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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #150 on: April 14, 2013, 08:10:45 PM »
Being black in America is an obstacle in anything except if you want to go to the NBA

Haha, that's not 100% accurate, but it's pretty close. The reason I used the actress example is because  when speaking honestly, there's no way to deny it's true.It's easy  to say "I'm white and I've had bad experiences at Best Buy. There's no white privilege," but there's really no way to honestly say that an actor has the deck stacked way more in his or her favor simply by being white as opposed to black, asian, spanish, etc.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #151 on: April 14, 2013, 08:11:43 PM »
FAIL

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Yeah, you live in the ghetto, so  you'd know better than anyone.  ::)

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #152 on: April 14, 2013, 08:12:33 PM »
Haha, that's not 100% accurate, but it's pretty close. The reason I used the actress example is because  when speaking honestly, there's no way to deny it's true.It's easy  to say "I'm white and I've had bad experiences at Best Buy. There's no white privilege," but there's really no way to honestly say that an actor has the deck stacked way more in his or her favor simply by being white as opposed to black, asian, spanish, etc.

Andre just needs to stop making excuses and actually be prepared for a real 8 hour workday.   Fuck if andre can do a 2 hour work day it would be a biblical miracle.  

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #153 on: April 14, 2013, 08:13:14 PM »
Yeah, you live in the ghetto, so  you'd know better than anyone.  ::)

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #154 on: April 14, 2013, 08:15:10 PM »
Andre just needs to stop making excuses and actually be prepared for a real 8 hour workday.   Fuck if andre can do a 2 hour work day it would be a biblical miracle.  

He should use your M.O., stretch a 2-hour work day into a 22-hour work day by spending 20 hours trolling Getbig, Free Republic, HuffPost and Business Insider.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #155 on: April 14, 2013, 08:19:35 PM »
Let me put it to you this  way:

Say, you have two neighbors. One a black female, one a white female. They both want to be actresses.
Let's imagine you would rate them both  about an 8 in terms of physical attractiveness and maybe about 7.5 in terms of talent. Attractive, but not breathtaking, skilled but not phenoms.  Now, acting is a tough profession with a really low success rate, so either of these girls would be exceedingly lucky to make it in the biz. If you are being completely and totally honest with yourself, do you honestly not see how the
white actress has a distinct advantage in possibly becoming a Hollywood success story? The variety of roles available to the black actress will be a lot smaller and the quality of those roles will be inferior. Yes,
the white actress will have to work hard, but the potential returns for her are greater.

This is a simplification, but that's the essence of white privilege. It's not that all white people will inevitably be successful. Or that white people who have success don't work hard. Or that there is no way for blacks to be successful. Or that whites never have setbacks.  It's just that by simply adding in that "white" factor, you gain a distinct advantage.

I used acting just because it was such an obvious example, but it's not hard to see how it pops up throughout other aspects of society.

BINGO!!! I can tell you from personal experience that there are at least 30 - 40 auditions available for white actresses, for every 1 audition available to a Black actress. That is a pure fact. The ratio may even be 50:1

There are other considerations as well... such as casting into the prejudices of the intended audience. Many times skilled & qualified Black actors are not cast because producers fear a backlash from an audience with preconceived notions. Casting a Black person as an authority figure is disturbing to a certain demographic, and producers, and sponsors fear this. As a result, many talented actors are not cast.

Three real life examples:

1) My friend was directing an MOW starring 2 actors who shall remain nameless but are household names There was an incidental wedding scene involving the sister of the female lead. my friend wanted to cast a Black actor as the groom. The studio went absolutely apeshit because it was to air in middle America. Final result, they couldn't recast the stars sister as Black because the star was not. They couldn't find a suitable white groom, ...so they simply cut the lines of the groom, and cast a white film extra instead.

