is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?

[ukjeff]

Bullshit, If you add 100lbs to your squat your leg muscles will have gotten bigger end of discussion.

Nope, one does not follow the other, if it did then you could keep growing bigger indefinitely.

Your muscles have no idea what weight you are lifting, they just know how intensely they are working.

[Submissionfytr]

I remember Mike Mentzer making a good point about this, he said drop down and do a couple sets of 50 push ups and you'll have a terrific pump in your chest, shoulders and even tris a bit, but you think you would ever maximize muscle development with 2 sets of push ups?!?

[NordicNerd]

what causes a muscle to grow from training

why are we here

Climbers often talk about getting "pumped" in the forearms. Most of them have a quite slender build.

NN

[ukjeff]

I remember Mike Mentzer making a good point about this, he said drop down and do a couple sets of 50 push ups and you'll have a terrific pump in your chest, shoulders and even tris a bit, but you think you would ever maximize muscle development with 2 sets of push ups?!?

Yes, and he was telling that to a room of juiced up bodybuilders.
Anyone clean and just starting training don't get "terrific pumps" through push ups, its because they dont have much muscle to start with.

[Marty Champions]

I remember Mike Mentzer making a good point about this, he said drop down and do a couple sets of 50 push ups and you'll have a terrific pump in your chest, shoulders and even tris a bit, but you think you would ever maximize muscle development with 2 sets of push ups?!?

lol like i have the stamina to just drop down and do 50 pushups

mike mentzer was a roided clown he could do 50 no problem cause of roids

[dj181]

mike mentzer was a roided clown

lol

[ukjeff]

mike mentzer was a roided clown he could do 50 no problem cause of roids

I bet he couldnt, he would blow up like a balloon and gas out.

[The True Adonis]

Why not just do all of it?

Train with Heavy Weights, Train with lighter weights and less rest and train to failure.

[Marty Champions]

Why not just do all of it?

Train with Heavy Weights, Train with lighter weights and less rest and train to failure.

i agree

you can probably slightly tune your muscles for more speed or for more power

 so train all aspects , the "hypertrophic" look comes from having that gym pump

you always look like shit in the morning unless your super cut up.. most people are probably at there limits anyways, its rather sad because we dont want to accept that. but doesnt mean we should off ourselves or take steroids for fake gaynes

[prizm]

i think we are on to something here........


i remember a thread online about a delusional natural with broken dreams


he had squatted hardcore, had already big legs; but then  he managed to add 100lbs to his squat over a year or something like that

and his legs looked exactly the same

he was puzzled

"progressive resistance they said....squat heavier and grow bigger they said...why am i still the same"

the whole thing was weird and interesting

if that guy did singles to get there i believe it

if he went from squatting 315x10 to 415x10 and he says his legs looked the same hes full of shit

[The True Adonis]

yeah,that covers all,then one can figure out for themselves which one is best for him.

lol at mentzer

lol at pushups and climber comparo.

jesus wept

You seem to have the all or nothing mentality.  How hard is it at the end of your Heavy Day to do 10 sets of light pumping weight to failure on the exercises you previously did the Heavy weight with?  

[The True Adonis]

if that guy did singles to get there i believe it

if he went from squatting 315x10 to 415x10 and he says his legs looked the same hes full of shit

No he isn`t.  There are too many variables.  He could have gained more stability in his back, improved his form, strengthened tendons which may not be visible at all on his legs.

[ukjeff]

if he went from squatting 315x10 to 415x10 and he says his legs looked the same hes full of shit

Not really, I have seen guys get stronger without getting bigger, its down to tendon and fibre strength, bodybuilding has nothing to do with being strong, you can be a bodybuilder lifting small weights.

[ukjeff]

galeniko, why are you here instead of out banging broads?
Is it your time of the month?   

[prizm]

No he isn`t.  There are too many variables.  He could have gained more stability in his back, improved his form, strengthened tendons which may not be visible at all on his legs.

strength =/= mass but at some point greater tension (in this case an extreme jump in tension) is going to illicit growth in the legs

tendon strength/form/back stability isnt going to give you a 100lb jump in a 10RM while avoiding any muscle gain in the legs

[The True Adonis]

strength =/= mass but at some point greater tension (in this case an extreme jump in tension) is going to illicit growth in the legs

tendon strength/form/back stability isnt going to give you a 100lb jump in a 10RM while avoiding any muscle gain in the legs

No it doesn`t.  There are Pro Bodybuilders (juiced and lifetime natural) who can`t do what this kid is doing here- Front squat with 405 and 415, but have much better legs.

[prizm]

again, i said for reps which is why i used 10 rep maxes as my example

i believe it when it comes to singles

a guy that goes from a 400 squat to a 500 squat by doing the majority of his work in the 1-3 rep range will look vastly different than the guy that got there by lifting in the 10-15 rep range

lifting bigger weights for reps over time = bigger you, which is why any pro worth a shit has done so or had the capacity to do so at one point.

[ukjeff]

No it doesn`t.  There are Pro Bodybuilders (juiced and lifetime natural) who can`t do what this kid is doing here- Front squat with 405 and 415, but have much better legs.

Strong hamstrings as well, he did it again hanging from the ceiling.  

[The True Adonis]

Here is another, granted he could be going down a bit further, but here stick legs is doing 405 for 20.

[The True Adonis]

Here is stick arms doing a power clean with 315 for 6.  I can`t do that.  Galeniko can`t do that.  Everyone on this thread who posted can`t do that, but there are plenty of people on this thread with better arms and upper body then stick man.

[The True Adonis]

nono,adam, you misunderstood me, i do train in all variations,within a workout.some heavy some light,some medium.

i agreed with you,lol.

the second part of the post wasnt directed at you

Ahh I see, sorry about that my friend.

[The True Adonis]

hell,if i tried that,my body and skeleton would break in some many places unknown even to the best doctors

Yet you carry way more muscle than this kid in all areas.  Interesting how that works, isn`t it.  A lot of these morons want everyone to believe that because X amount of weight is lifted, then you will be Y size.

Not the case at all.  My bench press is not great at all, but I have a better chest than a lot of people doing 100 lbs more than I do.

[ukjeff]

Check out the guy at 57 seconds

[The True Adonis]

405 for 26 here.  Why doesn`t he have Platz legs?      

[prizm]

Here is another, granted he could be going down a bit further, but here stick legs is doing 405 for 20.

[youtube]AkvqoOHc7BQ/youtube]

and how often does he do 20RM's?

The guy is 6'5 252 and runs a 4.57 40 according to his profile. I'm guessing the majority of his work is done in the low rep ranges for power since hes a tight end in college.

like i said before, the guy that boosts his squat doing the majority of his work in power ranges will look a lot different than the bodybuilder that got to the same strength level by doing sets of 10,12,15 etc

increasing tension for reps over time = a bigger you