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« Reply #100 on: January 08, 2013, 09:42:40 AM »

I will say it again, I was hooked on SCIENCE way before I became interested in BODYBUILDING.  I will also say, I never thought in a MILLION years that I would eventually come to disbelieve that Natural Selection was the sole force of Evolution on earth.  However, after reading some new and interesting materials on Chaos and Complexity Theory, Information Theory(Quantum and classical),Quantum Conciousness, and Fractal Geometry, I had an epiphany, and can no longer accept the DOGMA.  I expect to get heat, I mean after all, I am challenging one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time.  But hey, when Einstein FLIPPED Newtonian Physics upside down, everyone called him "stupid" and "crazy".

NATURAL SELECTION, as a mechanism of action for evolution, has many fundamental scientific and philosophical problems.  MANY modern scientists are challenging the Darwin dogma, I encourage you to conduct your own research, ie, GOOGLE! Smiley

Although it's not my main area of research, I've done work in complex dynamical systems theory and have had it cited by a respected philosopher of science in his published research. I presently have a paper in my inbox that I've been asked to read from a well-known researcher in emergence theory. Without giving too much away, it deals with nonlinearity, fractals, complexity, and absentials. I haven't read it closely because I'm busy with other stuff, but I was flattered that he sent it to me for some input. I've read what you've written here at the Getbig Institute for Advanced Studies, and I feel qualified to say:

1. You're challenging squat. My guess is that you're merely reading "pop science" versions of serious reserch.
2. You're not presenting an iota of original research.
3. Hahahahahahah to you and Einstein.

I'm with haider and some others on this: I hope for your sake that you're just fucking around.
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« Reply #101 on: January 08, 2013, 09:43:11 AM »

Intelligence is not a "living quality", this is what Quantum Physics has revealed! Smiley

no it has not, what are you talking about specifically, you keep mentioning theories but never expand, sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Intelligence, sentience requires a brain, we know this because intelligence and sentience decreases on a scale as brain structure, neural connections decrease. Quantum physics has stated no such thing, collapsing of the wave function does not prove anything but wave/particle duality and quantum entanglement if that is what you are getting at is well described.

this is what you sound like " through reading things like quantum loop gravity, supersymmetry and new state of lattice water it's obvious natural selection doesn't account for everything." meanwhile you mention stupid ideas like the holographic universe (terrible fucking book).
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« Reply #102 on: January 08, 2013, 09:54:44 AM »

I will say it again, I was hooked on SCIENCE way before I became interested in BODYBUILDING.  I will also say, I never thought in a MILLION years that I would eventually come to disbelieve that Natural Selection was the sole force of Evolution on earth.  However, after reading some new and interesting materials on Chaos and Complexity Theory, Information Theory(Quantum and classical),Quantum Conciousness, and Fractal Geometry, I had an epiphany, and can no longer accept the DOGMA.  I expect to get heat, I mean after all, I am challenging one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time.  But hey, when Einstein FLIPPED Newtonian Physics upside down, everyone called him "stupid" and "crazy".

NATURAL SELECTION, as a mechanism of action for evolution, has many fundamental scientific and philosophical problems.  MANY modern scientists are challenging the Darwin dogma, I encourage you to conduct your own research, ie, GOOGLE! Smiley

1. You seem confused about the nature of what you're trying to assert: asserting that natural selection isn't the sole driver of evolution isn't the same as asserting that it is somehow flawed and thus susceptible to 'challenge'; these are two entirely different propositions you are conflating.

2. It's a tired strategy to attack positions nobody holds, but an all too common move all the same (hence its having its own linguistic coinage, the 'straw man fallacy.'). You've yet to establish that any reputed expert on the planet believes that natural selection is the sole driver of evolution, yet this is the supposed dogma you are challenging.

3. Speaking of your challenge, you've yet to make it. Blithely and confusedly equivocating between two assertions (see 1.) and then randomly uttering a string of technical terms ("Fibonacci," "fine-tuning," "Mayans," "guido") does not constitute a challenge to anything; it isn't even a coherent sequence of communication.

I am certainly NOT a "guido", check my blog and you can get an idea of who I am for yourself.

