Transgendered MMA fighter comes out

[gracie bjj]

i agree that he shouldnt be allowed to fight the women, he should have to fight the dudes cause thats what he is

[tu_holmes]

i agree that he shouldnt be allowed to fight the women, he should have to fight the dudes cause thats what he is

Obviously, "she" has a genetic advantage over women due to spending the majority of his life as a man.

No judgement on her sexuality at all, but is her fighting other always born women fair?

I would say most likely not.

[sarahdunlap]

Wow, this is something else!  What would be the difference to an over antagonized female fighter?  I fought MMA way before I ever took a supplement (age 18-20 you can look it up), luckily never ran into a woman with such dispositions, but yet, I would feel if I lost to a born "male" fighting in a female league, surgery, hormones, whatever, I would be against the loss and try to fight the legality. (this is my opinion only)
   I would be angry for she definitely has an unfair advantage, no matter what she says about the two-year hormone level balance.  I don't agree with the winning before she came "out"-- However, IFC, UFC, and other federations of the sort, are similar to the IFBB in that they truly do not test for hormones, she should legally keep her belts and continue to fight.  (study of legality, not my opinion)
    If a female fighter knows her next fight is with a transgender, would that make her more likely to experiment with steroids to find a fair playing field?  Causing to the Domino Theory?  I think this is an ethical disaster, and truly immoral to fight without truth. Steroids/hormones are one thing, but cutting off your twig and berries- is another.  She said it herself she was playing "devils advocate."  She knows her time fighting without truth was in fact wrong.  Like I said, if I saw her in the ring before me in my days of fighting, I would be angry to lose to a born male, I'd be happy to kick her ass though.  She is really pretty which is cool, but the ethical nature of this case, makes me say she is not due her championships prior to "coming out"--
Legally okay, ethically wrong.

[Danny-Boy]

Wow, this is something else!  What would be the difference to an over antagonized female fighter?  I fought MMA way before I ever took a supplement (age 18-20 you can look it up), luckily never ran into a woman with such dispositions, but yet, I would feel if I lost to a born "male" fighting in a female league, surgery, hormones, whatever, I would be against the loss and try to fight the legality. (this is my opinion only)
   I would be angry for she definitely has an unfair advantage, no matter what she says about the two-year hormone level balance.  I don't agree with the winning before she came "out"-- However, IFC, UFC, and other federations of the sort, are similar to the IFBB in that they truly do not test for hormones, she should legally keep her belts and continue to fight.  (study of legality, not my opinion)
    If a female fighter knows her next fight is with a transgender, would that make her more likely to experiment with steroids to find a fair playing field?  Causing to the Domino Theory?  I think this is an ethical disaster, and truly immoral to fight without truth. Steroids/hormones are one thing, but cutting off your twig and berries- is another.  She said it herself she was playing "devils advocate."  She knows her time fighting without truth was in fact wrong.  Like I said, if I saw her in the ring before me in my days of fighting, I would be angry to lose to a born male, I'd be happy to kick her ass though.  She is really pretty which is cool, but the ethical nature of this case, makes me say she is not due her championships prior to "coming out"--
Legally okay, ethically wrong.

She was 'born" a female w 2 X X Female Sex chromosomes w a male SRY gene that hopped a ride onto her X-Female linked chromosome during development,, thus enabling her an unfair advantage.. This part i agree with

[sarahdunlap]

She was 'born" a female w 2 X X Female Sex chromosomes w a male SRY gene that hopped a ride onto her X-Female linked chromosome during development,, thus enabling her an unfair advantage.. This part i agree with

my bad for the misinformation, but still sits to the same side of the argument...  Thanks for clearing up,  I just wanted to delve into the ethical issues here... 

[tu_holmes]

my bad for the misinformation, but still sits to the same side of the argument...  Thanks for clearing up,  I just wanted to delve into the ethical issues here... 