2) I had auditioned for an industrial. They had storyboarded it to be a romantic thing. They selected the best actress, and the best actor. The problem was the best actress who auditioned was me. The best actor who auditioned was a white guy, and even though it was an industrial, ...the client (a government agency) refused to cast an interracial couple. Their solution... they kept us both, ...but re-wrote the script we were to use and removed the romantic angle. It was very successful, so successful infact, that rather than simply using it as the internal industrial teaching tool for their employees, ...they re-purposed it and sold it to the general public as well. This only happened because the producer stood her ground, and refused to get rid of me. She liked me because I reminded her of a woman who had been so nice to her when she was interning at her Mom's workplace during the summers when she was at college. During our 6 or 7th session in the studio... we both discovered why I reminded her so much of the nice lady who took her under her wing... turns out that nice lady was my sister. She had no idea who I was when she first cast me because my sister and I have different last names. We only found out when she accidentally called me by my sister's name. She looked mortified. I laughed and said don't worry about it, that's my sister's name and my Mom mixes it up all the time, sometimes calls her Judi, so I'm used to answering to _____. She apologized and said I reminded her so much of a woman named _____ who she knew when she was interning at _____. That's when we made the connection. I knew there couldn't possibly be two people named with the same first & last name who worked at that particular place.  Here's where the white priviledge comes in... if they can't go interacial... they will take a 2nd rate white person over going all Black.

3) Star Trek originally cast the role of the 2nd in command as a woman. The test audiences went apeshit saying "Who does that woman think she is ordering a man around like that" They recast the 2nd in command as an alien named Mr Spock. Audiences would have rather seen a space alien, and were more willing to view a space alien as having authority over them, than they were to accept the notion of a woman having authority over them.

Back in 2001 the CRTC here in Canada issued a directive to advertisers that all commercials MUST reflect a true representation of the demographics within the country. That's when we started seeing commercials with leads that reflected the various ethnicities present within this country.

Another true story... a couple of friends of mine both Black film makers, each had film at Cannes Film Festival in 1996. I think it was 1996... anyway, both films were critically acclaimed, but rather curious were the words of many of the other film makers, reporters & critics who covered Cannes that year... "We didn't even know that Canada had Blacks".  ::)   ::)  

You may say that was ages ago... things are different now... but I have to argue they really aren't all that different. Yeah... you have a Black President, but look at all the brainwashing Hollywood had to do with "24" to even get people in the frame of mind to even consider it.

And my final punctuation mark on the matter... how many of you recalled the initial reaction when it was first announced that Barack Obama was the candidate being put forth by the Democrats? How many people said "He couldn't possibly win because he was Black"... that attitude in itself whether it proved to be true or not ...right there is an example of white priviledge.
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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #156 on: April 14, 2013, 08:22:14 PM »
So artsy fartsy libs are racist?


BINGO!!! I can tell you from personal experience that there are at least 30 - 40 auditions available for white actresses, for every 1 audition available to a Black actress. That is a pure fact. The ratio may even be 50:1

There are other considerations as well... such as casting into the prejudices of the intended audience. Many times skilled & qualified Black actors are not cast because producers fear a backlash from an audience with preconceived notions. Casting a Black person as an authority figure is disturbing to a certain demographic, and producers, and sponsors fear this. As a result, many talented actors are not cast.

Three real life examples:

1) My friend was directing an MOW starring 2 actors who shall remain nameless but are household names There was an incidental wedding scene involving the sister of the female lead. my friend wanted to cast a Black actor as the groom. The studio went absolutely apeshit because it was to air in middle America. Final result, they couldn't recast the stars sister as Black because the star was not. They couldn't find a suitable white groom, ...so they simply cut the lines of the groom, and cast a white film extra instead.

2) I had auditioned for an industrial. They had storyboarded it to be a romantic thing. They selected the best actress, and the best actor. The problem was the best actress who auditioned was me. The best actor who auditioned was a white guy, and even though it was an industrial, ...the client (a government agency) refused to cast an interracial couple. Their solution... they kept us both, ...but re-wrote the script we were to use and removed the romantic angle. It was very successful, so successful infact, that rather than simply using it as the internal industrial teaching tool for their employees, ...they re-purposed it and sold it to the general public as well. This only happened because the producer stood her ground, and refused to get rid of me. She liked me because I reminded her of a woman who had been so nice to her when she was interning at her Mom's workplace during the summers when she was at college. During our 6 or 7th session in the studio... we both discovered why I reminded her so much of the nice lady who took her under her wing... turns out that nice lady was my sister. She had no idea who I was when she first cast me because my sister and I have different last names. We only found out when she accidentally called me by my sister's name. She looked mortified. I laughed and said don't worry about it, that's my sister's name and my Mom mixes it up all the time, sometimes calls her Judi, so I'm used to answering to _____. She apologized and said I reminded her so much of a woman named _____ who she knew when she was interning at _____. That's when we made the connection. I knew there couldn't possibly be two people named with the same first & last name who worked at that particular place.  Here's where the white priviledge comes in... if they can't go interacial... they will take a 2nd rate white person over going all Black.

