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« on: January 09, 2013, 03:31:13 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/platinum-coin-white-house_n_2442073.html


The end is truly upon us if he does this. 

I would not be surprised since ObaMugabe acts like a 3rd world thug and marxist tyrant, but even this would be much. 

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2013, 06:55:37 PM »

feds gonna be injecting over a trillion into the economy next year already
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2013, 07:11:38 PM »

feds gonna be injecting over a trillion into the economy next year already

S0 - where does O-Madoff get the power to do this? 

You leftists really desire a dictator dont you?
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2013, 07:26:38 PM »

Amerika is so fucked.

Like how is minting a 1 trillion dollar coin to get around your own laws going to save your fucked economy.
Like my god man....stop spending so much money, its not rocket science!

That economy will NEVER crash, it will just degrade with time.
Any country that controls all their own debt and can print their own money is recession proof, for a time.

In time the dollar will be worth so little that its pointless. You dumb fucks.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2013, 07:30:10 PM »

I'm going to pretend I didn't read this.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2013, 07:31:00 PM »

I'm going to pretend I didn't read this.

Today We Saw A Major Turning Point For The Movement To Mint A Trillion Dollar Platinum Coin
 
Joe Weisenthal|Jan. 9, 2013, 7:13 PM|5,201|34
 
 


There's no question: Today was a major game-changer for the movement to circumvent the debt ceiling by minting a platinum coin, a strategy that would take advantage of an arcane area of the law relating to coinage.
 
Today White House press secretary Jay Carney was asked about whether The White House saw the coin as a viable option, and rather than shooting it down he just evaded the question.
 
The response from the media has been unanimous: Carney left the door open.
 
Here's the front of Marketwatch.com:


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/mint-the-coin-today-we-saw-a-major-game-changer-for-the-movement-to-mint-a-platinum-coin-2013-1#ixzz2HXHyUITr
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2013, 07:45:32 PM »

S0 - where does O-Madoff get the power to do this? 

You leftists really desire a dictator dont you?
i think he was given the power to do so in a mid-1990's law..   dont quote me though.

didnt say i agreed with the policy
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2013, 07:50:27 PM »

This is a story that would fit in more at The Onion.

This is how bad it's gotten.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2013, 07:51:48 PM »

Imagine if we could go back to like 1995 and warn people about the last decade.  We would be committed to a mental hospital.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2013, 07:53:49 PM »

This is a story that would fit in more at The Onion.

This is how bad it's gotten.

Krugman is salivating at the thought of this.
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2013, 12:59:05 PM »

January 10, 2013

Theater of the Absurd: Administration won't rule out minting $1 trillion platinum coin

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Much of the last 4 years has been a nightmare for conservatives. But there is a crazy, stupid, absurd idea being seriously discussed in Washington that makes previous nightmares from the White House pale in comparison.


The idea is for the Treasury Department to mint a platinum coin and declare it to be worth $1 trillion. If Congress won't raise the debt ceiling, the coin would be deposited at the Federal Reserve and Obama could continue to spend money.


Congress passed a bill allowing for the minting of platinum coins several years ago. But it was a bill designed to aid investors and collectors. Unfortunately, someone forgot to put in a limit on how much a platinum coin could be minted for. Thus, a gigantic loophole that liberals see as a way to stick to the GOP while spending money as fast as it can be printed.


Is it legal? Partisan constitutional scholar Lawrence Tribe says yes:


I don't think it makes sense to think about this as some sort of "loophole" issue. Using the statute this way doesn't entail exploiting a loophole; it entails just reading the plain language that Congress used. The statute clearly does authorize the issuance of trillion-dollar coins. First, the statute itself doesn't set any limit on coin value. Second, other clauses of 31 USC §5112 do set such limits, but §5112(k)-dealing with platinum coins-does not. So expressio unius strengthens the inference that there isn't any limit here.

Of course, Congress probably didn't have trillion-dollar coins in mind, but there's no textual or other legal basis for importing this probable intention into the statute. What 535 people might have had in their collective "mind" just can't control the meaning of a law this clear.

It's also quite clear that the minting of such a coin couldn't be challenged; I don't see who would have standing.

Bottom line: This is a situation where the political and economic considerations, not the legal considerations, have to drive the decision-making about this option. It's certainly a lot better from just about every perspective than having the nation stuck on either horn of the very real dilemma you outlined below, which I agree offers no plausible way out as long as enough leaders in Congress insist on playing Russian Roulette with our economy and risking our full faith and credit by using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip as they are threatening to do.


There are dissents to this opinion, but Megan McCardle's is the best:

As we once again approach the legal limits, left-liberal commentators, most notably Paul Krugman, are now getting behind the idea that the President ought to exploit his own loophole:  a law passed allowing the government to mint platinum coins of any denomination.  If the GOP won't raise the debt ceiling, they say, the president should simply mint a $1 trillion coin, deposit it at the Fed, and continue paying the nation's bills.  Never mind that the law was never intended for this, and that these sort of hypertechnical legislative games might trigger the very political and financial crises they are supposed avert.  Seemingly, the most important thing is for the president to defeat intransigent Republicans-even if that means that the president "for all Americans" who once spoke of winning the future and healing the planet will be reduced to presiding over the Franklin Mint.