I took a gander at the blog and, in conjunction with your posts here, its content evinces someone who -- while apparently having a genuine interest in the material at hand -- has vastly overrated their own cognitive capacities (i.e., the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids...er) and simultaneously lacks the skill to thrash out an actual, coherent argument for others to evaluate.

Then again, if the IQ claims are accurate then you already know this and are just having a laugh. Do grace us with your magical theory if you've got the time, though.
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« Reply #103 on: January 08, 2013, 09:54:52 AM »

Ross = The New SMM   Cheesy
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« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2013, 10:13:07 AM »

1. You seem confused about the nature of what you're trying to assert: asserting that natural selection isn't the sole driver of evolution isn't the same as asserting that it is somehow flawed and thus susceptible to 'challenge'; these are two entirely different propositions you are conflating.

2. It's a tired strategy to attack positions nobody holds, but an all too common move all the same (hence its having its own linguistic coinage, the 'straw man fallacy.'). You've yet to establish that any reputed expert on the planet believes that natural selection is the sole driver of evolution, yet this is the supposed dogma you are challenging.

3. Speaking of your challenge, you've yet to make it. Blithely and confusedly equivocating between two assertions (see 1.) and then randomly uttering a string of technical terms ("Fibonacci," "fine-tuning," "Mayans," "guido") does not constitute a challenge to anything; it isn't even a coherent sequence of communication.

I took a gander at the blog and, in conjunction with your posts here, its content evinces someone who -- while apparently having a genuine interest in the material at hand -- has vastly overrated their own cognitive capacities (i.e., the Dunning-Kruger effect on steroids...er) and simultaneously lacks the skill to thrash out an actual, coherent argument for others to evaluate.

Then again, if the IQ claims are accurate then you already know this and are just having a laugh. Do grace us with your magical theory if you've got the time, though.

This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.

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« Reply #105 on: January 08, 2013, 10:16:05 AM »

This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.


Please let us know in what periodical/journal your next article will be published. Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #106 on: January 08, 2013, 10:18:13 AM »

Well I guess the only thing we can take from this thread is that having a supposedly high IQ doesn't prevent you from being a douchedick moron.
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« Reply #107 on: January 08, 2013, 10:37:38 AM »



Why did you have to undergo a psychological evaluation? Were you institutionalized? Was the WISC-III part of your psychosocial report?

In any case, you seem to have been a very bright boy (the WISC is for kids). But, based on the content of your posts and career moves (opportunities?), you seem to have regressed (perhaps you've undergone a "regression toward the mean").

It's also telling that you want to defend your "intelligence" on a BB board. I suspect that you can get over having a bodypart dismissed as weak or inadequate easier than having your intelligence dismissed as deficient or stupid.
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« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2013, 10:46:36 AM »

This wasn't intended to be a thesis, it was merely a thought provoking post.  Of course I have a much more thorough and coherent theory of the MULTIVERSE, but it wold require that my audience have at least a fundamental understanding of Quantum Physics, Classical Physics, EMERGENT PROPERTIES, fractal gemoetry, and THE BRAIN.




I'll admit, I know nothing of it.  Cry
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« Reply #109 on: January 08, 2013, 07:43:12 PM »

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« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2013, 04:01:43 PM »

Chapter 5 of the Tao Te Ching begins with the lines "Heaven and Earth are heartless / treating creatures like straw dogs".


Su Ch'e commentary on this verse explains: "Heaven and Earth are not partial. They do not kill living things out of cruelty or give them birth out of kindness. We do the same when we make straw dogs to use in sacrifices. We dress them up and put them on the altar, but not because we love them. And when the ceremony is over, we throw them into the street, but not because we hate them."
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« Reply #111 on: January 09, 2013, 08:17:59 PM »

So, basically Ross Erstling posts the KNOWLEDGE of other people, while calling himself a true scientist lol.
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« Reply #112 on: January 09, 2013, 08:19:15 PM »

So, basically Ross Erstling posts the KNOWLEDGE of other people, while calling himself a true scientist lol.
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« Reply #113 on: January 09, 2013, 08:20:39 PM »

