could you defeat this weird martial arts master in a fight?

[Kwon_2]

  I could... but I would get NO pleasure from hurting Vunak.

Who would you get pleasure from hurting? Obama? Big Gyp? The head of Bulgaria's Turkish minority party?

[anabolichalo]

  He went with a group of his students    they all got put in the ICU and one or two died

crazy, when people can no longer distinguish martial arts from reality

[Archer77]

crazy, when people can no longer distinguish martial arts from reality

It's easy to do in a bubble, where fighting is essentially choreographed and no one ever experiences real pain.

[Jon Harridan]

crazy, when people can no longer distinguish martial arts from reality

Aren't the martial arts meant to equip you for reality? That's the whole point of training, isn't it?

[anabolichalo]

Aren't the martial arts meant to equip you for reality? That's the whole point of training, isn't it?

i'm not sure

martial arts make people more disconnected from reality than an average person with common sense

[Donny]

Aren't the martial arts meant to equip you for reality? That's the whole point of training, isn't it?

well they are really to train you AND your mind.. sharpen your reactions. Thing is your born Nasty or you aint.. you have to have the heart to fight too. sure training a couple of times a week is great but you know yourself reality is another thing. I learned Aikido for years but it was to learn the traditional background and i enjoyed it, outside i would never do it. Jeet kune do and Kali are better for outside and wing chun (ving tsun)..

[Jon Harridan]

i'm not sure

martial arts make people more disconnected from reality than an average person with common sense

But these days there are so many reality-based fighting arts around like Krav Maga and Vee Arnis Jitsu. They're adaptations of the traditional martial arts. Surely these equip the student for the street?

[Natural Man]

Aren't the martial arts meant to equip you for reality? That's the whole point of training, isn't it?

martial arts were developed by poor peasants with few or no weapons in asian countries... just like box was developed by their equivalent in western societies; basically you dont have the money to afford a weapon, still you might face adversity in your everyday life, so you develop fighting skills. It all depends of the reality you re living in.

Some people avoid any kind of physical violence just using their brains to subdue or submit themselves to threatening individuals who are struggling to survive/ fight for the same ressources. Some use fists, feet, some use knives, some use guns, etc. I believe that in all these situations, nothing beats a handgun or rifle, which have a double use; you can also hunt food with them. I dont believe in fist fights prolly cause im small , i prefer to defend myself using my brains. But i can understand someone bigger than me would instead use his fists instead of his brains to insure his own survival. Still, violence only happens when people fail to find a compromise that would allow both of them to survive by cooperating, using their brains. Then there is a need for physical violence or for weapon use. Ideally one would be skilled at fighting with fists, kicks, but also with weapons, as you re not going to do shit with your kung fu facing more than one or two oponent, and you better be an expert if you hope to at least defeat one. Is there a need to talk about facing one or several opponents carrying weapons when you dont ?

The best option is always to avoid threats with your intelligence, and to rise socially , dominate others using your brain and work. This is what most religions encourage to do; rise becoming smarter than everyone else.

[Natural Man]

But these days there are so many reality-based fighting arts around like Krav Maga and Vee Arnis Jitsu. They're adaptations of the traditional martial arts. Surely these equip the student for the street?

your weight, height and many others factors still are important; a 100 lbs martial expert isnt going to win a fight against someone three times bigger with our without fighting skills.

There are many small people pretending to be martial experts, who could make no use of their knowleges simply because they are too small to do any damage with them.. remember napoleon dynamite scene ? They pretend to be killers, but in fact they never ever use their so called skills, and simply use their brains to avoid being in conflict with bigger people . Delusional clowns basically. Paper tough guys. They can be admired by people smaller or as small as them buying into their bullshits, but sooner or later they will realize their mentors simply avoid any serious conflict with bigger guys cause they know they d get smashed, and only pick on smaller people than them.

Let's not forget martial arts might be a game changer between two small short skinny asians fighting for a bowl of rice, but when skinny asian fights against a 300LBS 7 feet tall irishman, well... Not sure about the outcome for the skinny asian.

Wasnt bruce lee in awe of the big muscular white males in north america? i remeber reading how admirative he was, how he decided to bodybuild etc once he discovered america. Fact is he knew he couldnt do shit against a big american dude whatever his level of skill or quickness.
Big heavy people sometimes get their asses handed to them by smaller people, that's for sure...but 9 times out of 10 bigger people reduce smaller people into a pulp.  The small guy beating the bigger guy is the exception that confirms the rule, not the opposite.

[Donny]

uberman enlighten us to your "practical" experience in a Dojo or on the street...

