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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2013, 04:53:14 AM » |
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Very misleading......didn't say handguns...said rifles and hardly anyone goes on a shooting spree with one.
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2013, 11:38:21 AM » |
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all of this american't propaganda includes manipulated statistics
What data was manipulated in the eyes of Canadian jack asses? |
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2013, 11:39:06 AM » |
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What data was manipulated in the eyes of Canadian jack asses?
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2013, 11:42:17 AM » |
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Again, it appears that semi automatic hand guns are the real problem so let's get everyone to swap their semi automatic handgun for a hammer
surely gun nuts would have no problem that because hammers are obviously a sufficient way to kill people so there is really no need to have a gun
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2013, 11:45:43 AM » |
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2013, 11:53:00 AM » |
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Again, it appears that semi automatic hand guns are the real problem so let's get everyone to swap their semi automatic handgun for a hammer
surely gun nuts would have no problem that because hammers are obviously a sufficient way to kill people so there is really no need to have a gun
Straw so you support a new AWB |
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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2013, 11:54:10 AM » |
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Straw so you support a new AWB
I told you to stop asking me anymore questions until you answer mine |
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2013, 01:50:49 PM » |
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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2013, 01:52:53 PM » |
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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2013, 02:39:49 PM » |
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I told you to stop asking me anymore questions until you answer mine
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2013, 02:41:25 PM » |
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I told you to stop asking me anymore questions until you answer mine
I answered your question the first time it was posed to me. Please answer my question, are you in favor of a new AWB? |
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2013, 03:24:17 PM » |
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I wonder how many people Lanza could have killed with a hammer
I'm sure he could have killed his mother but she was sleeping
other than that I doubt he could have killed or even really hurt anyone seriously before he was stopped
he also couldn't have killed himself with the hammer
damn, I think we just solved the gun violence problem in this country
way to go 333
Really, you solved nothing, most guns used in violent crimes are not registered or are not legally obtained. lol you think gangsters go the store to buy guns. In fact you made it a lot worse cause now the violent criminals have access to their guns through the black market as they always did and the law abiding citizens don`t, so the killing will increase. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2013, 03:27:39 PM » |
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Really, you solved nothing, most guns used in violent crimes are not registered or are not legally obtained. lol you think gangsters go the store to buy guns. In fact you made it a lot worse cause now the violent criminals have access to their guns through the black market as they always did and the law abiding citizens don`t, so the killing will increase.
so you don't think hammers are a solution to gun violence really? are you sure? |
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2013, 03:33:59 PM » |
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so you don't think hammers are a solution to gun violence
really?
are you sure?
My point is that the gun laws do not take any guns away from the bad guy only the good guys. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2013, 03:39:25 PM » |
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My point is that the gun laws do not take any guns away from the bad guy only the good guys.
Do you think it takes guns away from the normal law abiding sane person who in a momentary lapse of intense anger or passion gets his gun and shoots their spouse? |
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2013, 03:48:18 PM » |
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Do you think it takes guns away from the normal law abiding sane person who in a momentary lapse of intense anger or passion gets his gun and shoots their spouse?
That is like saying let`s walk from New York to LA instead of driving, hey look on the bright side we save on gas. Small flee in the great scheme of things |
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2013, 03:49:54 PM » |
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Do you think it takes guns away from the normal law abiding sane person who in a momentary lapse of intense anger or passion gets his gun and shoots their spouse?
Someone in that situation will choke, stab, or strangle a person regardless |
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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2013, 03:52:41 PM » |
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Someone in that situation will choke, stab, or strangle a person regardless
You are right, the victim will not only die but suffer tremendously |
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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2013, 03:58:21 PM » |
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Someone in that situation will choke, stab, or strangle a person regardless
You are right, the victim will not only die but suffer tremendously
That is like saying let`s walk from New York to LA instead of driving, hey look on the bright side we save on gas. Small flee in the great scheme of things
This is one of the argument against guns. I for one support the right to bear arms and support the right to bear all kinds of them. But, in response to counters.... A gun is swift, often easily accessible, and devastating on a level far and above: hands, hammers, etc. Making survivability extremely lower. |
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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2013, 05:15:36 PM » |
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the same could be said for defending yourself.
you can still try and defend yourself without a gun but with a gun it evens the playing field making it swifter and on a level far more devastating than hammers, hands etc.
Why would you try and disarm 99.9% of gun owners b/c a handful of legal gun owners lose it and kill someone?
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« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2013, 05:25:37 PM » |
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the same could be said for defending yourself.
you can still try and defend yourself without a gun but with a gun it evens the playing field making it swifter and on a level far more devastating than hammers, hands etc.
Why would you try and disarm 99.9% of gun owners b/c a handful of legal gun owners lose it and kill someone?
I know, but you are changing the argument there. |
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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2013, 05:33:44 PM » |
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I disagree, opposing side of the same argument
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« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2013, 05:38:01 PM » |
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I disagree, opposing side of the same argument
OK then maybe the next question would be the numbers. # of anger/passion related murders and accidental shootings versus successful defenses with fire arms? |
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« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2013, 05:47:29 PM » |
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OK then maybe the next question would be the numbers.
# of anger/passion related murders and accidental shootings versus successful defenses with fire arms?
you will have to give me the numbers so I can compare. Either way, I dont see how you can take away my guns b/c of the actions of others. How many ppl are killed by drunk drivers every year? were not trying to ban alcohol or cars... |
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2013, 05:51:39 PM » |
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you will have to give me the numbers so I can compare.
Either way, I dont see how you can take away my guns b/c of the actions of others.
How many ppl are killed by drunk drivers every year? were not trying to ban alcohol or cars...
Like i said earlier, i am not for banning guns or assault weapons. Just trying to follow the arguments and see where they go with out all the fighting. |
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