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« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2014, 08:42:32 PM »

I was thinking the same thing.

Hit a wall early in 2013 and I could not make any progress, then I had a nagging knee and shoulder injury. On top of all this I turned 30 and it was really beginning to mess with my head thinking that my best training days are behind me.

I had to take a very critical look at what I was doing and completely overhauled my training.

Still have to work on the squat (385x1), deadlift(440x4), and clean and press (185x1).
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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2014, 01:35:40 AM »

I was thinking the same thing.

Hit a wall early in 2013 and I could not make any progress, then I had a nagging knee and shoulder injury. On top of all this I turned 30 and it was really beginning to mess with my head thinking that my best training days are behind me.

I had to take a very critical look at what I was doing and completely overhauled my training.

Still have to work on the squat (385x1), deadlift(440x4), and clean and press (185x1).

30 ? you´re in your Prime !  Grin
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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2014, 09:15:47 AM »

30 ? you´re in your Prime !  Grin

I am 31 now  Grin
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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2014, 10:32:18 AM »

I am 31 now  Grin
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« Reply #54 on: October 19, 2014, 04:46:23 PM »

I was thinking the same thing.

Hit a wall early in 2013 and I could not make any progress, then I had a nagging knee and shoulder injury. On top of all this I turned 30 and it was really beginning to mess with my head thinking that my best training days are behind me.

I had to take a very critical look at what I was doing and completely overhauled my training.

Still have to work on the squat (385x1), deadlift(440x4), and clean and press (185x1).



what is you BW?... those are not big lifts
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« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2014, 05:06:44 PM »


what is you BW?... those are not big lifts

195lbs.

Among "enhanced" people 5 plate deadlift, 4 plate squat, 3 plate bench, 2 plate clean and press, and 12 reps pull ups/chin ups with an additional 45lb plate is probably fairly common.  But for a natural I would say that is pretty good.

In 12 years of training in various gyms I can count the number of people I have seen do one of these lifts on one hand. Never seen a natural be able to do all five.

I have seen one person do all 5 and he was far from natural.
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« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2014, 05:08:24 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2014, 05:19:07 PM »

I am not saying this is impossible and has never been done. I am not saying that my expirience represents every single person who trains. This is why I figured it would be interesting to see how this fares among a wider range of people.

If you are natural and can do all 5 IMO that is very impressive. You would be the second person I heard of doing it..
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« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2014, 05:23:06 PM »

Here is a challenge that I am giving my self and anyone else who is interested.
5. Deadlift 5 plates
4. Squat 4 plates
3. Bench 3 plates
2. Clean and Press 2 plates
1. Chin ups/pull ups 12 reps with 1 plate of added weight

IMO anyone that can hit ALL of these numbers is a very strong individual all around and will have the muscle mass to show for it. Not today's IFBB or high level NPC big, but something along the lines of an NFL running back.

Now I know that these numbers are not astounding but for a natural they are pretty damn good.




I have news for you. An NFL running back is stronger, faster and has more power than a professional bodybuilder.
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« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2014, 05:25:20 PM »

I have news for you. An NFL running back is stronger, faster and has more power than a professional bodybuilder.

Absolutely! Actually that is exactly the type of athlete I had in mind when I came up with this.
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« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2014, 05:27:58 PM »

When you achieve this have someone film it with a phone. It would be really impressive to see.
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« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2014, 05:31:06 PM »

not trying to start a pissing contest and i don't want to be a dick... but here are my bests (approx)...

5. Deadlift 700sih (i pull today but do a max set of 4 plates for 8-10)
4. Squat 600ish (in the gym, wide stance but low)
3. Bench 440 for 2
2. Clean and Press 285
1. Chin ups/pull ups something like what you posted... but I weigh 230 at 6' and do these regularly for multiple sets
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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2014, 05:33:45 PM »

Wooo, that's insane strength. 
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« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2014, 05:34:10 PM »

Absolutely, a video is worth a million internet claims.

