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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2013, 07:56:20 AM »
BFG= boring fucking gimmick

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« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2013, 07:56:41 AM »
flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.

Pre contest would look something like

Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids

nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.

Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.

Please tell us more. What about Kev locking himself in a room wearing fatigues, drinking JD and playing with army figurines? What truth is there to these crazy stories???


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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #52 on: February 23, 2013, 07:58:43 AM »
Supposedly, from what I read, Flex would even use just a needle to stick holes all over
his calves to build scar tissue. If true, that is highly idiotic.

Flex's calves were completely fucked up. His shoulders were fucked.

The claim that Synthol can be used in a way that enhances your physique is complete
fucking bullshit. Even relatively small quantities of just gear shot in the delt for example will
make the muscle look worse over time due to all the scar tissue. If possible I would put all my shots in the glutes. Every time you do an injection you are doing microscopic damage to the muscle, do it hundreds or thousands of times and it wont look that good.

Take a look at this shit.



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So agree with everything you said about synthol. I guess I'm not a pro bb so I dont have their mindset but as far as synthol why would I put something in me that's not building muscle or making me stronger? Obviously gains from juice are temporary too butat least they are building real muscle and letting me smash heavy weights in the gym. Who thinks big delts, that are loaded with oil to the point where the skin is stretched out and looking almost shiny, looks good? Levrone was about the only one to pull it off in shoulders but he used escliene (sp?). Ruhl, Nasser, Flex all their delts looked like SHIT! Contest shape but nary a striation to be seen in their delts. Look at Ronnie's most muscular, striation city. Flex's bdb, blobs for delts

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #53 on: February 23, 2013, 08:01:03 AM »
Does Phil Heath use PMMA in your opinion?
What's PMMA specifically?

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #54 on: February 23, 2013, 08:05:14 AM »
Contest shape buit nary a striation to be seen in their delts. Look at Ronnie's most muscular, striation city. Flex's bdb, blobs for delts

These are shoulder striations!






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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #55 on: February 23, 2013, 08:09:36 AM »
Exactly! Also notice the separation between the delts and arms, where the tris flare out. With the synthol guys, the delts just kind of meld into the arms and the delts are so big you dont see that tricep popping out

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #56 on: February 23, 2013, 08:13:22 AM »
BFG= boring fucking gimmick
How is he a gimmick if someone like me knows many ifbb pros and national competitors that do this, remember I practically live at these shows. I am on stage with thousands of competitors yearly but more importantly I am back stage with them and I have had many discussions with some big freaks. BFG was not the first I heard talk about GH IV, in fact I know a guy who was doing this in 07

These site injections are no secret, what he wrote is exactly how it goes down. I also happen to know someone who puts 100 injections  3-4 days out and we are talking national level here.

Everything BFG writes is 100% spot on so hes not a gimmick.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2013, 08:13:29 AM »
"Charles Glass" oh brother

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« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2013, 08:14:29 AM »
What's PMMA specifically?

I THINK it's a combo of Polymethylmethacrylate and collagen. It's mostly used for "butt lifts".
Not approved for these indications in the US so they apparently go to Mexico to get it injected.

I haven't looked into this much at all.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2013, 08:15:30 AM »
Does Phil Heath use PMMA in your opinion?

his arm size is not because of PMMA, its because of genetics. Does or he has used some PMMA now or in the past? maybe, it wouldnt be surprising but thats not why he has huge arms relative to everything else (thats genetics) nor why he doesnt come in as grainy as others (again, genetics).

everyone uses pretty much the same stuff, there arent any secrets or moral reservations to not use a certain substance at that level.

Heath was able to progress so rapidly because he has an awesome response to hormones and because Jay gave him access to his GH and gear hookup (read: practically free all you can inject gear and large quantities of reasonably priced pharm grade GH) and explained to him the protocols he used himself.

Jay knows his shit when it comes to the best way to use drugs. He learned at a very young age from Chris Aceto and ran with that knowledge. The #1 most important thing Jay explained to Heath that gave him the advantage out of the gates is that its all about peptides right now...then he provided him with the quantity of the peptides and the protocol to use them. He did this because he recognized Heath had insane genetics.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2013, 08:15:48 AM »
It seems to be the new "Synthol" yes.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2013, 08:30:18 AM »
his arm size is not because of PMMA, its because of genetics.

I know that. I'm asking since this seems like a new fad. Maybe this can be used in a way that doesn't distort the shape as much as oil, I have no idea? For example, Phil might have used this stuff in his delts, since width has been his problem.

