Deca with?

[Christo]

I want to use deca without test. Are there any possiblities which i can use with deca what isn't test and which not lowers my libido?

Thanks guys

[4thAD]

Why dont you want to use test? Ise a low dose of test at least.

[beverast]

Run whatever, but have a dopamine receptor agonist and possibly some Proviron on hand.

[godeep]

masteron and some caber

[theworm]

Run it with dbol, old saying by Dan Duchaine is that if u can't grow on deca and dbol, you won't grow at all!

Or just run it with hcg

[Christo]

Run it with dbol, old saying by Dan Duchaine is that if u can't grow on deca and dbol, you won't grow at all!

Or just run it with hcg

HcG? for to protect my balls and deca dick?

[theworm]

Yes to both!

[Busted]

You know absolutely nothing about hormones... Thats prob why your the size of a high school kid after cycling for years

yes, i know a way.

cut out the deca altogehter,its shit, its mostly fake,and will do nothing but cause a limp dick, massive bitchtits if genetic predisposition is there.

run test only and maybe some dbols on top of that on training days, couple pills as booster some hours before training.

deca causes brutal water retention when diet isnt in perfect order.some say the water helps the joints, well, maybe, but having high blood pressure from all the water and moonface isnt any good.

the water retention is caused by estrogen conversion, what else.

so, just test will still cause water retention, but much les and you get away with cheating on diet without your head turning into a melon.

also test will keep you more full, agressive for training and potent for sex.

thank me later.

[theworm]

I find deca to be amazing

I did test alone at 500 a week, then I did 200 test and 300 mg deca, ant the results were far superior, like at least twice the gains and less sides

[theworm]

There are some good deca out there, sounds like u got some bad shit in the past

If u get if off the damn open source boards it's prob not deca

[Vikingman]

I'm on pharm deca  rare to find. 

[latiuss]

Why does everyone always say deca is shit and it bloats you blah blah its just not true. Im a fan of deca at 600mg aweek with dbol, and test. As far as the bloat though i think it depends on genetics and diet. That will determine how much water you hold and wether your running an a.i. aswell . Is that not right?

[Borracho]

Why does everyone always say deca is shit and it bloats you blah blah its just not true. Im a fan of deca at 600mg aweek with dbol, and test. As far as the bloat though i think it depends on genetics and diet. That will determine how much water you hold and wether your running an a.i. aswell . Is that not right?

You're right on everything except if that person has to resort to meds to control bloat or evn gyno an ai may not help at all. Nandrolone converts to estrogen via aromataze at a very small amount so if excess water retention is in fact coming from the deca arimidex, aromasin, etc. will not help with that.

Sides like gyno, lower libido, bloating from nandrolone could be a result of high prolactin levels so stuff like cabergoline or pramipexole should help in that case.

I like the drug but I would use npp instead...

[LittleJ]

I think things like adex does more harm than good. My joints are still fucked from taking only 1.5 months eod.

[Overload]

I think things like adex does more harm than good. My joints are still fucked from taking only 1.5 months eod.

I haven't used them in years.  Adex always did more harm than good for me, but they are great for certain things.

Even on 1500mg of Test i don't get that bloated.  Deca doesn't bloat me too bad.  The one compound that turns me into a puffy monster is Drol.  I can easily gain 20 pounds in 3-4 weeks taking 100mg ED of Drol.

I understand that people don't want to get bloated, but that's just how these drugs work at high doses.  If you have an issue with bloating, use a lower dose or use a different compound that doesn't bloat you up.  Test never really did anything bad to me, but everyone is different.

[latiuss]

You're right on everything except if that person has to resort to meds to control bloat or evn gyno an ai may not help at all. Nandrolone converts to estrogen via aromataze at a very small amount so if excess water retention is in fact coming from the deca arimidex, aromasin, etc. will not help with that.

Sides like gyno, lower libido, bloating from nandrolone could be a result of high prolactin levels so stuff like cabergoline or pramipexole should help in that case.

I like the drug but I would use npp instead...

Does a high dose of b6 like 100 to 300mg help with the prolactin? Sure i read that somewhere. Will try npp next cycle as im a fan of nadrolone and if thats better then bring it on! That with test and then halotestin pre workout instead of the dbol should be crazy.

[whitewidow]

yes, i know a way.

cut out the deca altogehter,its shit, its mostly fake,and will do nothing but cause a limp dick, massive bitchtits if genetic predisposition is there.

run test only and maybe some dbols on top of that on training days, couple pills as booster some hours before training.

deca causes brutal water retention when diet isnt in perfect order.some say the water helps the joints, well, maybe, but having high blood pressure from all the water and moonface isnt any good.

the water retention is caused by estrogen conversion, what else.

so, just test will still cause water retention, but much les and you get away with cheating on diet without your head turning into a melon.

also test will keep you more full, agressive for training and potent for sex.

thank me later.

It is true th main reason deca helps your joints is because of the water retention it creates same with the strength gains,the water retention will make you stronger as it will allow your joints to handle more weight.

