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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2013, 02:29:06 PM »

nah, thats maybe for a 20year old with happy genetics.

for average guy age 30, trt is easy 4 times natural Cheesy
yeah i wanted to write double the test of a natural 18 year old nigerian
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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2013, 02:34:57 PM »

this is exactly whay i meant.

pll might think im jokng when i say natural bodybuilding is pointless, but im not joking.

im also not laughing at them, but theyre naive to believe otherwise.

not saying use gear, if gear is not for you, try other hobby and youll look better from a bbuilding perspective.lol.

very good post, explained exactly what i meant.

It is not pointless to me. I train very efficient. I spent 3 hours a week on natty bodybuilding and it is worth it. My big bonus is that Iam naturally very lean ecto so I look pretty good shirtless and even put some juicers to shame. My 16 inch arms look good in tight fitting sleeves.
I get attention from girls so I can always start a conversation from there.

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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2013, 02:45:02 PM »

It is not pointless to me. I train very efficient. I spent 3 hours a week on natty bodybuilding and it is worth it. My big bonus is that Iam naturally very lean ecto so I look pretty good shirtless and even put some juicers to shame. My 16 inch arms look good in tight fitting sleeves.
I get attention from girls so I can always start a conversation from there.


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« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2013, 02:49:16 PM »

nah, thats maybe for a 20year old with happy genetics.

for average guy age 30, trt is easy 4 times natural Cheesy
and for a 40'yr old even more Smiley. Btw I went  from trt dr who gave me max 500 every other week to a new dr who likes weight training and said  I can do 400 mg week along with 400 deca. Both from the pharmacy ..
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« Reply #54 on: March 08, 2013, 02:51:43 PM »

It is not pointless to me. I train very efficient. I spent 3 hours a week on natty bodybuilding and it is worth it. My big bonus is that Iam naturally very lean ecto so I look pretty good shirtless and even put some juicers to shame. My 16 inch arms look good in tight fitting sleeves.
I get attention from girls so I can always start a conversation from there.


16" lean natural arms is not normal
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« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2013, 03:06:16 PM »

16" lean natural arms is not normal

Are you serious? I know naturals are never taken serious on this boarding so in a way I guess Iam not normal  Cheesy
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« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2013, 03:07:14 PM »

Grin

one thing is, a former user can be quite big when he trains clean later on, much bigger than if he remained natural,i dont know why that is, but it is true.


Ahh, The beauty of muscle memory! It is amazing how you can get back up to a certain level clean, that you could never get to training natural your whole life up to that point.
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« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2013, 03:22:11 PM »

Ahh, The beauty of muscle memory! It is amazing how you can get back up to a certain level clean, that you could never get to training natural your whole life up to that point.
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« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2013, 03:24:22 PM »

don't forget sweet potatos



That must be the natural equivalent to slin  Grin
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« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2013, 03:31:31 PM »

DP, would you say on average dutch people have larger than average builds?

a lot of them seem like "big farm boy" type builds
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« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2013, 03:45:39 PM »

DP, would you say on average dutch people have larger than average builds?

a lot of them seem like "big farm boy" type builds

I think 'yes' in an absolute sense, since the Dutch belong to the tallest people in the world (in general, taller also means wider). Check for example:
Ted van der Parre, world's strongest man in '92 (213 cm)


Olivier Richters (217 cm)


or Alistair Overeem (196 cm)
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« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2013, 03:48:43 PM »

lol @ cutler next to tallest man in the world

that overeem guy is not dutch genetic tho
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« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2013, 03:50:11 PM »

You forgot the Bee Pollen and Squirrel Eggs.
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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2013, 03:56:59 PM »

lol @ cutler next to tallest man in the world

that overeem guy is not dutch genetic tho


I was at the same Jay meet, saw that women (wife of the gym owner), but not this giant.
Not sure if Alistair has mixed blood or not, but he prob loves Dutch food Wink
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« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2013, 04:03:21 PM »

Are you serious? I know naturals are never taken serious on this boarding so in a way I guess Iam not normal  Cheesy

It's not so much that you're abnormal. It's more of AnabolicHalo (and folks like him) with the woe-is-me victim mentality, who think they can't tie their shoes without a syringe.

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« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2013, 06:14:22 PM »

just lift for fun.
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« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2013, 02:09:42 PM »

I'm considering dropping the Vanadyl Sulfate and go with a stack of:
HMB
Creatine
Tribulus

Will also incorporate a quality protein powder into this. Also, rotate a different test booster in after,say,8 weeks. D-Aspartic Acid comes to mind.
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« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2013, 02:32:12 PM »

I'm considering dropping the Vanadyl Sulfate and go with a stack of:
HMB
Creatine
Tribulus

Will also incorporate a quality protein powder into this. Also, rotate a different test booster in after,say,8 weeks. D-Aspartic Acid comes to mind.

3 grams of D-Aspartic might raise your test levels (http://www.ergo-log.com/dasparticacidtestosterone.html), while tribulus won't do shit (http://www.ergo-log.com/tribnoeffect.html).
Just to save some bucks, I would suggest that you check your diet first by reading these suggestions, http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Diet.aspx
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« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2013, 02:39:43 PM »

I think you can build good size naturally if you start in your teens. But after 3 years that's all your getting. Plus you'll never hold as much muscle while dieting.
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« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2013, 03:08:41 PM »

I think you can build good size naturally if you start in your teens. But after 3 years that's all your getting. Plus you'll never hold as much muscle while dieting.

I beg to differ. When I finally broke 200 lbs, I'd been training for nearly 7 years.

I've often relayed my story of my college days, specificially spring semester 1996. I officially started serious training in 1989.

That semester, I went from 189 to 210. And, I simply wanted to hit 200. 21 lbs in three months, at least half of it lean mass. My mother and my friends shocked when I came home for the summer.

People are just afraid to eat....and I mean EEEEEAAAAAAAT to gain the mass they need.

And when I say "EAT", I don't mean just chewing and swallowing food. I mean ingesting calories, with both regular food and protein shakes.

I recall an article from Jeff Everson, which I used in my science project in high school about calories and nutrition. "If you're having trouble growing, despite stuffing yourself, then it's time you learned the real secret to gaining weight: Liquid Nutrition."

Your blender should be your good buddy. When I couldn't afford weight gain powder, I made my own shakes out of whole eggs and milk. When the cafeteria's breakfast food started to suck or I didn't have time to eat there, I made those shakes along with my weight gain powder, particularly for breakfast.

Get the size you need FIRST; worry about the cuts later. You don't have to turn yourself into a sumo wreslter. But, being ripped should be low on the totem pole, when size is priority.

Didn't Arnold once say, You can't sculpt a pebble; you sculpt a block of granite"?
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« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2013, 04:23:04 PM »

I think you can build good size naturally if you start in your teens. But after 3 years that's all your getting. Plus you'll never hold as much muscle while dieting.
I'm 42
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« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2013, 06:12:56 PM »

I'm 42

Don't sweat it. I'll be 40 in two months. You are nowhere NEAR past your potential.
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« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2013, 07:17:21 PM »

Don't sweat it. I'll be 40 in two months. You are nowhere NEAR past your potential.
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« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2013, 07:19:14 PM »

I'm 30. I wanna be bigger than your average guy that doesn't lift in his 20's. Prob about 200lbs. Someday I'll get there....

5'10 185lbs
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« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2013, 07:24:36 PM »

I remember reading a post where someone recommended the following substitutes:
Vanadyl Sulfate instead of slin
HMB instead of Decca
Creatine instead of HGH
Tribulus instead of test

The poster said with this stack you could acheve maybe 80% of what Dorian did.
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