Man kills door-to-door salesman: I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property

[quadzilla456]

The victim:

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Nicholas_Rainey_4485847/

[MB_722]

Florida

[Archer77]

The old fella should have said get out of here or I'll shoot.  If the guy kept coming go ahead a shoot.  No need to shoot the guy in the ground for effect.  That's psychotic behavior.

[tbombz]

more reason to steal our money and enforce laws upon us all, laws which will be enforced by strangers completely unrelated and unaffected by the crime committed..

guy should be dealt with by the family and friends of the person he shot. if they want to deal with him. otherwise... whatever

[drmarkp]

In terms of the law, does the "no trespassing" sign give him right to shoot and kill? I am assuming no because the guy is being charged with murder. Getbiggers, speak on this.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/florida-man-kills-door-to-door-salesman-i%E2%80%99ll-kill-anybody-that-steps-on-my-property/

A man in Cape Coral, Florida on Wednesday was arrested for shooting and killing an unarmed door-to-door salesman on his property.

Kenneth Bailey Roop, 52, has been charged with second-degree murder for killing 30-year-old Nicholas Rainey.

A co-worker who witnessed the shooting said Rainey had knocked on Roop’s door, but received no answer. While Rainey was walking down the drive-way, Roop pulled up in his pickup truck and asked why Rainey was at his house. Rainey explained that he was selling steak and seafood. The witness said Roop then pulled out a black handgun and shot Rainey. As Rainey lay on the ground, Roop fired another bullet into the back of his head.

Roop later told police that he shot Rainey in the head “for effect” and that he had three no trespassing signs on his property. Roop said he feared for his life.

“I’m not going to give him the chance to do something to me,” he told police. “I was in fear.”

An off-duty Collier County sheriff’s deputy was nearby and heard the gunshots. When she arrived at Roop’s property, she found Rainey dying on the ground while Roop was in his garage reloading his handgun.

“He was telling the officer, ‘he stepped on my property, he trespassed, I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property,’ somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable,” one witness told the The News-Press. “She never flinched. She deserves a medal. I don’t think he was done [shooting].”

The deputy ordered Roop to drop his weapon and held him at gunpoint until police officers arrived.

Roop’s neighbors described him as “the neighborhood crazy.” Roop has a concealed weapons permit and approximately 14 firearms.

Well then I guess a 5 case deal on a combo pack is out of the question?...

[WOOO]

It's not like either of these guys were going to re-write Beethoven's fifth

So this is Darwinian good luck?

[BILL ANVIL]

Of Course you are RIGHT booty, every reasonable person would agree with you, but in America, they breed CRAZY by the hundreds of thousands, and their will be many gun nutters who will justify this CRAZY MANS actions!  When half the population is CRAZY, it soon becomes hard to tell which is the crazy side and which isn't, as both the crazies and the non crazies both accuse each other of being crazy.  America is a CRAZY place for CRAZY people!

sad but true. you can mix religious whackos in with that too lol

[Straw Man]

^^^ Oh Brother, now the Pitbull Nutters have arrived!

It always surprises me how many getbiggers deeply identify with deranged, psychotic and unhinged individuals.

I stopped being surprised by that a long time ago

They are basically no different than the nutbag in this story

He was and is batshit crazy but until the day that he murders a door to door saleman he's just a harmless moron

The same is no doubt true for at least a few people who post on this site

They have definite mental problems but there is no law against that until the day they finally snap

[uberman]

The victim:

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Nicholas_Rainey_4485847/

looks like he deserved to be shot. Prolly got into an argument with old dude before getting shot. Do we have the whole story here?
People are quick to condemn the shooter, but what about we adress the reasons why he became so paranoid in the first place? Like living a society that's more and more pernicious, dishonest and violent ?

[freespirit]

I stopped being surprised by that a long time ago

They are basically no different than the nutbag in this story

He was and is batshit crazy but until the day that he murders a door to door saleman he's just a harmless moron

The same is no doubt true for at least a few people who post on this site

They have definite mental problems but there is no law against that until the day they finally snap

Names?

[uberman]

What about the poor children going trick or treating at halloween with these kind of nutters around. 

you re the only nut if you allow your kids to do that kind of retarded shit.

[Hulkotron]

At least no bodybuilders were involved.

[dj181]

At least no bodybuilders were involved.

 

[The Abdominal Snoman]

hahahahaha

america

A lot of Florida is a cess pool. Not really America.

[E-Kul]

looks like he deserved to be shot. Prolly got into an argument with old dude before getting shot. Do we have the whole story here?
People are quick to condemn the shooter, but what about we adress the reasons why he became so paranoid in the first place? Like living a society that's more and more pernicious, dishonest and violent ?