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Pretty much. Even if has a genius IQ, what does that mean? He has not done anything useful with it, except start a supplement company out of his dads warehouse. No real contribution to society.
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« Reply #114 on: January 09, 2013, 08:21:02 PM »

  Stanford Binet  Wink      and I will be happy
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« Reply #115 on: January 09, 2013, 08:21:58 PM »

Pretty much. Even if has a genius IQ, what does that mean? He has not done anything useful with it, except start a supplement company out of his dads warehouse. No real contribution to society.
who knows what standardized test he took. if it was normalized to other guidos it doesn't mean much does it  Huh
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« Reply #116 on: January 09, 2013, 08:23:41 PM »

who knows what standardized test he took. if it was normalized to other guidos it doesn't mean much does it  Huh

He posted the results above. ITs from the WISC - III, a very standardized test.
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« Reply #117 on: January 09, 2013, 08:24:47 PM »

He posted the results above. ITs from the WISC - III, a very standardized test.
ok i missed it  Grin
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« Reply #118 on: January 09, 2013, 08:26:31 PM »

ok i missed it  Grin
he doesn't mention what age he took it at. It's possible for children to have high IQs with specialised training at an early age, but they fall back to average as they get older.
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« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2013, 08:27:02 PM »

ok i missed it  Grin

 Grin Grin

Even so, what he has he done with his genius, except start a supplement company, and post the knowledge of others on GB?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Undecided Undecided
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« Reply #120 on: January 09, 2013, 08:27:40 PM »

What good does a supercomputer do if the only software it can run is Minesweeper?
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« Reply #121 on: January 09, 2013, 08:32:10 PM »

What good does a supercomputer do if the only software it can run is Minesweeper?
are you saying he's autistic?  Cheesy

Grin Grin

Even so, what he has he done with his genius, except start a supplement company, and post the knowledge of others on GB?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Undecided Undecided
I hate commenting on people's intelligence (because its not nice, and who am I to tell someone what they are capable of) but he's putting it out there himself. He just hasn't shown us anything here that's too noteworthy. Not to ofcourse say that he can't, just that he hasn't.
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« Reply #122 on: January 09, 2013, 08:35:18 PM »

are you saying he's autistic?  Cheesy
I hate commenting on people's intelligence (because its not nice, and who am I to tell someone what they are capable of) but he's putting it out there himself. He just hasn't shown us anything here that's too noteworthy. Not to ofcourse say that he can't, just that he hasn't.

He will just keep posting the same stuff over and over again. Not an original thought in that pea brain.
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« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2013, 10:47:07 PM »

Evolution of life has occured here on planet Earth, that is an incontrovertible scientific fact. The fossil record does not lie. However, the MECHANISM of action–meaning, HOW evolution took place, has not been adequately excplained. Natural Selection is true, and plays a large role in the evolution of life, but it certainly isn’t the whole picture. It would take an absolute leap of FAITH for me to believe that something as complex and intricately functioning as the BRAIN arose simply from random mutations and the subtle pressures of natural selection. As a true scientist and philosopher, I don’t make leaps of faith, but rather, I believe in the EVIDENCE, and simply can not accept that Natural Selection is the SOLE cause for ALL of the magnificent and incredible diversity and variation of life here on Earth. Information theory prohibits such a misplaced and unreasonable belief.

Information, as a law, must always come from an intelligent source such as a computer or a brain. Each and every one of the TRILLIONS of cells in our bodies has been programmed with brilliant mathematical instructions encoded in our DNA. The BRAIN, and all of life on earth, have been intricately and precisely developed, as the most powerful and brilliant TECHNOLOGY of our natural universe. WE as human beings are literally, as heinously complex carbon-based life forms, highly advanced organic TECHNOLOGICAL beings that have even created our OWN technologies, much in our own images. Perhaps our purpose is to continue to PRODUCE, to develop ever more complex technologies that eventually enable us to unlock the full potential of our own DNA(genetic information technology). All of life on earth is highly advanced organic technology, based on the brilliant mathematics of DNA. From the smallest bacterium to the largest fish in the sea, all of life has been progammed by an unmistakably intelligent source, far superior to that of human beings. It is plainly obvious that LIFE, as a complex form of natural organic technology, could not arise simply from random mutations. It is just not possible, and as I scientist, I just can’t believe that.