I put up a video of the 315bench on page 2, I just hit that last week. I will get a video of the 12 rep pull ups/chinups with a 45 soon ( so far these two are the only ones I can do). I will keep updating this thread as I go along.
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« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2014, 05:35:59 PM »

not trying to start a pissing contest and i don't want to be a dick... but here are my bests (approx)...

5. Deadlift 700sih (i pull today but do a max set of 4 plates for 8-10)
4. Squat 600ish (in the gym, wide stance but low)
3. Bench 440 for 2
2. Clean and Press 285
1. Chin ups/pull ups something like what you posted... but I weigh 230 at 6' and do these regularly for multiple sets

That is beyond impressive. If you are natural that is truly mind blowing.
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« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2014, 05:36:01 PM »

Absolutely, a video is worth a million internet claims.

I put up a video of the 315bench on page 2, I just hit that last week. I will get a video of the 12 rep pull ups/chinups with a 45 soon ( so far these two are the only ones I can do). I will keep updating this thread as I go along.

be as public as you want... as i stated before i'm not trying to compete with anyone... believe what you want


Wooo, that's insane strength.  

i've trained with many stronger men... but i should note thati have always been strong... most of my lifts are lower these days but i'm more of a runner now (for obstacle course training)
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« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2014, 07:01:27 PM »

be as public as you want... as i stated before i'm not trying to compete with anyone... believe what you want


i've trained with many stronger men... but i should note thati have always been strong... most of my lifts are lower these days but i'm more of a runner now (for obstacle course training)

I was not trying to take a shot at you. There are members here that I respect and won't  question their claims, you are one of them. This is the main reason I posted this on the training board rather than the G&O.

Unlike you, I have not always been strong. I was 19 years old and 133lbs when I first started training. My max bench was 135lbs. squat was around the same. I was not a top high school or college athlete so I didn't get a chance to train around people who were genetically gifted. So my point of view is a bit different.


 
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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2014, 06:15:57 AM »

be as public as you want... as i stated before i'm not trying to compete with anyone... believe what you want


i've trained with many stronger men... but i should note thati have always been strong... most of my lifts are lower these days but i'm more of a runner now (for obstacle course training)

I have never been in a gym and seen anyone do a 700lb deadlift. I've seen it in powerlifting competitions. A conventional 700lbs deadlift is elite strength.
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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2014, 08:43:30 AM »

WOOO seems like a cool guy...never got the impression he was prone to exaggeration, so going by the lifts he posted.. What would be the point anyway. Really very few others I can say that about on GB. Flights of delusion are extremely common on GB, based on false ego and/or wanting to be noticed. Lonely people come here daily (actually never seem to leave, but for a couple of hours). And other guy's just  angry most of the time.

700lb DL, not that uncommon, but still impressive. Depending on the ratio of bwt to the weight lifted, can be even more impressive. 400lb bench, getting fairly common, with the new watermark being 500 in most lifting circles. That's what is the new goal or standard of achievement. Of course these are instinctive strongmen, training with strongmen goals.  Who just have the passion for lifting very heavy weight.....some are juiced, some not. 100+ years ago  the old timers were lifting ungodly amounts of weight...no juice back then.  Maybe except for lots of meat and beer, it that could count as "juice".                    

Majority of heavy DL'ers break the lift into 3 phases  in training. Watched a few Olympic lifters, not actually
doing any DL'ing in training, DL 700 + fairly well. Those 400-500 rep cleans from the floor help quite a bit.  

Looks like Yez33 has a natural pull and a not so natural push...hence the lower bench press but the higher chinning strength. Which means a  goal of 400 can be that much more of a challenge.  The average experienced BB'er/trainee, after years in the gym, usually will max out around 320 to 350 in the bench. Which is very good actually.

Don't know what Yez33's workout protocols are, and he might have done this type of training before, but might suggest suggest partial rep lockouts and middle range. Along with working the weakest point of the bench, the starting point off the chest...also using partial reps.  Might also suggest to never go to a point of failure in any training session. Leave 1 or 2 reps short of failure. Yez33 can take all this for what's it's worth.

