicNerd]

power?

just wondering if theyve ever considerd macro-entities

It's a difference between playing with ideas and believing. Toying with the idea of "macro" entities/ phenomena is interesting, but its a far stretch to go from there to saying that there is a man in the sky who made man in his image and has opinions on masturbation, marriage, gay sex and so on. The cosmos is to large to worry about such minutiae.

Just wanted to get this off my chest: christianity/judaism/islam is pure nonsense and the term "atheism" should not really be necessary, because in a world of truly intelligent creatures, nobody would believe in such nonsense.

NN

[Thick Nick]

It really is all there if you just think about it... Atheist or believer alike. A simple statement:

Knowledge is power.

Eating the apple to gain knowledge = bad. "The Gods" didn't want that. So the "God" who gave away knowledge gets labeled "Satan" for making humans closer to the gods. In that simple symbolic story we have the creation of good and evil.

This is the basis for new world order teachings, the search for knowledge because knowledge is power. We can BE the gods. Satan wasn't the bad guy, he liberated us by giving us knowledge. So basically the gods were the bad guys for trying to keep us down. Deep stuff if you read into it. The deep part is really who was good and who was evil in the stories.

My opinion? On a simplistic level, mythology and bible stories were based on actual events but misinterpreted. Gods were flesh and blood visitors and DID fashion us in their image. Our thirst for knowledge and to be thier equals made them leave, and allowed us to hide the truths and turn it into religion... a man made business to turn a profit. Not a big fan of organized religion. I have faith though... it is just not divinity based.

[Radical Plato]

[Man of Steel]

Tremendous thread....God bless!!

[Agnostic007]

It is about proof of god. His quest to find the true religion comes AFTER his incident in the hospital(the part i asked you to watch). He becomes Muslim after searching and researching, he discribes that in the second part...hence why i said skip to 3:05 -13:50, the part about his daughters heart problem...He dosent even talk about his becoming Muslim until much later...


No ones forcing you to watch the video, I just wondered how an atheist will explain what happens in the video @ 3:05-13:50...

For every adult "atheist" (remember we are all born atheists)  converted to a religion, there are people who can tell compelling stories of how they were christians etc and became atheists. Dan Barker author of Losing Faith in Faith and the VP of the Freedom From Religion Foundation was an evangelist at one point in his life. Would YOU benifit from hearing his personal testimony?  

[Red Hook]

I THINK IT MORE LIKELY THAT WE ARE GOD AND GOD IS US AND WE (GOD AND US AND ME AND YOU) HAVE AN ETERNAL MUTUAL CONSCIOUSNESS THAT WE ARE CONSTANTLY ADDING TO AND IMPROVING UPON WITH EVERY NEW LIFE AND EVERY NEW EXPERIENCE THAT EVER OCCURS.

you need to read the works of Isaac Asimov...what you speak of is called Gaia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_and_Earth

[Red Hook]

religion is a necessary invention as a it serves several purposes

1. To explain things that we did not have answers to.
 - When we die where we do go?
 - What is above the clouds
 - what is night and day
 - why should enslave or treat others wrongly (god didn't choose them)

2. To control the masses.
 - If you work hard in this life time and serve your superiors you will be rewarded in the next life time.
 - God is watching you, so do "good"
 - Follow the laws, god said that you should.

people with knowledge created religion as a tool. But somewhere it became too much to control.

[arce1988]

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”

― Marcus Aurelius

[Stefano]

watch this, How can you deny God?

Just because you lack the intelligence or free will to break free of your constraints dont expect everyone to subscribe to your life in prison. Some people are born to be slaves. Only those born of ignorance submit without question. Allah is a creation by the madman muhaaMAD. Islam steals from christianity and other religions For their tenants.  The koran was a book written using shit out of muahahahmed's ass.


I think all the destruction, and chaos muslims have caused over the centuries is a valid enough reson to deny allah.

[che]

GOD = DOG

[tbombz]

The evidence points at there not being a god.

would you be so kind as to provide me with a single piece of evidence that points at there not being a god.

[tbombz]

That still doesnt make any sense. Electrons by themselves are just charge and wattage measures power or charge*voltage/time. So....

my useage of the term "wattage" may have been incorrect.

[tbombz]

Who says North is the top, and not South?

it is completely arbitrary, yes thats true. but the general consensus is that we consider north to be "top" and "south" to be bottom" (look at any map or globe youve ever seen)

[tbombz]

the term "atheism" should not really be necessary, because in a world of truly intelligent creatures, nobody would believe in such nonsense.

NN

  because newton and descartes and socrates and others were unintelligent. 

[tbombz]

It really is all there if you just think about it... Atheist or believer alike. A simple statement:

Knowledge is power.

Eating the apple to gain knowledge = bad. "The Gods" didn't want that. So the "God" who gave away knowledge gets labeled "Satan" for making humans closer to the gods. In that simple symbolic story we have the creation of good and evil.

This is the basis for new world order teachings, the search for knowledge because knowledge is power. We can BE the gods. Satan wasn't the bad guy, he liberated us by giving us knowledge. So basically the gods were the bad guys for trying to keep us down. Deep stuff if you read into it. The deep part is really who was good and who was evil in the stories.

My opinion? On a simplistic level, mythology and bible stories were based on actual events but misinterpreted. Gods were flesh and blood visitors and DID fashion us in their image. Our thirst for knowledge and to be thier equals made them leave, and allowed us to hide the truths and turn it into religion... a man made business to turn a profit. Not a big fan of organized religion. I have faith though... it is just not divinity based.

put down the crack pipe and stop correlating folk tales with metaphysics. man made religous dogma is blasphmeous and ridiculous and has absolutely nothing to do with the philosophical subject of "god" (intelligent creating force/metaphysics)

[tbombz]

you need to read the works of Isaac Asimov...what you speak of is called Gaia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_and_Earth

  looked into it.  what im talking about is something very very different.

[tbombz]

religion is a necessary invention as a it serves several purposes

1. To explain things that we did not have answers to.
 - When we die where we do go?
 - What is above the clouds
 - what is night and day
 - why should enslave or treat others wrongly (god didn't choose them)

2. To control the masses.
 - If you work hard in this life time and serve your superiors you will be rewarded in the next life time.
 - God is watching you, so do "good"
 - Follow the laws, god said that you should.

people with knowledge created religion as a tool. But somewhere it became too much to control.

it is important to disassociate religion from "God" and spirituality.  while religion was probably created for reasons concerning power and control, belief in spirit and god were around long before such institutions.


people with "knowledge"?  name one single piece of knowledge.

[che]

would you be so kind as to provide me with a single piece of evidence that points at there not being a god.

Evidence of absence .

[tbombz]

Evidence of absence .

where?

[che]

where?

Absence of evidence

[YngiweRhoads]

Absence of Malice


















































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