[Natural Man]

uberman enlighten us to your "practical" experience in a Dojo or on the street...

the fact i own two rifles and carry a knife most of the time i go out should tell you all you need to know about it.
Spending hours a week to train to become a " martial expert" isnt just worth it, especially when you re small; it wont prevent you from being hurt or killed by someone with a weapon or bigger than you, or groups of people. Most people avoid troubles simply using their eyes, ears and brains. There are many ways to defend yourself, to destroy someone, using words, fists or weapons, we all adapt the best we can with what mother nature gave us. Best strategy still is to shut up, rise with your brain then dominate everyone else with money.

[Jon Harridan]

your weight, height and many others factors still are important; a 100 lbs martial expert isnt going to win a fight against someone three times bigger with our without fighting skills.

There are many small people pretending to be martial experts, who could make no use of their knowleges simply because they are too small to do any damage with them.. remember napoleon dynamite scene ? They pretend to be killers, but in fact they never ever use their so called skills, and simply use their brains to avoid being in conflict with bigger people . Delusional clowns basically. Paper tough guys. They can be admired by people smaller or as small as them buying into their bullshits, but sooner or later they will realiwe their mentors simply avoid any serious conflict with bigger guys cause they know they d get smashed.

Let's not forget martial arts might be a game changer between two small short skinny asians fighting for a bowl of rice, but when skinny asian fights against a 300LBS 7 feet tall irishman, well... Not sure about the outcome for the skinny asian.

Wasnt bruce lee in awe of the big muscular white males in north america? i remeber reading how admirative he was, how he decided to bodybuild etc once he discovered america. Fact is he knew he couldnt do shit against a big american dude whatever his level of skill or quickness.
Big heavy people sometimes get their asses handed to them by smaller people, that's for sure...but 9 times out of 10 bigger people reduce smaller people into a pulp.  The small guy beating the bigger guy is the exception that confirms the rule, not the opposite.

So you're saying that being a massive bodybuilder (not just any big guy) will give you a decided advantage on the street? That's why Ronnie is one of the most feared fighters on the planet.

[flex933]

i would love to see a fight with him and bas rutten.lol

[Donny]

the fact i own two rifles and carry a knife most of the time i go out should tell you all you need to know about it.
Spending hours a week to train to become a " martial expert" isnt just worth it, especially when you re small; it wont prevent you from being hurt or killed by someone with a weapon or bigger than you, or groups of people. Most people avoid troubles simply using their eyes, ears and brains. There are many ways to defend yourself, to destroy someone, using words, fists or weapons, we all adapt the best we can with what mother nature gave us. Best strategy still is to shut up, rise with your brain then dominate everyone else with money.

so you have no experience...

[dr.chimps]

martial arts were developed by poor peasants with few or no weapons in asian countries... just like box was developed by their equivalent in western societies; basically you dont have the money to afford a weapon, still you might face adversity in your everyday life, so you develop fighting skills. It all depends of the reality you re living in.

Some people avoid any kind of physical violence just using their brains to subdue or submit themselves to threatening individuals who are struggling for the same ressources. Some use fists, feet, some use knives, some use guns, etc. I believe that in all these situations, nothing beats a handung or rifle, which have a double use; you can also hunt food with them. I dont believe in fist fights prolly cause im small , i prefer to defend myself using my brains. But i can understand someone bigger than me would instead use his fists instead of his brains to insure his own survival. Still, violence only happens when people fail to find a compromise that would allow both of them to survive by cooperating, using their brains. Then there is a need for physical violence or for weapon use. Ideally one would be skilled at fighting with fists, kicks, but also with weapons, as you re not going to do shit with your kung fu facing more than one or two oponent, and you better be an expert if you hope to at least defeat one.

The best option is always to avoid threats with your intelligence, and to rise socially , dominate others using your brain and work. This is what most religions encourage to do; rise becoming smarter than everyone else.

your weight, height and many others factors still are important; a 100 lbs martial expert isnt going to win a fight against someone three times bigger with our without fighting skills.

There are many small people pretending to be martial experts, who could make no use of their knowleges simply because they are too small to do any damage with them.. remember napoleon dynamite scene ? They pretend to be killers, but in fact they never ever use their so called skills, and simply use their brains to avoid being in conflict with bigger people . Delusional clowns basically. Paper tough guys. They can be admired by people smaller or as small as them buying into their bullshits, but sooner or later they will realiwe their mentors simply avoid any serious conflict with bigger guys cause they know they d get smashed.

Let's not forget martial arts might be a game changer between two small short skinny asians fighting for a bowl of rice, but when skinny asian fights against a 300LBS 7 feet tall irishman, well... Not sure about the outcome for the skinny asian.