DOGMATISM exists even among the scientific community, something that I can now see as I have grown older, smarter, and wiser. I will be offering my hypothesis for how life and it’s astounding diversity and variation arose here on earth, using the new sciences of Systems Theory, Chaos and Complexity, Emergent Properties, Quantum Consciousness, Cynamics, and Sacred Geometrical Mathematics.

“Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of of the Universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man.”-Albert Einstein
 
“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.”-”The FOUNDER of Quantum Physics, Max Planck:


How nice. You have found some pseudo scientist mumbo jumbo bullshit, and now you think that you have a brains? You haven't, instead of that you have found how they sell even the silliest bullshit theories to the stupid people. Conspiracy theories are all the same, they give you some unproved claims and and loads of bullshit, and because you are unable to think it through with your own brains, you believe every word of that pile of shit. Evolution is proved, natural selection is proved, they have been in the moon, and the 9/11 isn't an inside job. Wake up, you moron, that all is bullshit. 
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« Reply #124 on: January 10, 2013, 05:53:10 AM »

MAN THE SOCIAL ANIMAL

Man, the human animal, must satisfy certain natural basic needs in order to survive. He must eat, drink, excrete, sleep, maintain adequate health and procreate. These needs constitute the innate nature of man.

But Man cannot live alone—he must enter into relationship with his fellows if he is to develop and maintain adequate mental and physical health. We know that this dependency of man on others is exhibited in the continuum of the life process, with the parent-offspring relationship and with his existence within the womb and during infancy. The organism is dependent upon the maternal organism for the satisfaction of its needs. This satisfaction is the result of biological co-operation between the embryo, or the infant, and the maternal organism. The maternal organism, too, can only exist so long as the cells and tissues which comprise it act in co-operation one with the other. An individual cannot live if, among other functions, the heart does not pump blood to circulate through the body or the lungs do not supply oxygen, or blood does not reach the brain. Food must be broken down and digested so that the ingredients necessary to replace worn tissue and the supply of vitamin and mineral needs to the body is assured—the whole process of co-operation within the individual. Man's life can only continue so long as his bodily function are co-operative — in short, where there is biological harmony.

The above brief look at man as an individual leads us to examine him as a social being — one who lives in a group, subject to the demands and pressures of modern society. The nature of this society is based upon economic conflict. That is, the strivings of one class, (the capitalist class) to maintain and extend its economic supremacy and control over the working class by virtue of its ownership of all the means of wealth production. Man, as a member of the working class, is something less than a man — he is a commodity to be bought and sold on the labour market, just as is a pound of sugar, a loaf of bread or a tube of toothpaste.

Inherent in this capitalist society is conflict between its component classes — the working class and the capitalist class. Concurrently with this is the existence of conflict between worker and worker, between capitalist and capitalist, whether individual, group or national capitalist. This conflict expresses itself in many forms. The struggle of the worker to obtain higher pay, lowered hours of work, improved conditions, or at best, the maintenance of his present conditions of life. For the capitalist class this conflict expresses itself in price-cutting, trade rivalries, search for markets, new methods of production, tariffs, Common Markets, preferred trade agreements, sanction, embargoes and, finally, force of arms — war. But this constant state of war in every human activities is in the nature of everything that exists and lives. Some people are fit for life while others aren't, and disapear if they cannot settle for a compromise. Individuals fight to find a place, and keep it, they're all fighting against younger or older people, people from the opposite sex in a marital relationship, fighting with their colleagues who are never friends, but always opponents, and against their own kids will to overpower them.

This struggle is the direct outcome of the economic basis of capitalist society, that is, the ownership of the means of life by a small minority and the consequent enslavement of the majority, the working class, a society whose existence is dependent upon the production of commodities for sale and profit, a society where competition, aggressiveness and rugged individualism are lauded and exalted as the finest of virtues. This conflict is apparent in the misery surrounding us, in the unemployed, the hunger amidst abundance, the anxiety over losing one's job, in industrial strife, in criminality, prostitution and its attendant evils, in nationalism, war, etc.

