Patience is the key to life, only patience will keep you from going suicidal on

[Jon Harridan]

then why didnt god take out the disability wich causes man to fall from grace.

if man fell from grace, then GOD DID CREATE THAT  didnt he?

its not mans doing its gods doing

the word grace isnt literally it probably means grey matter or has some esoteric root word , its all in the unveiling

If it was man that fell from grace, then of course it was man's doing. How on earth is God to blame for what man does when man is the one that chose wrongly and did contrary to God's commands? God couldn't remove the 'disability' which caused to man to fall from grace as that would have meant interfering with his free will! Some things are literally impossible like creating a tree so sturdy it cannot be chopped down.

[Marty Champions]

What's wrong with man being created with the potential to fall from grace? That comes with the gift of FREE WILL. Otherwise man would be robots and not free moral agents with the capacity to choose either good or ill. It's not that God's doing a bad job but that man's doing shabby work in glorifying God. We should not point our finger at God when He Himself has charged us with that duty but we're deliberately disobedient. The blame lies squarely with us then.

no the reason why church makes you feel ashamed with blame is to take your money so you always feel like you need to suffer and pay money thats how they keep you down saying you sin.

the church and religions are there to keep people down and controled

i certainly dont need church to be a good person and glorify god

thats why i say religions suck

and i dont beleive in literall translation of the bible

[Jon Harridan]

OMG, Your nonsense become even more embarrasing

> "God simply had to exterminate masses of people because of their atrocious wickedness." YET HE ALLOWS SATAN TO LIVE FOR THE TIME BEING AS HE GETS SADISTIC COMICAL RELIEF FROM TORTURING US. OH BROTHER, WHAT A GREAT DIVINE BEING!  AND WHAT IS THE TEST EXACTLY, IS THEIR AN EXAM COMING UP OR SOME EVENT THAT AN EXTENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS TOO SUFFER IS SO DEEPLY IMPORTANT.  WHEN A CHILD DIES OF BONE CANCER AT THE AGE OF 5, DOES SHE PASS THE TEST?

> "Lucifer became Satan so he was responsible for his own evil having FREE WILL" - WHO INJECTED THE FREE WILL INTO LUCIFER?

> "Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the living God and His Son Jesus Christ." HOWS THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU, HAS GOD OR JESUS TAKEN YOU OUT TO A GOOD DINNER LATELY OR THE MOVIES, PERHAPS PURCHASED YOU A NICE GIFT? JUST WONDERING, I ALSO LIKE TO HAVE IMAGINARY RELATIONSHIPS WITH NON-EXISTENT WOMEN

God doesn't derive relief from torturing us; in fact He is pained to see us suffer. He is testing us and not tormenting us. Satan's activities are greatly restricted by God anyway. God gave Lucifer free will but Lucifer failed the test and instead of doing what he was supposed to do and glorifying God of his own volition (God is glorified when you have free will and CHOOSE to glorify Him!), he rebelled against God. God exterminated those people and not Satan despite both being wicked as keeping them alive served no more purpose. When a child dies of bone cancer, he goes to heaven. Of such (little children)is the kingdom of God. Where's the sadness in that? God and Jesus have given me a nice life and I communicate (pray) regularly with them. We humans are commanded to pray ALWAYS. Women don't fill the void in our heart; only God does.

[Marty Champions]

If it was man that fell from grace, then of course it was man's doing. How on earth is God to blame for what man does when man is the one that chose wrongly and did contrary to God's commands? God couldn't remove the 'disability' which caused to man to fall from grace as that would have meant interfering with his free will! Some things are literally impossible like creating a tree so sturdy it cannot be chopped down.

dude we are STILL IN gods grace thats one of those silly religious tricks on people into giving there money to the church corporation

[Jon Harridan]

no the reason why church makes you feel ashamed with blame is to take your money so you always feel like you need to suffer and pay money thats how they keep you down saying you sin.

the church and religions are there to keep people down and controled

i certainly dont need church to be a good person and glorify god

thats why i say religions suck

and i dont beleive in literall translation of the bible

The church is there to help people worship and glorify God although many renegade churches are out for money and power. You say you don't believe in a literal translation of the Bible but you should for it is simple fact. There are no additional layers to interpret. You can give as much or as little money as you like for good causes like benefitting the poor.

[Jon Harridan]

dude we are STILL IN gods grace thats one of those silly religious tricks on people into giving there money to the church corporation

Yes, God still shows grace to us which is why He hasn't utterly destroyed us for our sinfulness yet? Do you imagine God enjoys seeing America drenched as it is in crime and pornography?

[Marty Champions]

doesnt make sense if man fell from grace

like i said "grace" cannot be read literally it means something else

how can man fall from "grace"  arent we still in gods grace?

[TrueBB93]

your logic is flawed man just because one being transforms into another IT IS STILL LINKED TO THE CREATIVE POWER OF GOD

you dont some how loose that bond man

everything is one man

church teaches seperation, thats what you are preaching

its all gods work

but god is more complicated then literally reading of the bible

god is the science of light

light is sound and matter,

Johnny got it right here. GOD IS ONE! ALL humans have a direct connection with GOD, he knows your thoughts, desires ect. God does not have a son.He is God, he says "be" and it becomes.