Wasnt bruce lee in awe of the big muscular white males in north america? i remeber reading how admirative he was, how he decided to bodybuild etc once he discovered america. Fact is he knew he couldnt do shit against a big american dude whatever his level of skill or quickness.
Big heavy people sometimes get their asses handed to them by smaller people, that's for sure...but 9 times out of 10 bigger people reduce smaller people into a pulp.  The small guy beating the bigger guy is the exception that confirms the rule, not the opposite.

the fact i own two rifles and carry a knife most of the time i go out should tell you all you need to know about it.
Spending hours a week to train to become a " martial expert" isnt just worth it, especially when you re small; it wont prevent you from being hurt or killed by someone with a weapon or bigger than you, or groups of people. Most people avoid troubles simply using their eyes, ears and brains. There are many ways to defend yourself, to destroy someone, using words, fists or weapons, we all adapt the best we can with what mother nature gave us. Best strategy still is to shut up, rise with your brain then dominate everyone else with money.

[Natural Man]

so you have no experience...

i have experience in mindgames, i push people buttons until they re outsmarted and leave or submit, and avoid physical fights; if i cant avoid them i have weapons. Most of the time nowadays i simply avoid/ignore/ walk away. I have things to lose, things i didnt have in the past when i was younger and stupider.
Most of the time, at work for example, colleagues see me in the locker room and judging my msucular ripped physique, think i m a tough guy, that's probably why i lift weights, to look scarier than i actually am, other than wanting to have a good looking body to enjoy a decent sexual life with my partner; prolly the same reason why we all lift, to look bigger than we actually are. It is often enough to be respected by the people i need to deal with to earn my living. Most men are skinny or fat or a mix of both. As they get old they just want to go home watch tv , dont want troubles with a quicker thinking, moving, younger dude. Small guys stick together, big guys stick together, and they all fight each others daily for their own survival, allying with those who will improve or maintain their current odds of survival, and fighting those who threaten them.
 Mindgames , war of words suffice to allow me to survive daily, work and earn my money, allowed me to live in a white middle class neighborhood , own my home, land and to cultivate stuff, buy weapons, that's my "practical experience" about struggling for survival ; and about everybody else 's "practical experience" at struggling for survival. Nobody is ashamed of the way he survives; we re all just satisfied to still be alive whatever the way we survive, and just hope we will be able to do the meaningless stuff that makes us feel good once in a while as long as possible.
Big people are often rude, used to survive simply by using their physical dominance to bully smaller people, gentle giants are very rare, but they exist tho. Often big dudes raised by single moms.
 Small people survive using their brains, while bigger people survive threatening others with their physique, nothing new; that's how it works in the animal kingdom. Once in a while taller, bigger people are interested in my personality and want what i have and they lack, so some kind of cooperative alliances take place; i m faster thinking than them and help them with the mindgames, while they somewhat offer me their protection. It's  sometimes suprising to realize how weak, fearful are tall, big people. Smaller people are used to survive using their brains, so i think ultimately they re tougher. Of course nothing beats being big AND smart; being tall and having an education that taught you how to dominate thru mindgames AND physically.
The myth of the alpha male; or the King. Most of the time tho it's more a matter of alliances with big people being advised by smaller but smarter people, they cooperate together in symbiotical relationships. The not so smart, slow, impulsive but powerful, charismatic King advised by his seconds, leutnants, thinkers, wise elders etc. every single one of them sharing interests in mutual goals etc.. Works fine as long as interests , goals are the same, sometimes they change so they backstab each others...
Just like the dominating alpha lion has his leutnants to keep the rest of the group in check; leutnants who are waiting for the alpha male to age, get older, weaker, to take his place.

[Jon Harridan]

i would love to see a fight with him and bas rutten.lol

Oleg Spector would have both of them down before you even knew what was happening.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2671163/grabs_chokes_oleg_spector_russian_combat_systema_spetsnaz/

[funk51]

dat's y dey make deese.

[Jon Harridan]

dat's y dey make deese.

Sometimes even that isn't enough.

[Natural Man]

Sometimes even that isn't enough.

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[Jon Harridan]

Oleg Spector would destroy you a million times over, I bet, even if you were armed with a small arsenal.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4557641/street_self_defense_hand_to_hand_combat_systema/

[Natural Man]

Oleg Spector would destroy you a million times over, I bet, even if you were armed with a small arsenal.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4557641/street_self_defense_hand_to_hand_combat_systema/

[Jon Harridan]

Spector would tear that gay shit up.

[OTHstrong]

WTF is that ali G