3) Star Trek recast the role of the 2nd in command as a woman. The test audiences went apeshit saying "Who does that woman think she is ordering a man around like that" They recast the 2nd in command as an alien named Mr Spock. Audiences would have rather seen a space alien, and were more willing to view a space alien as having authority over them, than they were to accept the notion of a woman having authority over them.

Back in 2001 the CRTC here in Canada issued a directive to advertisers that all commercials MUST reflect a true representation of the demographics within the country. That's when we started seeing commercials with leads that reflected the various ethnicities present within this country.

Another true story... a couple of friends of mine both Black film makers, each had film at Cannes Film Festival in 1996. I think it was 1996... anyway, both films were critically acclaimed, but rather curious were the words of many of the other film makers, reporters & critics who covered Cannes that year... "We didn't even know that Canada had Blacks".  ::)   ::)  

You may say that was ages ago... things are different now... but I have to argue they really aren't all that different. Yeah... you have a Black President, but look at all the brainwashing Hollywood had to do with "24" to even get people in the frame of mind to even consider it.

And my final punctuation mark on the matter... how many of you recalled the initial reaction when it was first announced that Barack Obama was the candidate being put forth by the Democrats? How many people said "He couldn't possibly win because he was Black"... that attitude in itself whether it proved to be true or not ...right there is an example of white priviledge.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #157 on: April 14, 2013, 09:14:40 PM »
So artsy fartsy libs are racist?


I'm saying white skin privilege exists across the board and bleeds into every area of life.


If you take a portrait of a Black man, and lighten it so he appears white, ...and ask a group of 100 people which pilot they would feel safer with piloting their plane, ...or which surgeon they would feel safer with conducting their operation, ...or which guy they think committed the crime, ...you will understand the nature of white skin privilege.






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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #158 on: April 14, 2013, 09:24:05 PM »
BINGO!!! I can tell you from personal experience that there are at least 30 - 40 auditions available for white actresses, for every 1 audition available to a Black actress. That is a pure fact. The ratio may even be 50:1

There are other considerations as well... such as casting into the prejudices of the intended audience. Many times skilled & qualified Black actors are not cast because producers fear a backlash from an audience with preconceived notions. Casting a Black person as an authority figure is disturbing to a certain demographic, and producers, and sponsors fear this. As a result, many talented actors are not cast.

Three real life examples:

1) My friend was directing an MOW starring 2 actors who shall remain nameless but are household names There was an incidental wedding scene involving the sister of the female lead. my friend wanted to cast a Black actor as the groom. The studio went absolutely apeshit because it was to air in middle America. Final result, they couldn't recast the stars sister as Black because the star was not. They couldn't find a suitable white groom, ...so they simply cut the lines of the groom, and cast a white film extra instead.

2) I had auditioned for an industrial. They had storyboarded it to be a romantic thing. They selected the best actress, and the best actor. The problem was the best actress who auditioned was me. The best actor who auditioned was a white guy, and even though it was an industrial, ...the client (a government agency) refused to cast an interracial couple. Their solution... they kept us both, ...but re-wrote the script we were to use and removed the romantic angle. It was very successful, so successful infact, that rather than simply using it as the internal industrial teaching tool for their employees, ...they re-purposed it and sold it to the general public as well. This only happened because the producer stood her ground, and refused to get rid of me. She liked me because I reminded her of a woman who had been so nice to her when she was interning at her Mom's workplace during the summers when she was at college. During our 6 or 7th session in the studio... we both discovered why I reminded her so much of the nice lady who took her under her wing... turns out that nice lady was my sister. She had no idea who I was when she first cast me because my sister and I have different last names. We only found out when she accidentally called me by my sister's name. She looked mortified. I laughed and said don't worry about it, that's my sister's name and my Mom mixes it up all the time, sometimes calls her Judi, so I'm used to answering to _____. She apologized and said I reminded her so much of a woman named _____ who she knew when she was interning at _____. That's when we made the connection. I knew there couldn't possibly be two people named with the same first & last name who worked at that particular place.  Here's where the white priviledge comes in... if they can't go interacial... they will take a 2nd rate white person over going all Black.