Basically, it would be like if a boxer got a genetic mutation to be bigger and stronger on purpose... If you could prove it, they should be banned from the sport.

[sarahdunlap]

Basically, it would be like if a boxer got a genetic mutation to be bigger and stronger on purpose... If you could prove it, they should be banned from the sport.

I hear you.  It is the federation's up front decisions to decide who fights and how... If they choose the "No testing policy"  then she is game to keep her winnings, but if they want to play like an Olympic sanctioned sport?  No dice. No way, no how, never. 

[Danny-Boy]

Hey no worries !!  I don't expect many to be exposed to this type of information. as I have been due to my chosen profession . So def no offense !!  hehe  BUT YES.. She has had an unfair advantage and had used that to her career /monetary gain..  Can I blame her?   hmmm

[sarahdunlap]

Hey no worries !!  I don't expect many to be exposed to this type of information. as I have been due to my chosen profession . So def no offense !!  hehe  BUT YES.. She has had an unfair advantage and had used that to her career /monetary gain..  Can I blame her?   hmmm

Can't blame her!! She's got one hell of a roundhouse too!

[anabolichalo]

i feel like i could beat up a lot of female fighters


so if i get breast implants and a wig i can make money doing so?

[arce1988]

  You did MMA Sarah? Where?

[anabolichalo]

oleg taktarov is a cool guy

but how come he made that really weird BS instructional tape with vladimir vasiliev?


is vladimir vasiliev a legit fighter or a scam artist

[arce1988]

  oleg made those shitty videos because he needed the money   

[sarahdunlap]

  You did MMA Sarah? Where?

You guys are hilarious!

Yeah I fought two years prior to my bodybuilding career. I trained with Practical Fighting Concepts in Pittsburgh, I was on the Pitt (University of Pittsburgh) MMA team/group, as well I trained with a private coach, Donnie Kacher (I think I'm spelling it right) three times a week.  I competed only twice simply grappling tournaments.  One at the Arnold Classic in 2000 (lost by decision only a month into training), and I won a gold at King of the Rings IV in Wheeling, WV also 2000.  Sweet, I took this chick out with an arm-bar in the final seconds of the last round.  The bitch tapped though... I was so proud

[arce1988]

  Congrats Sarah. Very cool.

[randy841]

Or better yet, folks like you who pass judgment on people they don't personally know nor should you care what they do because it has no affect on you, should be burned at the stake.

Even nature passes judgement, because homosexuals cannot reproduce. Thereby, it gets rid of the biological cancer. Nevertheless, since you're contemplating your own choices even nature fails mankind in this respect to weed out the biological cancer, because some of you remain in monogamous relationships and reproduce.

[Danny-Boy]

From a technical standpoint, nature has actually found its way of masking this genetic coding within their siblings and allowed it to survive. Here, they are simply carriers. Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time and direct hinderance of homosexual reproduction has proven not to be a dead end.  Who are we to determine what nature sees as the norm?

[pedro01]

She was 'born" a female w 2 X X Female Sex chromosomes w a male SRY gene that hopped a ride onto her X-Female linked chromosome during development,, thus enabling her an unfair advantage.. This part i agree with

Where do you get this information from?

[Danny-Boy]

Where do you get this information from?

extensive studies in the discipline of genetics, embryology, neuroscience, to name a few> in this prison called medical school

[Primemuscle]

Even nature passes judgement, because homosexuals cannot reproduce. Thereby, it gets rid of the biological cancer. Nevertheless, since you're contemplating your own choices even nature fails mankind in this respect to weed out the biological cancer, because some of you remain in monogamous relationships and reproduce.

If you want to use a cancer analogy, it would be better applied to heterosexuals who continue to reproduce in huge numbers despite that this planet is grossly over-populated. Apparently your are ignorant when it comes to how cancer works.

