yeah, they dont get to see their muscle, so whats the point. 
the brutal thing is, some never realize.
in my gym, which is the only bbuilder gym in town(the rest is all fitness stuff), we have no doubt some guys who dwarf me,and would dwarf me if they come lean.
most of them approach me after a while and ask how i keep my conditioning and whether gh is the reason.then i tell them i maybe eat different than you guys.
even the few pros who are there congratulate me on my dryness, you know,saying "ah, always lean,nice"
a permabulker is simply on too many of the wrong drugs most of the time and knows no limits and restrains when it comes to eating,thinks he needs so much food to grow.
i remember, when i was permabulker myself, never once in my lifetime had another bulker guy impressed me, the ones who are impressive in person were always the lean guys with some mass, man i was shocked when i seen some lean bodybuilders on a fibo the first time in person.
indeed, they walk around with high blod pressure, face red like swines, out of breath at any time, moonface,everything one wouldnt wanna have.
i know some ppl who put on 2 pullovers and 2 jackets in order to appear bigger. 
Yup, good points. Especially dudes who run multiple compounds. Not to keep briniging up my training partner, i LOVE the guy, but hes the prefect example..constantly on a laundry list if substances, NEVER happy with his build. And i say how the hell do you even know what is doing what inside your body? I run the same exact shit , good ol tren...never changes. The only other drugs i would take would be winstrol, equipose (maybe) primo, masteron, anavar...if it isn't going to make me lean and muscular, what's the point ? I could give fuck-all about being massive and strong. And i would take them standalone, or with a small, small test base, so i can intelligently gauge how my body reacts to them