I'm asking you, since you say you know what the top guys are doing specifically. You should have heard rumors about this stuff at the very least ... if the top guys are getting this done.


Jay knows his shit when it comes to the best way to use drugs. He learned at a very young age from Chris Aceto and ran with that knowledge.

Aceto claims he knows pretty much nothing about drugs and does NOT provide advice wrt to drugs. Said this on rxmuscle. What do you think? :D

I remember back in the early 90s, I read an interview with Aceto and Aceto said he didn't deal much with the drug part, and his usual advice was just to cut whatever the client was doing in half.
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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2013, 08:34:10 AM »
How is he a gimmick if someone like me knows many ifbb pros and national competitors that do this, remember I practically live at these shows. I am on stage with thousands of competitors yearly but more importantly I am back stage with them and I have had many discussions with some big freaks. BFG was not the first I heard talk about GH IV, in fact I know a guy who was doing this in 07

These site injections are no secret, what he wrote is exactly how it goes down. I also happen to know someone who puts 100 injections  3-4 days out and we are talking national level here.

Everything BFG writes is 100% spot on so hes not a gimmick.
He certainly doesnt push an agenda or talk about himself like he's someone important. If he is the real thing and that Mr. O competitor cycle he posted is real, then holy fuck. That's allot of gear! Thing is, I could totally see cetain guys taking that much. 500mgs of sust ED, ha!

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2013, 08:56:04 AM »
I know that. I'm asking since this seems like a new fad. Maybe this can be used in a way that doesn't distort the shape as much as oil, I have no idea? For example, Phil might have used this stuff in his delts, since width has been his problem.

I'm asking you, since you say you know what the top guys are doing specifically. You should have heard rumors about this stuff at the very least ... if the top guys are getting this done.

To my knowledge he didnt use PMMA in his delts. Hany takes a lot of credit for Phil's increased shoulder width, citing FST-7 as the catalyst for it. As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly and then doing a ton of pump sets for it over a period of time to stretch the muscle fascia. I have heard of using a longer absorbing oil, (a la synthol just not the same brand) being injected very deep, almost under the muscle to cause it to "pop" out. this is done a lot with the medial delts.

PMMA in the top ranks is mostly used for shaping a muscle, not for size. a torn muscle or genetically odd shaped muscle thats causing loss of points in competition would receive PMMA.

Aceto claims he knows pretty much nothing about drugs and does NOT provide advice wrt to drugs. Said this on rxmuscle. What do you think? :D

I remember back in the early 90s, I read an interview with Aceto and Aceto said he didn't deal much with the drug part, and his usual advice was just to cut whatever the client was doing in half.
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lol. Aceto is a huge proponent of suspensions...i can tell you for a FACT that one protocol he encouraged was an amp of parabolan, an amp of test suspension and an amp of winstrol suspension morning, noon and night every single day.

by the way...when Jay was a broke kid, trying to become a bodybuilder with zero money to his pocket - Aceto took him in and trained him. What do you think Aceto wanted in return? hmmm

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2013, 09:00:34 AM »
flex would stick needles full of gear, esiclene and MCT oil all over his body.

Pre contest would look something like

Delts = T shape, 4-5 shots per delt
Traps = 4-6 shots total, 2-3 on each side from top to bottom
Biceps = 4 shots total, 2 per head
Calves = 4-5 shots, basically hit from every single angle
Back = 2-3 per lat, top to bottom, about 2 in the rhomboids

nasser was worse. he would lie face down on his hotel room bed while his girlfriend/wife at the time would stick each muscle in his back with esiclene shots usually resulting in his body being covered in streaks of blood, oil and pro tan. ironically, the amount of pain he endured never really improved his back relative to his competition on stage.

Kev did the same. He was on another level, mentally. If there was one person who would push their body to death and not give a shit it was Kev. Honestly, i dont think anyone wouldve been surprised if he killed himself in the last few weeks of contest prep.

not exactly
you have to quote right
he wrote he was bent over a chair..LOL

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2013, 09:04:06 AM »
As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly


How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???


by the way...when Jay was a broke kid, trying to become a bodybuilder with zero money to his pocket - Aceto took him in and trained him. What do you think Aceto wanted in return? hmmm

Goddamn gays  :D

Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2013, 09:08:58 AM »
To my knowledge he didnt use PMMA in his delts. Hany takes a lot of credit for Phil's increased shoulder width, citing FST-7 as the catalyst for it. As I hope everyone is aware at this point, FST-7 involves large IM insulin doses in combination with high volume steroid oil injections into one specific cite repeatedly and then doing a ton of pump sets for it over a period of time to stretch the muscle fascia. I have heard of using a longer absorbing oil, (a la synthol just not the same brand) being injected very deep, almost under the muscle to cause it to "pop" out. this is done a lot with the medial delts.