God knows the human being better then they know themselves. God knows each persons weakness and each persons strenght. REPENTENCE is very important, God is the most merciful. God knows people sin all the time!, its a fact. No-one is sin free, and NO ONE can forgive your sins expect God the almighty, thats why in Islam everything is geared around asking God for forgiveness, and also bad actions are wipped away and cleaned when you do a Good action, God is very just. God dosent have a son or any partners, Islam is strict monotheism, worship the creator not the creation and their is only ONE creator who controls everything.

also Satan is not an angel, God hasnt given free will to the angels. they do as they are told and are sin-free. Satan is a creature made of FIRE.

Yo Johnny check out the Quran bro

btw: im not going to even respond to typical anti-islam trolls and gimmicks which will appear after I post this.

[Marty Champions]

Yes, God still shows grace to us which is why He hasn't utterly destroyed us for our sinfulness yet? Do you imagine God enjoys seeing America drenched as it is in crime and pornography?

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sense god is perfect and knows the sum of all things then why would god destroy his creation after all god is smart enough to know the end result or sum of his creation, why would he waste his effort

god is more complex then that

destroy - is a metaphor for unstability in the heavens, (planets moving around and such)

[Jon Harridan]

doesnt make sense if man fell from grace

like i said "grace" cannot be read literally it means something else

how can man fall from "grace"  arent we still in gods grace?

There are different types of grace. When I say man fell from grace I mean man fell from his perfection/sinlessness and communion with God.

[Radical Plato]

God doesn't derive relief from torturing us; in fact He is pained to see us suffer. He is testing us and not tormenting us. Satan's activities are greatly restricted by God anyway. God gave Lucifer free will but Lucifer failed the test and instead of doing what he was supposed to do and glorifying God of his own volition (God is glorified when you have free will and CHOOSE to glorify Him!), he rebelled against God. God exterminated those people and not Satan despite both being wicked as keeping them alive served no more purpose. When a child dies of bone cancer, he goes to heaven. Of such (little children)is the kingdom of God. Where's the sadness in that? God and Jesus have given me a nice life and I communicate (pray) regularly with them. We humans are commanded to pray ALWAYS. Women don't fill the void in our heart; only God does.

WHERE IS THE SADNESS WHEN A CHILD DIES OF BONE CANCER! WTF - GOD is testing us, and what is he testing us with -TORMENT! So God restricts SATAN but doesn't destroy SATAN because he is helping GOD test humans by tormenting them, so GOD and SATAN are in cahoots now, oh brother!  HHMM Interesting theory, hard to work out who is MORE EVIL, GOD or SATAN, I would say GOD because he is supposedly more powerful and created SATAN in the first place and has the power to end this EVIL but chooses not too because he he using SATAN for the time being.    No wonder Religious people are ridiculed, they have the most skewed interpretation of the world.  I must discontinue debating with you, you are a sick fuck indeed!

[Jon Harridan]

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sense god is perfect and knows the sum of all things then why would god destroy his creation after all god is smart enough to know the end result or sum of his creation, why would he waste his effort

god is more complex then that

destroy - is a metaphor for unstability in the heavens, (planets moving around and such)

That's why God hasn't destroyed His creation although He can easily do so. All he has to do is make a new creation since He is almighty.

[TrueBB93]

WHERE IS THE SADNESS IN A CHILD DIES OF BONE CANCER! WTF - GOD is testing us, and what is he testing us with -TORMENT! So God restricts SATAN but doesn't destroy him because he is helping GOD test humans by tormenting them>  HHMM Intersting theory, hard to work out who is MORE EVIL, GOD or SATAN, I would say GOD because he is supposedly more powerful and created SATAN in the first place and has the power to end this EVIL but chooses not too because he he using SATAN for the time being.    No wonder Religious people are ridiculed, they have the most skewed interpretation of the world.  I must discontinue debating with you, you are a sick fuck indeed!

the Child gets free pass into heaven. God is the most merciful.

[Marty Champions]

That's why God hasn't destroyed His creation although He can easily do so. All he has to do is make a new creation since He is almighty.

no but god has destroyed previous creations hasnt he

that seems like a wasted effort

or god was experimenting because he didnt know the outcome or result

again feuling my argument that the bible shouldnt be read literally

[Radical Plato]

the Child gets free pass into heaven. God is the most merciful.

Oh, so GOD makes a child's life a living HELL, so the child can miss out on the benefits of living a full and healthy life and the joys that brings so they can die in agony causing friends and family to suffer unimaginably all so the child can enter a non existent place for FREE!  If that's what's called a FREE PASS, your GOD can go fuck himself ten times over, if somebody was to ask me to describe what EVIL was like, I would describe the actions of what you call a merciful GOD.

