ronnie coleman and phil heath, evolution of bodybuilding

[NarcissisticDeity]

No one says Phil is better 99.9% of people with eyesight can see Ronnie is waaay better.... I've seen Phil in person ... Not that impressive as other pros I've seen and he was in a vest... Look past the arms... In person too the lack of width there is no hiding that....
His onstage conditioning great ... Good muscle shape
 

King Ron has spoken

[erics]

No doubt.

Would be good if he could get over it though.

[SF1900]

[affeman]

King Ron has spoken

I dont care what Ronnie says bc hes not a credible

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Neo said that

[affeman]

[DroppingPlates]

Phil got owned in every muscle fiber

[anabolichalo]

Phil got owned in every muscle fiber

i think philip has better calves

[DroppingPlates]

i think philip has better calves

While being flexed yes, but else not so much.

[erics]

Phil's back looks better balanced (Ronnie's traps dominate too much) because of the way he does the pose.

In anycase, you don't have to be better than a retired bodybuilder to win. You only have to be better than who competes on the same stage with you.

If Ronnie had kept up his 1998 and 1999 form he would probaby still be winning Olympias.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Scaling in that sucks

[SF1900]

Coleman >Heath

[BILL ANVIL]

seen Heath in person i didnt even do a double take like I do when i usually see someone huge.

[erics]

seen Heath in person i didnt even do a double take like I do when i usually see someone huge.

I saw him in person too and like you, I didn't do a double take either.

But that is not an argument for how good or bad his (or any other) physique is.

[BILL ANVIL]

I saw him in person too and like you, I didn't do a double take either.

But that is not an argument for how good or bad his (or any other) physique is.

well it counts for something but I just dont know what. it does show hes missing something crucial.

[Yev33]

Phil may be the best BB'er today, but it's ludicrous to say he is the best ever. He can't hang with Coleman or Yates on muscularity, and he can't touch a '93 Flex on symmetry and aesthetics.

[flinstones1]

seen Heath in person i didnt even do a double take like I do when i usually see someone huge.

Ive heard numerous people say this. blows my mind how the Mr. O cant even turn heads..... Is it just because he's so narrow? 

[BILL ANVIL]

Ive heard numerous people say this. blows my mind how the Mr. O cant even turn heads..... Is it just because he's so narrow? 

lack of width i guess, structure, density. supposed to be a colossal biblical like figure and when i see him its like, 'meh' just not my idea of impressive or deserving of a sandow. jmo. any idea on this mr. o's chest size?

[OTHstrong]

No one says Phil is better 99.9% of people with eyesight can see Ronnie is waaay better.... I've seen Phil in person ... Not that impressive as other pros I've seen and he was in a vest... Look past the arms... In person too the lack of width there is no hiding that....
His onstage conditioning great ... Good muscle shape
 

Why would I write that if no one is saying that? erics is saying that (pay attention), he is saying that Phil would beat the later verions of Ronnie like the 04 and 05 version where and I quote  `bloated sack`and `garbage``
 he used to describe Ronnie`s physique

[OTHstrong]

Ive heard numerous people say this. blows my mind how the Mr. O cant even turn heads..... Is it just because he's so narrow? 

He has a face that looks very young and the clothes he wears are all loose fitting and of course he has a narrow structure. When you see him with his clothes on, it`s true you are not impressed, but role up you sleeve and his right beside each other and you will feel like you never worked out a day in your life.

Also when he takes of his shirt, it is like WTF how can a human look like that, oh he turns head then alright, it is mind bogglings, his proportion are insane and makes you feel like he is plastic or something that is how freaky he is in real life with his shirt off, so freaky in fact he looks like he is 300lb, unbelievable how much his muscles just hangs off the bone, trust me Heath is a freak of nature to anyone who knows bodybuilding.

[Dr Dutch]

C'mon aardappeleter, be nice to him

[erics]

Why would I write that if no one is saying that? erics is saying that (pay attention), he is saying that Phil would beat the later verions of Ronnie like the 04 and 05 version where and I quote  `bloated sack`and `garbage``
 he used to describe Ronnie`s physique

That's not what I said so let me clarify.

The current Phil Heath SHOULD beat the latter version of Ronnie because Ronnie BECAME a bloated sack and looked like garbage.

But that doesn't mean he would beat him because for a while now the judges seem to have prefered garbage.

Now, to clarify that statement further let me say this:

Phil Heath has yet to ruin his physique the way Ronnie Coleman did. If he does ruin it, then he will also deserve to be labelled a bloated sack and garbage.

Judges and fans should never reward bodybuilders who, by trying to get bigger and bigger, make themselves look worse and worse.

That is my opinion and the standard that I hold to when 'judging' bodybuilders.

Hope that helps.

[OTHstrong]

OH my bad, so you still agree that the judges would still give the nod to Ronnie in 05 over a prime Heath?

[erics]

OH my bad, so you still agree that the judges would still give the nod to Ronnie in 05 over a prime Heath?

Judges are capable of anything.

[OTHstrong]

True but although Ronnie did look worse in 04 and 05, he still was the best physique on those days.