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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2013, 02:15:05 PM »

Oz, it is coming true RIGHT NOW.  What could you possibly call a continuous loss of rights, if not demise?


Like what?


Prohibition?
Civil Rights for all?
Affirmative action?
Women's right to vote?


Or are you talking about the National Defense Authorization Act?  (I think that's the name of it)

I am very much against that, but its not pre-curser to a fascist state, FFS.

As an exercise, so i know what rights have been taken away from me, please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:


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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 02:24:14 PM »

I wiki'd Lucky Brand jeans after reading your stupid thread on the G&O last week and it was co-founded by a Jew.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So basically Ah med  is supporting Jewish companies.


I wonder if he burning the jeans right now and saying 2000 Hail Mohammads   Cheesy 
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2013, 02:49:14 PM »

Like what?


Prohibition?
Civil Rights for all?
Affirmative action?
Women's right to vote?


Or are you talking about the National Defense Authorization Act?  (I think that's the name of it)

I am very much against that, but its not pre-curser to a fascist state, FFS.

As an exercise, so i know what rights have been taken away from me, please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:

What would it be a precursor to, OzmO?



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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 03:03:28 PM »

Just can't get America off your mind, like every other individual and nation on earth.  American dominates your mind.  Your opinion means nothing, changes nothing, and won't convince anyone.  Congratulations on extolling America's devilishness on an internet board that likes to critique oiled-up men flexing in thongs. 

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2013, 03:32:02 PM »

So basically Ah med  is supporting Jewish companies.


I wonder if he burning the jeans right now and saying 2000 Hail Mohammads   Cheesy 

hahahahhahahah!!!
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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2013, 04:04:54 PM »

What would it be a precursor to, OzmO?





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please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2013, 04:56:29 PM »

Help me out here, OzmO.  I give the highest respect to you for our Rumsfeld thread, so I'm being sincere.  I want to provide what you're looking for, but I don't want to waste time.  Are you suggesting that we have not lost rights, or are you suggesting that the rights losses aren't important?  If you're seeking a list of legal acts that have had an impact on our rights, I want to know your motivation.
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2013, 05:32:56 PM »

Help me out here, OzmO.  I give the highest respect to you for our Rumsfeld thread, so I'm being sincere.  I want to provide what you're looking for, but I don't want to waste time.  Are you suggesting that we have not lost rights, or are you suggesting that the rights losses aren't important?  If you're seeking a list of legal acts that have had an impact on our rights, I want to know your motivation.

sigh......


Can you answer the question or not?

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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2013, 05:34:30 PM »

sigh......


Can you answer the question or not?



If the rights lost don't affect your daily life they don't county?  Huh
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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2013, 05:36:06 PM »

If the rights lost don't affect your daily life they don't county?  Huh

The argument is we are heading towards fascism is it not?

Or is it we are heading to our demise?
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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2013, 05:38:40 PM »

My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.

Can anyone here make a reasonable case with out spamming VIDs or articles or cheap arguments?

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2013, 05:41:50 PM »

My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.



Oh, I see what you're saying.
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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2013, 05:45:23 PM »

My original point is PIP, on the demise part, is that we hear this every decade.  

Our country has a knack of correcting its self.  Its news sensationalism, its been a good seller since TV started.

Can anyone here make a reasonable case with out spamming VIDs or articles or cheap arguments?


Rome limped on for many years before it's inevitable collapse.

We do here about it all the time.... but eventually it's going to be true. We seem to correct ourselves slightly, but not enough to make up the ground we lost. It's like we take 2 steps backwards and 1 foot forwards, eventually we're going to hit the bottom.
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2013, 05:50:46 PM »

Rome limped on for many years before it's inevitable collapse.

We do here about it all the time.... but eventually it's going to be true. We seem to correct ourselves slightly, but not enough to make up the ground we lost. It's like we take 2 steps backwards and 1 foot forwards, eventually we're going to hit the bottom.

So?  Because Rome limped for 2-4 hundred years we are destined to repeat even though economics, civilization, society, technology and culture are completely different now?

Kind of a weak argument, based on little fact or any real actual comparison, don't ya think?
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2013, 05:55:24 PM »

I mean seriously, take Jags for example, every 6 months or so since 2007 she posts up all sorts of gloom and doom crap.  NEVER does it come true.