[Marty Champions]

when the bible says he destroyed his creation because his creation was bad that doesnt make sense because god doesnt need to experiemnt

i think what the bible is talking about is the cosmos and astrophysics or the sun destroying something

[Jon Harridan]

WHERE IS THE SADNESS IN A CHILD DIES OF BONE CANCER! WTF - GOD is testing us, and what is he testing us with -TORMENT! So God restricts SATAN but doesn't destroy him because he is helping GOD test humans by tormenting them>  HHMM Intersting theory, hard to work out who is MORE EVIL, GOD or SATAN, I would say GOD because he is supposedly more powerful and created SATAN in the first place and has the power to end this EVIL but chooses not too because he he using SATAN for the time being.    No wonder Religious people are ridiculed, they have the most skewed interpretation of the world.  I must discontinue debating with you, you are a sick fuck indeed!

When a child dies of bone cancer he gets to leave the pain/imperfection of this life and go to PARADISE (not just a better place!). When you understand that how can there be any room for sadness? You should be overjoyed rather. God is not testing us with torment but rather giving us a choice between good and evil. That's all there is to it so don't put nonsense into the water please. If there's any torment we bring it upon ourselves by our own sinful proclivities and decisions. God has the power to end Satan's evil but that evil is necessary for the time being and since God has mercy upon us, that evil is severely immured. What is the significance of that minute evil when for all eternity (for ever and ever) there will be no more evil or sin after Satan and his angels and all wicked humans are cast into the lake of fire? That's where you're headed to also unless you turn from your evil way and repent and seek God. The only thing skewed here is the way your brain sees things.

[tommywishbone]

Everybody be cool. Ain't no good being dead. 

[Jon Harridan]

Oh, so GOD makes a child's life a living HELL, so the child can miss out on the benefits of living a full and healthy life and the joys that brings so they can die in agony causing friends and family to suffer unimaginably all so the child can enter a non existent place for FREE!  If that's what's called a FREE PASS, your GOD can go fuck himself ten times over, if somebody was to ask me to describe what EVIL was like, I would describe the actions of what you call a merciful GOD.

Heaven is not a non-existent place. You can't see it but it's there. The child suffers (if he suffers at all) only for a short time and don't forget that that child is not perfect either yet God allows Him into His kingdom. The friends and family should be relieved that the child's pain is over and that he is in a better place.

[TrueBB93]

Oh, so GOD makes a child life a living HELL, so the child can miss out on the benefits of living a full and healthy life and the joys that brings so they can die in agony causing friends and family to suffer unimaginably all so the child can enter a non existent place for FREE!  If that's what's called a FREE PASS, your GOD can go fuck himself ten times over, if somebody was to describe what EVIL was like, I would describe the actions of what you call a merciful GOD.

you love this life too much! I dont think you understand the whole concept man. this life is a TEST. everyone is going to die and be judged. when its time to be judged that kid will have it easy! because he was 1. a kid(all kids go to heaven in Islam) 2. his suffering(cancer).

[Jon Harridan]

when the bible says he destroyed his creation because his creation was bad that doesnt make sense because god doesnt need to experiemnt

i think what the bible is talking about is the cosmos and astrophysics or the sun destroying something

God says what he says literally and as fact; you're reading too much into things and letting your fertile imagination take you into the realms of nonsense. God doesn't need to talk about the cosmos or the sun as they are utterly insignificant to Him and to man. God is not experimenting but rather testing because while He is perfect and cannot sin His creation is limited and CAN do ill unlike Him.

[Jon Harridan]

no but god has destroyed previous creations hasnt he

that seems like a wasted effort

or god was experimenting because he didnt know the outcome or result

again feuling my argument that the bible shouldnt be read literally

God is omniscient so He knows everything but even HE has to set events in motion so they can play out. Otherwise how would He know their outcome? There's no wasted effort to God when He is omnipotent. Any amount of effort is nothing to a being that heaven and earth cannot contain.

[Jon Harridan]

actually satan was merely and angle of light not an angel

satan has to do with saturn

saturn once had the place of our sun in the solar system thats why the ancients worshiped saturn, then something happend and saturn was casted out as the epicenter a fallen star/angel of ligh

Satan is an angel, a fallen angel, and Saturn is just a planet. The two names just sound similar and that's about as far as it gets.

[Jon Harridan]

Why would an all powerful GOD tolerate this?  perhaps he isn't as powerful as you think.

God doesn't like this of course and He will punish Satan at the end for His wicked deeds but God also wishes to test man's ability to resist Satan's lies.

[Radical Plato]

you love this life too much! I dont think you understand the whole concept man. this life is a TEST. everyone is going to die and be judged. when its time to be judged that kid will have it easy! because he was 1. a kid(all kids go to heaven in Islam) 2. his suffering(cancer).

JUDGED for what, being a human being.  What a joke, God creates man knowing all the sins that he will commit throughout his life and yet still judges him.  What a disturbed creator, that's like a programmer, deliberately creating software that is frustrating, full of bugs and doesn't work very well and then when the program fails to work the way the programmer wants, blames the very program he created.  It would have been nice if GOD was an all powerful being who took RESPONSIBILITY for his actions, unfortunately he is NOT!  So he is all powerful but doesn't have enough power to take responsibility for his actions.  HHHMMM, Interesting paradox.  The sad things is, I know a lot of human beings who are far less judgemental and way more merciful than the GOD you describe.  How sad that is.