3) Star Trek originally cast the role of the 2nd in command as a woman. The test audiences went apeshit saying "Who does that woman think she is ordering a man around like that" They recast the 2nd in command as an alien named Mr Spock. Audiences would have rather seen a space alien, and were more willing to view a space alien as having authority over them, than they were to accept the notion of a woman having authority over them.

Back in 2001 the CRTC here in Canada issued a directive to advertisers that all commercials MUST reflect a true representation of the demographics within the country. That's when we started seeing commercials with leads that reflected the various ethnicities present within this country.

Another true story... a couple of friends of mine both Black film makers, each had film at Cannes Film Festival in 1996. I think it was 1996... anyway, both films were critically acclaimed, but rather curious were the words of many of the other film makers, reporters & critics who covered Cannes that year... "We didn't even know that Canada had Blacks".  ::)   ::)  

You may say that was ages ago... things are different now... but I have to argue they really aren't all that different. Yeah... you have a Black President, but look at all the brainwashing Hollywood had to do with "24" to even get people in the frame of mind to even consider it.

And my final punctuation mark on the matter... how many of you recalled the initial reaction when it was first announced that Barack Obama was the candidate being put forth by the Democrats? How many people said "He couldn't possibly win because he was Black"... that attitude in itself whether it proved to be true or not ...right there is an example of white priviledge.

Sounds like an awfully long winded excuse for you being ugly and untalented.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #159 on: April 14, 2013, 09:25:39 PM »
Haha, that's not 100% accurate, but it's pretty close. The reason I used the actress example is because  when speaking honestly, there's no way to deny it's true.It's easy  to say "I'm white and I've had bad experiences at Best Buy. There's no white privilege," but there's really no way to honestly say that an actor has the deck stacked way more in his or her favor simply by being white as opposed to black, asian, spanish, etc.

Could it be that you were treated differently because you had half a rack of dvd's stuffed into your trenchcoat on a 90 degree day?


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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #160 on: April 14, 2013, 09:27:15 PM »
"It is an open ended question whether we will choose to use unearned advantage to weaken hidden systems of advantage and whether we will use any of our arbitrarily awarded power to reconstruct power systems on a broader base."
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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #161 on: April 14, 2013, 09:32:30 PM »
Sounds like an awfully long winded excuse for you being ugly and untalented.

Me being ugly & untalented is why the studio balked at casting a Black groom for a white actress?

Me being ugly & untalented is why a white woman was recast as an alien male?

Me being ugly & untalented was why I got the part and why the producer refused to recast my role?

Yeah right!  the lack of availability of roles was however part of why I chose to become an agent.
I may not have been able to work everyday, ...but I could put 20 - 30 actors to work every day and get 15% of their gross.  I preferred the leverage :D
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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #162 on: April 14, 2013, 09:34:13 PM »
FAIL

You to the welfare office you get top billin 

I guess thats why there are more whites on welfare in sheer numbers than blacks huh>?

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #163 on: April 14, 2013, 09:36:26 PM »
Andre just needs to stop making excuses and actually be prepared for a real 8 hour workday.   Fuck if andre can do a 2 hour work day it would be a biblical miracle.  

no excuses being made at all....thats the problem...guys like you consider talking about the reality of discrimination as "making excuses"

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #164 on: April 14, 2013, 09:37:40 PM »
Me being ugly & untalented is why the studio balked at casting a Black groom for a white actress?

Me being ugly & untalented is why a white woman was recast as an alien male?

Me being ugly & untalented was why I got the part and why the producer refused to recast my role?

Yeah right!  the lack of availability of roles was however part of why I chose to become an agent.
I may not have been able to work everyday, ...but I could put 20 - 30 actors to work every day and get 15% of their gross.  I preferred the leverage :D

Well, at least you have the courage to admit these things. That's the first step in making meaningful progress toward coming to grips with reality.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #165 on: April 14, 2013, 11:30:20 PM »
Well, at least you have the courage to admit these things. That's the first step in making meaningful progress toward coming to grips with reality.