Good to set goals, but probably best for setting little progressive goals. If wanting to bench (for example) 300 and are currently doing 205, set your goal at 215 and work towards that end. When hitting 215, with 3 to 5 reps (and you will) set the next goal at 225, etc, etc, etc. Upward and onward..as it were.

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« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2014, 08:55:20 AM »

500 x 3  on the deads clean

450x 5 squat juiced

300 x 4/5 inc bench juiced

215 x 3/5 stand press juiced

Bent row 360 x 5/8 juiced

Wide chins with 20kg x 5 clean


I hit my peak strength and physique wise at 25yr old, im now washed up at 33
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« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2014, 09:06:56 AM »

Keep the faith.  Been shown that male lifters seem to get better with age. 34 to 36 can be peak years. Than the curve begins to go down.

Good Luck.
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« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2014, 05:27:55 PM »

500 x 3  on the deads clean

450x 5 squat juiced

300 x 4/5 inc bench juiced

215 x 3/5 stand press juiced

Bent row 360 x 5/8 juiced

Wide chins with 20kg x 5 clean


I hit my peak strength and physique wise at 25yr old, im now washed up at 33

Those numbers are pretty much in line with what I have seen through out the years among serious lifters.

Most impressive I have personally witnessed was a 5 plate raw bench and a 315 for 3 standing overhead press ( not by the same person)

Most impressive natural lift I have seen was a 5 plate per side legit squat. The guy was about 6'0" 215lbs. He couldn't pull 5 plates though or bench 3 plates (he was pretty close however).

 I have seen one legit natural 315 bench, big guy (not lean by any standard) was about 6'3" 275 lbs. Did not train any of the lower body lifts though.

I have seen several 185-205lb natural clean and presses. Excellent form, utilized the leg drive very well. Couldn't touch a 315 bench or a 405 squat.

Have seen several 5 plate natural deadlifts, once again could not touch a 3 plate bench or a 4 plate squat.

I would have to say that from what I have seen, a legit 4 plate squat and a legit 3 plate bench are the most rare.

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« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2014, 01:35:42 AM »

Should point out that some of my lifts were at a much higher BW. I played college ball at 320 lbs. .. Guard.

Too short and at a 4.95 too slow to go beyond that... but I was a fucking plug pulling or kicking out...
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« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2014, 01:37:53 AM »

I have never been in a gym and seen anyone do a 700lb deadlift. I've seen it in powerlifting competitions. A conventional 700lbs deadlift is elite strength.


I remember getting kicked out the first day i hit it with my buddy. We both hit 685 and then 700 and slammed the weights... scarred the shit out of the old ladies on the treadmills
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« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2014, 04:20:19 AM »

Those numbers are pretty much in line with what I have seen through out the years among serious lifters.

Most impressive I have personally witnessed was a 5 plate raw bench and a 315 for 3 standing overhead press ( not by the same person)

Most impressive natural lift I have seen was a 5 plate per side legit squat. The guy was about 6'0" 215lbs. He couldn't pull 5 plates though or bench 3 plates (he was pretty close however).

 I have seen one legit natural 315 bench, big guy (not lean by any standard) was about 6'3" 275 lbs. Did not train any of the lower body lifts though.

I have seen several 185-205lb natural clean and presses. Excellent form, utilized the leg drive very well. Couldn't touch a 315 bench or a 405 squat.

Have seen several 5 plate natural deadlifts, once again could not touch a 3 plate bench or a 4 plate squat.

I would have to say that from what I have seen, a legit 4 plate squat and a legit 3 plate bench are the most rare.




I've always lagged behind on chest movements, was ok on everything else, trying to push past those numbers left me with lots of injuries and torn muscles

Some of the most impressive feats I've seen are 7 plate deadlift and 5 plate bent row, same guy

5 plate raw bench, superset into 120lb db fls

Seen a realy skinny kid rep out 3 plates at ease on the bench, im talking 10 / 12 rep

these were all done in a tiny comunity centre gym too suprisingly
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