[Borracho]

Does a high dose of b6 like 100 to 300mg help with the prolactin? Sure i read that somewhere. Will try npp next cycle as im a fan of nadrolone and if thats better then bring it on! That with test and then halotestin pre workout instead of the dbol should be crazy.

B6 has been proven to lower prolactin in studies so it may or may not help you. It did work for me but as I increased my npp dose it no longer did. The dopamine agonists must be much better at lowering prolactin...I would think.

I wouldn't say npp is better but I like it cause the shorter ester makes the hormone readily available much sooner, and there is less bloat than with deca while still providing the strength and joint benefits of nandrolone that ww mentions above. Oh yeah and this hormone makes me hungrier than a pregnant woman...great for growth!

Now this is what people should keep in mind...because it can lubricate your joints and you're able to lift heavy weights, it can mask injuries and make them worse in the end. I Had this happen recently as I was coming off npp....a nagging shoulder injury came back with a vengeance.

[mcluvin]

Deca with Cialis...........

[Overload]

Now this is what people should keep in mind...because it can lubricate your joints and you're able to lift heavy weights, it can mask injuries and make them worse in the end. I Had this happen recently as I was coming off npp....a nagging shoulder injury came back with a vengeance.

This is why i don't recommend using Deca to mask an injury.  It always comes back to haunt you in the end.  I used a lot of Deca back when i was competing in power lifting and it helped my shoulders and elbows quite a bit.  However, once i came off Deca i could feel more soreness than i did before.

[whitewidow]

No AAS is going to HEAL a tendon or joint issue but the water retention will make the joints and tendons feel better and allow you to lift heavier weights. I would use HGH over deca to help with your joints and tendons. Some people get to excited about steroid write-ups! just because a steroid profile says a certain AAS will help your joints or make you stronger or cause insane nitrogen retention does not mean it will happen to every user!

Too many customers read a steroid profile and get upset that they do not get the benefits the
drug profile claims. This usually happens to steroid customers who are not cutt out for steroids! Most but not all of them are not daily gymrats or take their diet and cardio serious! Hell some do not even really  know how to train like a bodybuilder. Training like a bodybuilder is not easy! It takes alot of time! and alot of money! You also need alot of nutrition knowledge.

I think steroid users expect too much from steroids. We are also not living in the 60's and 70's where high grade steroids are very easy to get! these days we all have to shop around for along time to find real USA pharmaceutical steroids. they are not that easy to find,and alot of users wind up buying underground clandstine gear! It sucks we as  bodybuilders have to question almost every product we buy! Real Deca is great stuff but I hate to say it real Deca is not that easy to find! It is either made with cutt down raw materials or it is some form of cheap Testosterone,sometimes it is just arachis oil. I have never seen any deca that is that great on the UGL market, only some overseas pharma grade deca seems to work but not like the old school deca from the 70's or 80's.If you can find REAL Legit pharma Nandrolone that is a major score! Deca is a great steroid! Just hard to find it in high grade form.

[Oly15]

yes, i know a way.

cut out the deca altogehter,its shit, its mostly fake,and will do nothing but cause a limp dick, massive bitchtits if genetic predisposition is there.

run test only and maybe some dbols on top of that on training days, couple pills as booster some hours before training.

deca causes brutal water retention when diet isnt in perfect order.some say the water helps the joints, well, maybe, but having high blood pressure from all the water and moonface isnt any good.

the water retention is caused by estrogen conversion, what else.

so, just test will still cause water retention, but much les and you get away with cheating on diet without your head turning into a melon.

also test will keep you more full, agressive for training and potent for sex.

thank me later.

I just want to say I think deca is a great steroid for gaining lean mass, providing that you run a dose that suits your development. All these guys complaining of bloof and brutal water retention are not keeping estro under control or more likely are running too much for their body so it just adds water. Im running 750 mg deca and im dingle digits and very vascular. Girl in my class couldnt stop looming at my veins when I was writing lol.

[Philly G]

love deca 900mg with 300mg test is nice. I done all my bulks with dbol deca and test but low test.Some love Deca and some hate it.One thing about this game is you have to find what works for you fuck everyone else. I hate test everyone said to run test high and all i get is bad skin and gyno. deca at 600-900mg with low test no gyno clean gains. know what works for u.

[bywhatevermeans]

Use test with it, just watch your diet and possibly use masteron or an anti-e. Deca is an amazing drug and is the best overall mass builder there is. Don't let anyone tell you different. And I honestly prefer NPP to deca, shit gives me insane strength and size without all the water retention. I've ran over a gram before and stayed extremely vascular. And don't listen to Galeniko, he's the only person in the world tren doesn't work for.

[randy841]

I find deca to be amazing

I did test alone at 500 a week, then I did 200 test and 300 mg deca, ant the results were far superior, like at least twice the gains and less sides

I can attest to that.

I injected e/ 7 day

250mg Test E

500 Deca

I am looking to add both at a 1-1 ratio next round. Deca is underrated and over delivers. Deca attaches to the AR at a rate of 2* greater than testosterone. The test/deca combo can't be beat. Plus, it provides joint pain relief as a bonus.