The Great Platinum Coin Caper is everything that is wrong with Washington: a stupid partisan maneuver that erodes the institutions of our government for no gain other than an immediate political win. The only good thing that can be said about it is that the President seems to be too sensible to actually consider doing it.  Nonetheless, the fact that intelligent people like Professor Krugman are even discussing this debacle, much less endorsing it, is a depressing reminder of just how nasty and short-sighted our nation's capital has become.

And incredibly, the White House refuses to rule out using the coin gambit:

The White House on Wednesday declined to rule out minting a "platinum coin" to avoid default if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling.

Press secretary Jay Carney on Wednesday said there is "no substitute" for Congress raising the borrowing limit but declined to explicitly rule out issuing new currency to pay the government's debts.

"The option here is for Congress to do its job and pay the bill," Carney said. "There is no Plan B, there is no backup plan. There is Congress's responsibility."

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Carney was asked repeatedly to clarify the White House's position on the platinum coin during his daily press briefing, but seemed to downplay - although not completely proscribe - the idea.

"You can speculate about lots of things," Carney said. "Nothing needs to come to these kinds of speculative notions about a problem that can be resolved by Congress doing its job."

House Republicans are taking note of the chatter about sidestepping Congress and plan to introduce legislation to "take the coin scheme off the table."

"This scheme to mint trillion-dollar platinum coins is absurd and dangerous, and would be laughable if the proponents weren't so serious about it as a solution," said Rep. Greg Walden (R-Ore.). "I'm introducing a bill to stop it in its tracks."


Imagine - stamping "$1 trillion" on a coin and calling it money? Have they completely lost their minds? And what about Congress? If the executive branch can mint its own money why can't it authorize its expenditure as well?


Washington isn't a circus. It's Dante's "Inferno" where we are working our way through the nine circles of hell one at a time, with each level being more absurd and surreal.


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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2013, 06:51:50 PM »

Here's The Letter Being Sent Around Capitol Hill About Why Congress Needs To Act To Stop The Trillion Dollar Coin
 


Joe Weisenthal|49 minutes ago|196|



 


On January 14, Greg Walden, the GOP Rep. who has said he would introduce a bill to ban Treasury from minting a trillion dollar coin will introduce his bill, the "Stop The Coin Act."
 
His office is seeking co-sponsors for the legislation.
 
Staffers on Capitol hill have received this letter.
 
Staff-  Rep. XXXXX invites your boss to join him as original cosponsor of a bill to prevent the Treasury from issuing a platinum coin(s) valued at an absurd level in a scheme to pay off a portion or all of the federal debt in order to avert the fiscal cliff. Yes, this loophole does in fact exist as detailed in the following dear colleague letter and attached one-pager. XXXX will be introducing the bill with original cosponsors next Monday, January 14. Attached is a one-pager. If you have questions, my direct is XXXXX  If your boss would like to join, please let me know.
 
Here's the attached "one-pager" that's being sent around in order to drum up support:
 
The Constitution in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 provides the legislative branch the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof.  Federal law provides the Secretary of the Treasury the ability to mint and issue various denominations and types of coins. The law specifies many attributes of the various coins that can be minted and how the Secretary is able to issue them as legal tender. The law also specifies how the sale price of certain coins (i.e. Silver, Gold, Palladium) are to be valued.   Currently, federal law allows the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury to mint “platinum bullion coins” and “proof platinum coins” and issue them at a value determined at his own discretion.  Unlike other authorities within the law that limit and restrict the Secretary from selling gold coins to the public at a price greater than the market value of the metal at the time of sale plus the cost of producing, marketing and distributing the coins, the law is silent as to how much the platinum coins could be sold for.   Within the last week, numerous media reports (example here ) have suggested that the U.S. Mint (Treasury) could create trillion dollar platinum coins, which would then be deposited into the Federal Reserve to be used to pay the federal government’s bills or avoid hitting the debt ceiling.   
 
Purpose The STOP THE COIN ACT would prevent the Secretary of the Treasury from minting platinum coins that could then be sold to the Federal Reserve and used to offset our national debt or prevent reaching the debt ceiling. The bill simply closes a loophole in the law by applying the existing limitations on how the Treasury could price gold coins or gold bullion to the Treasury’s authority to mint and sell platinum bullion coins or proofs platinum coins. This bill would not prevent the Treasury or Mint from producing commemorative platinum coins for circulation or sale, but it would take the coin scheme off the table by disallowing the Treasury from printing mint platinum coins as a way to pay down the debt or avert a debt ceiling fight.     Rep. Jerrold Nadler, the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution, touted the proposal last week (story here ). New York Times columnist and Princeton professor Paul Krugman suggested the idea in an article as well (click here ). Other leaders in Washington, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, have urged the President to raise the debt limit unilaterally without permission from Congress.
 
Of course, there's zero chance this will ever pass both houses, but if it did, it would also need the President's signature. Presuming he ever planned to actually MintTheCoin, there's no chance it would be solved.
 
SEE ALSO: Why Greg Walden wants to stop the trillion dollar platinum coin >


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-letter-being-sent-around-capitol-hill-about-why-congress-needs-to-stop-the-trillion-dollar-coin-2013-1#ixzz2HcsK0Uta

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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 06:53:34 PM »

Is this 'trillion dollar coin' some kind of ridicule seriously? Making fun of americans that a few bs coins are the equivalent of america's worth? Giant epic cynical sarcasm of the century?





Must be some kinda joke lmao, anyone watch "This is 40" movie, guy's side is jewish and father is jewish, always asks for money and is cheap. Hahahaha.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 06:56:57 PM »

hahahahaha

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