Nature cannot pass judgment. Nature is not a person nor can it be controlled very successfully by people. Nature just is. Hurricane Katrina was nature at its fiercest. I suppose you believe that all those innocent people who died during this hurricane were being judged by nature?   

Some of you? I guess you are referencing me. I am not a cancer, there is nothing untoward about my monogamous relationship. My adult children are frankly much better people then many. They have successful longtime marriages. There contributions to the betterment of society is enormous. Can you say the same about yourself or your offspring? If so, what has been your most noteworthy contribution besides posting crap about people and circumstances you know nothing about?

[pedro01]

extensive studies in the discipline of genetics, embryology, neuroscience, to name a few> in this prison called medical school

OK - so basically you don't know anything about this specific case.

I have seen no evidece that there is any chromosomal abnormality with this specific person.

Were there such an abnormality, I am certain that "he" would be very vocal about expressing that to back up his case.

The presumption I would make about this specific transgender is that like most of their ilk, it is nothing more than a homosexual male with some severe mental issues.

To wit, there is zero evidence that this person was born any less that 100% male.

[cart@@n]

If a Mr. Olympia contestant decides to cut his penis off and put silicone breast implants, is it OK for him to compete at the Ms Olympia?

[Danny-Boy]

OK - so basically you don't know anything about this specific case.

I have seen no evidece that there is any chromosomal abnormality with this specific person.

Were there such an abnormality, I am certain that "he" would be very vocal about expressing that to back up his case.

The presumption I would make about this specific transgender is that like most of their ilk, it is nothing more than a homosexual male with some severe mental issues.

To wit, there is zero evidence that this person was born any less that 100% male.

Transgenders- who routinely seek sexual reassignment encompass those individuals feeling trapped in the opposite gender's body
THE MAJORITY of individuals that have this genetic mutation are from geographic regions encompassing people of LOW-INCOME.. Further, the majority who experience this physical developmental abnormality do not know or are even educated in their own differences

Transexuals - comprise of social deviants, who find a sexual fetish linked to the ornament of female garments, looks, etc.  THIS IS an abnormal psychological mindset, where  neurological abnormalities are implicated due to multi-factoral causes. HERE,  the environment play a major co-factor to their psycho-social perceptions and relations

Homosexual males garner a much smaller hypothalamic nucleus THAN heterosexual males, which is also identified as the SDN(Sexually Dimorphic Nucleus)...More Specifically, the interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus number 3 (INAH-3) is double the size in heterosexual males. Countless data has been drawn and mapped out on these figures.  The size and number of neurons located here are profoundly smaller number and

And once again I WILL re-iterate a simple point..HOMOSEXUALS do not wish for sexual re-assignment!!  ask any musclebear in here!!!  They are pretty confident in their appearance..  
As there is a wide spectrum of feminine characteristics amongst gay males, there is also a wide spectrum of behavioral traits amongst heterosexual females. Simplistic categorization is too easy and dangerous..

I have researched enough figures and studies to make my own conclusions supported by the majority within the medical field.. I am not an advocate of "gay pride" nor do I have an agenda.. but I am also not going to be ignorant and lump all these individuals into the same category > when current science says otherwise...  The study of neuroscience exposes me to these findings, where it is my duty to get a full grasp of the brain's interconnections.  

[Danny-Boy]

If a Mr. Olympia contestant decides to cut his penis off and put silicone breast implants, is it OK for him to compete at the Ms Olympia?

Reason why this fighter may technically not be penalized in this case is if a DNA analysis is done..  where her XX sex chromosomes will be apparent and also determine other synonymous syndromes accompanied to this type of case via specific amino acid sequencing, mRNA expression (cDNA microarrays), and several other technologies at our disposal

Further, she can win the battle of technically declaring herself a female due to her genotype..   I highly doubt Phil Heath could do the same... Incorrect analogy

[Danny-Boy]

ALSO, I have already stated that this fighter should NOT have been allowed to compete in the 1st place due to her physical advantages gained ..