In the 20's it was organized crime and drinking
In the 30's it was the depression
In the 40's Japan thought we wear to lazy and soft.
In the 50's rock and roll was our doom
In the 60's it was sex and drugs
In the 70's it was gas and unemployment
In the 80's is was Japan again ruling the market
In the 90's it was the world bank controlling everything
Now its the "collapse..........."

what ever............ Roll Eyes


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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2013, 06:11:55 PM »

what's a matter?

can't answer the question:

please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:



Privacy rights for sure with warrantless wiretapping.
If you're accused of being an enemy combatant you lose just about everything...no counsel, no speedy trial, no nothing really.
And the gov't hides everything under the guise of national security...so freedom of information/press is probably in limbo as well.
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« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2013, 06:23:29 PM »

sigh......
Can you answer the question or not?

I hope so.

went through one yesterday.  they told me to take my belt off.  I didn't and went through anyway.  I do this shit all the time.
TSA =  Joke

If you had been taken into the security center for this, and made to miss your flight while the authorities removed data from your electronic devices, and caused you to suffer further consequences for hours, and perhaps longer, all for nothing...

Would you feel differently about the subject?
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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2013, 06:28:53 PM »

So?  Because Rome limped for 2-4 hundred years we are destined to repeat even though economics, civilization, society, technology and culture are completely different now?

Kind of a weak argument, based on little fact or any real actual comparison, don't ya think?
The one thing that hasn't changed is human nature.

I'm not saying all these guys predicting the collapse have any real validity, just that it is inevitable. Every great empire throughout history has fallen. To think that we're somehow different because of our culture or technology, IMHO, is incredibly arrogant.
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« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2013, 06:33:02 PM »

The one thing that hasn't changed is human nature.

I'm not saying all these guys predicting the collapse have any real validity, just that it is inevitable. Every great empire throughout history has fallen. To think that we're somehow different because of our culture or technology, IMHO, is incredibly arrogant.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Seriously. All throughout history, there have been revolutions, we are no different. Only difference is how violent or velvet the revolution will be.
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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2013, 06:46:46 PM »

I hope so.

If you had been taken into the security center for this, and made to miss your flight while the authorities removed data from your electronic devices, and caused you to suffer further consequences for hours, and perhaps longer, all for nothing...

Would you feel differently about the subject?


Is that your answer?   Huh

BTW,  i have been caught by TSA for these things:

Bullet made into a necklace i bought my son  (had to mail it)
Busted for liquids in carry on
Busted for Projector
Busted for BELT
Busted for things in my cargo pants pockets

result:   the things, JUST HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH THE X-ray

So, bring me some facts please, NOT FANTASY.

what's a matter?

can't answer the question:

please list those rights (there are some) i no longer have since 9/11 and how they affect my daily life:
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« Reply #45 on: February 19, 2013, 06:47:11 PM »

I'd say digital technology has pulled us into a high-speed slipstream toward destruction.  It provides the perfect tool for totalitarianism.  The shit is a crazy train, going off the rails.
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« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2013, 06:48:19 PM »

I'd say digital technology has pulled us into a high-speed slipstream toward destruction.  It provides the perfect tool for totalitarianism.  The shit is a crazy train, going off the rails.

can you support any of your assertions or arguments with actual facts, and not more questions or other arguments?
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« Reply #47 on: February 19, 2013, 06:49:24 PM »

Is that your answer?   Huh

BTW,  i have been caught by TSA for these things:

Bullet made into a necklace i bought my son  (had to mail it)
Busted for liquids in carry on
Busted for Projector
Busted for BELT
Busted for things in my cargo pants pockets

result:   the things, JUST HAD TO GO BACK THROUGH THE X-ray

So, bring me some facts please, NOT FANTASY.


Sounds like you've been lucky.

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« Reply #48 on: February 19, 2013, 06:51:47 PM »



Privacy rights for sure with warrantless wiretapping.
If you're accused of being an enemy combatant you lose just about everything...no counsel, no speedy trial, no nothing really.
And the gov't hides everything under the guise of national security...so freedom of information/press is probably in limbo as well.

These are things i knew had happened.  I was hoping someone who believed the sky was failing could actually list them.  Is that all there is?

I am very much against these things, but do these things indicate we are heading towards fascism?  I think not.

if you are accused of being a enemy combatant in the USA you still have rights do you not?  Its only that way if abroad right?
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« Reply #49 on: February 19, 2013, 06:53:48 PM »

Sounds like you've been lucky.



In the last 12 years i have been through a security line at least 4-8 times a month if not more.  Not lucky.  I just live reality. 
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