Too bad the same could not be said of you. Despite you starting this thread, ...you still appear to be unwilling to even acknowledge it's existence, ...not only ignoring it, ...but flat out denying it.

In a few years... how many... I don't know... you will be saying "I never knew how good I had it til it was gone"
To which others will reply... "Bullshit! You knew... you just never thought you'd lose it!"
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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #166 on: April 15, 2013, 12:10:41 AM »
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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #167 on: April 15, 2013, 12:55:02 AM »


On the political right in America, honest is treasonous.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #168 on: April 15, 2013, 05:38:14 AM »
On the political right in America, honest is treasonous.


so true...good point...I often wonder what dreamworld they are living in

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #169 on: April 15, 2013, 05:40:20 AM »
Me being ugly & untalented is why the studio balked at casting a Black groom for a white actress?

Me being ugly & untalented is why a white woman was recast as an alien male?

Me being ugly & untalented was why I got the part and why the producer refused to recast my role?

Yeah right!  the lack of availability of roles was however part of why I chose to become an agent.
I may not have been able to work everyday, ...but I could put 20 - 30 actors to work every day and get 15% of their gross.  I preferred the leverage :D

you realize you are arguing with McWay's gimmick, right?

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #170 on: April 15, 2013, 05:44:38 AM »
On the political right in America, honest is treasonous.

When has the left ever been honest, nitwit?

The stupid left has been delusional, but never honest.

There is no one more racist than a liberal moron. NO ONE.


Dr. Ben Carson: White liberals ‘the most racist’

The conservative rising star Dr. Ben Carson said on a Tuesday talk show that critics won’t shut him up and that among the most vicious of his attackers were white liberals.

He made the comments on Mark Levin’s radio show during a discussion of his opposition to same-sex marriage.

“They need to shut me up, they need to get rid of me,” Dr. Carson said, as reported in Newsmax. “They can’t find anything else to delegitimize me so they take my words, misinterpret them and try to make it seem that I’m a bigot.”

Mr. Levin asked: And what about white liberals — how do they treat you?

“They’re the most racist people there are because they put you in a little category, a box,” Dr. Carson said. “How could you dare come off the plantation?”



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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #171 on: April 15, 2013, 06:45:34 AM »
you realize you are arguing with McWay's gimmick, right?

24KT is MY gimmmick? Ummmmm....NO!!

I posted under one name and one name only, on this forum....the same one I've had here for nearly ten years.

On the political right in America, honest is treasonous.

Hardly!! That would fall on the political left, which includes a healthy dose of political correctness, as in using euphemisms to sugarcoat the truth.

For example, why is it that the left is only interested in gun control when white people shoot folks.

Black-on-black crime is at epidemic proportions in cities like Chicago. Yet, the lefty activists, especially the black ones, are all but MUTE!! WHY?

Because libs can't push their agenda with negroes killing negroes.

Or, there's the left's ultimate treehugger, Al Gore. He yaps about how EEEEEEVVVIIILLLL big oil is....until he needs someone on whom to unload his failing TV network. Did I also mention he's one of those, advocating higher taxes for the rich but tried to unload Current TV to Al Jazeera BEFORE Obama's tax hikes hit?

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #172 on: April 15, 2013, 06:50:11 AM »
24KT is MY gimmmick? Ummmmm....NO!!

I posted under one name and one name only, on this forum....the same one I've had here for nearly ten years.

He's saying that Mr Whorewell is your gimmick. The consistently and significantly different grammars and patterns of thought utilized by you and Mr Whorewell render this claim absurd, of course, but it's what he's asserting all the same.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #173 on: April 15, 2013, 07:15:22 AM »
He's saying that Mr Whorewell is your gimmick. The consistently and significantly different grammars and patterns of thought utilized by you and Mr Whorewell render this claim absurd, of course, but it's what he's asserting all the same.

In that case, it's STRIKE TWO for Andre.

Claiming that somebody is using another person's screename on GetBig is as common as insulting someone here by calling him gay.

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Re: Have you been ignoring your white Privilege today?
« Reply #174 on: April 15, 2013, 07:40:11 AM »
In that case, it's STRIKE TWO for Andre.

Claiming that somebody is using another person's screename on GetBig is as common as insulting someone here by calling him gay.

Andreisatwink always has an excuse for his failures in life.