From the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like the salesman deserved to be shot, even if an argument broke out, which the shooter hasn't indicated is the case, their is no reason to shoot a man who is on your property, and not trespassing.  Even under the LAW, people have the right to enter your property and knock on the door, if no-one answers they also have the right to leave via the driveway or the quickest route, regardless of any signs a whackjob has put up.  It sounds like this man was just bordering on the edge for a long time, it wasn't the first time he had pulled a gun on someone, years before he was charged for pulling a gun on the meter reader and he often made complaints about the kiddies playing in front of the house.

I agree that the underlying issues need to be dealt with, the average citizen has little power or leverage, and essentially has little control over their own life, they basically have to TRUST their government, and if people are upset at their government, they can live in a perpetual state of annoyance.  I think this is the biggest reason Americans love guns, it helps restore some of the control they feel they have sacrificed to live in a democratic country.  Personally, I think everyone would be better off if they got more politically involved like the old days, learnt more about the process, interacted more with it and tried harder to change the system for the better.  The alternative is to sit and stew in your own hatred and misery about how shit the whole system is and slowly cut yourself off from civilised society, like this man did.

[Shockwave]

From the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like the salesman deserved to be shot, even if an argument broke out, which the shooter hasn't indicated is the case, their is no reason to shoot a man who is on your property, and not trespassing.  Even under the LAW, people have the right to enter your property and knock on the door, if no-one answers they also have the right to leave via the driveway or the quickest route, regardless of any signs a whackjob has put up.  It sounds like this man was just bordering on the edge for a long time, it wasn't the first time he had pulled a gun on someone, years before he was charged for pulling a gun on the meter reader and he often made complaints about the kiddies playing in front of the house.

I agree that the underlying issues need to be dealt with, the average citizen has little power or leverage, and essentially has little control over their own life, they basically have to TRUST their government, and if people are upset at their government, they can live in a perpetual state of annoyance.  I think this is the biggest reason Americans love guns, it helps restore some of the control they feel they have sacrificed to live in a democratic country.  Personally, I think everyone would be better off if they got more politically involved like the old days, learnt more about the process, interacted more with it and tried harder to change the system for the better.  The alternative is to sit and stew in your own hatred and misery about how shit the whole system is and slowly cut yourself off from civilised society, like this man did.

The man had absolutely zero right to shoot the salesman.

[NotSure]

He had no legitimate reason to trespass on his property. You should be allowed to kill anyone who illegally does, especially with signs posted.

Ok you are officially the straight candidizzle and im even beginning to question your sexuality fat head.

[333386]

This douchebag deserve the chair 

[outby43]

If there are signs to not trespass then he deserved to get shot.  No different than a military institution that has "deadly force will be used" notices for trespassers.  No Trespassing does not mean "except for salesmen"

[tommywishbone]

every house should have an armed guard

 

Not only that, but each armed guard of each house, should himself have an armed guard. I always say, "If you don't guard the guard, what good is the guard?"

[E-Kul]

If there are signs to not trespass then he deserved to get shot.  No different than a military institution that has "deadly force will be used" notices for trespassers.  No Trespassing does not mean "except for salesmen"

You obviously don't understand the law, citizens are not military institutions, and under the law other citizens have the legal right to enter your property, anybody, including government workers, like census collectors.  Putting up a sign doesn't make any difference.  if you wish to not have anybody trespass, you need to have secure fencing and access points secured with locks.  You need to do everything possible to keep people out.  Putting up NO TRESPASS signs in a suburban area should be a sign of mental illness.

[Voice of Doom]

You obviously don't understand the law, citizens are not military institutions, and under the law other citizens have the legal right to enter your property, anybody, including government workers, like census collectors.  Putting up a sign doesn't make any difference.  if you wish to not have anybody trespass, you need to have secure fencing and access points secured with locks.  You need to do everything possible to keep people out.  Putting up NO TRESPASS signs in a suburban area should be a sign of mental illness.

You are incorrect.  Citizens do not have "a right" to trespass on another person's legally recognized private property.  Law enforcement and census workers have specific legal language that permits them limited access for limited periods of time in limited capacity to enter your property for specific reasons.  After that they must have a Judicial warrant to be on private property or engage in investigation.  This owner obviously overreacted, shot a man apparently unprovoked and then executed him on his driveway.  The courts will see this clearly as it is...a murder investigation...not a "gun issue" or a "CHL" issue or a "private property" issue.  

[outby43]

You obviously don't understand the law, citizens are not military institutions, and under the law other citizens have the legal right to enter your property, anybody, including government workers, like census collectors.  Putting up a sign doesn't make any difference.  if you wish to not have anybody trespass, you need to have secure fencing and access points secured with locks.  You need to do everything possible to keep people out.  Putting up NO TRESPASS signs in a suburban area should be a sign of mental illness.

Then why do they make these signs?

[TrueGrit]

The victim:

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Nicholas_Rainey_4485847/

Joint-casing for drug money..

[240 is Back]

i think this happened back in July of last year?