PMMA in the top ranks is mostly used for shaping a muscle, not for size. a torn muscle or genetically odd shaped muscle thats causing loss of points in competition would receive PMMA.

Aceto claims he knows pretty much nothing about drugs and does NOT provide advice wrt to drugs. Said this on rxmuscle. What do you think? :D

I remember back in the early 90s, I read an interview with Aceto and Aceto said he didn't deal much with the drug part, and his usual advice was just to cut whatever the client was doing in half.
 :D



lol. Aceto is a huge proponent of suspensions...i can tell you for a FACT that one protocol he encouraged was an amp of parabolan, an amp of test suspension and an amp of winstrol suspension morning, noon and night every single day.

by the way...when Jay was a broke kid, trying to become a bodybuilder with zero money to his pocket - Aceto took him in and trained him. What do you think Aceto wanted in return? hmmm


all i can say is that aceto was in the BB scene very well known for his knowledge about nutrition pre and drugs at least since eraly 90s

his clients were many male an female pro BB (anyone belive he didn t know what his wife took, lolol, laura crevalle, multiple ms o finalist)

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2013, 09:09:44 AM »
How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???

Goddamn gays  :D

Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.

he uses insulin in large doses, it s written in his abs

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2013, 09:10:55 AM »
How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???

Goddamn gays  :D

Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.

jay was never a broken kid

thats BS, many g4p guys out there but not jay

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #69 on: February 23, 2013, 09:12:46 AM »
How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???

Goddamn gays  :D

Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.

Not a new phenomenon. In the past, many pro bodybuilders claimed they were all natural. Now, its pretty much obvious that there are steroids in the sport of bodybuilding (shocker) so to claim you have the best genetics but still sound realistic you deny using slin, or gh, or whatever.

Just my guess, I'm not inside the head of Phil or his friends. Its a funny denial, though, because a majority of his transformation from random competitor to pro came from peptides.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2013, 09:13:48 AM »
jay was never a broken kid

thats BS, many g4p guys out there but not jay

So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2013, 09:17:45 AM »
How come all Phil's friends vehemently deny that Phil EVER used ANY insulin? There were
tons of internet fights on professionalmuscle over this issue. Guys going crazy whenever anyone
suggested Phil used insulin, because they "had been at Phil's house when things were discussed". :D Kinda strange that they feel this strongly about this particular compound. ???

Goddamn gays  :D

Same shit keeps repeating itself, like with this O'Reagan guru and the latest phenom kid.

O'Reagan is probably one of the most fraudulent of all the "gurus". At least Aceto had the insight to schmoe with someone who would be a future Mr. O and he recognized that. O'Reagan just tells everyone to take 1-2 grams of test and then his "secret" is that he tells them to take 200mg anadrol, deca and tren all together. he cant even get pharm grade GH.

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2013, 09:22:16 AM »
So you think Jay paid for Christ Aceto's services as a teenager? And he paid for all the drugs too? With what money, exactly?

how the fuck would you know otherwise?  Like you have any firsthand knowledge of what Jay Cutler did as a teenager.

another fucking gimmick..I've heard every single thing you have said in this thread before, you are just wording it differently and trying to sound like some sort of authority


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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2013, 09:46:33 AM »

Jay knows his shit when it comes to the best way to use drugs. He learned at a very young age from Chris Aceto and ran with that knowledge. The #1 most important thing Jay explained to Heath that gave him the advantage out of the gates is that its all about peptides right now...then he provided him with the quantity of the peptides and the protocol to use them. He did this because he recognized Heath had insane genetics.

Not a new phenomenon. In the past, many pro bodybuilders claimed they were all natural. Now, its pretty much obvious that there are steroids in the sport of bodybuilding (shocker) so to claim you have the best genetics but still sound realistic you deny using slin, or gh, or whatever.

Just my guess, I'm not inside the head of Phil or his friends. Its a funny denial, though, because a majority of his transformation from random competitor to pro came from peptides.

hi PJ

so in a few months you'll have a "legit" source for the masses, some elves and your own message board

we know how this works

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Re: Kovacs tells the truth about Nasser
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2013, 10:03:25 AM »
this thread is useless without the part that nasser said...




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