This condition exists because man's social organization is built upon a division based upon private property and its relationships, with its consequent innate conflicts and antagonisms. This malady is as easily curable as a tooth-ache from a decayed tooth—remove it and the pain ceases. Remove the private property basis from our society and replace it with common ownership in the means of life and we will enjoy a society which is socially in harmony with man's biological necessity. Biologically man can live only by co-operation economically and socially he will be forced to cooperate if he is to survive. This condition exists because man is an animal and this nature will never change, as a result this struggle inside the human specie will never stop; there will always be people richer, stronger, than others who will be frustrated while at the same time will have the strong desire to become like the people at the top of the pyramid. Basically noone is innocent as we are all by all means necessary and in our hands, fighting to insure a better survival for ourselves at the expense of others. The game and its rules will never change, as they are the same in the vegetal and animal world, everything that lives, exists, is submitted to these rules. Sometimes in the animal world, human specie included, individuals who cannot or do not want to play the game anymore kill themselves, which ultimately benefits those who will stay, unless their survival was dependant of the individual who remove, withdraw himself from the game. We are all dependant of someone else, of others as everything is interdependant. Most people accept this life as long as they have a satisfaction they can envision. Life is made of suffering to obtain a reward; the average man and suffer all day long fighting for his survival against other life forms, thinking about how he ll sit in his couch in the evening , to watch television while eating. Some people are also able to go through an unsatisfying, frustrating life that see them being submitted to people who torture them, because they are at the same preparing a better life for their offsprings; they are basically sacrifying their own hapiness for the planned hapiness of their offsprings later: they cannot dominate in their own life, but are making sure they do everything right so their offsprings will be able to dominate others later. Again, our inner animal nature is revealed here; hapiness is domination, you are happy when you can dominate, or when you can envision your own offspring dominating others. You are unhappy when you cannot dominate, or when you are submitted in vain with little or no reward (hope to produce an offspring that will dominate such making your existence not completely "useless"). Needless to say most atheists do not believe in having offsprings anymore and only live to satisfy themselves first and foremost, at all costs, not caring about the future generations, they only exist for themselves and everything they do or think is justified cause their own survival is the only thing that matters to them. Religious people live by the same rules, but they want their kids to dominate once adults, so it gives a meaning to their own existence and their daily struggle for survival; I am sacrifying myself so my kid will be able to dominate others. Wether you want to dominate or want your offspring to dominate, the point of life is essentially always the same; domination, as domination is hapiness.

People who think alike stick together, but even in their cooperative realtionship, there is always someone who dominates while the other is dominated. In friendship, in marital relationships, in school, at work, in the family. A follower follows willingly hoping to one day take the place of his, her, master, and learning his, her strategies of survival daily while taking note of his, her mistakes at the same time. We are machines that calculate how to adapt and survive, our brains are calculators that impregnate themselves with all surroungding strategies of survival we re exposed to just like sponge. In our free time and at night our brain selects, rearange, manages all these informations. A healthy brains allows its owner to dominate.

Poorly educated people produce an ever growing unskilled workforce that will be ressources for the higher social classes that will use them to produce goods they will sell, most of the time to the very same people who work for them. Poor people can climb the ladder by concurrencing each others until only one survives at the expense of others. Basically each human being is constantly at war with everyone else, every individual having something others dont have. They can either cooperate, dominate or submit each others in their daily interactions until a balance is found that will benefit to the group as a whole. Peace of mind is found when the individual can find a place that satisfies him in the big picture. The only way for someone who starts at the bottom of the pit to get at the top is to walk on other people's heads. It is easier to do so when the person at the top who select people below him shares common traits and affinities with you in the first place; a Boss wants people like him to help, second him, and will make someone's life he finds too different a misery until this person doesn't threaten his place, survival. Basically a patron can only manage people who submit to him and think alike, and will never be nice to someone who doesnt submit to him. He can tho tolerate them tho in order to torture them as a daily guilty pleasure while knowing full well he has them by the balls paying them their salary.  
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