is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?

[anabolichalo]

i googled "starting strength" again for pics


lol

[anabolichalo]

[anabolichalo]

[cephissus]

gal, are you saying this guy was born with crazy arms?

i've always wondered why i always seem to see guys, even naturals, with crazy legs, but never chest, arms, back etc.  i don't think i've ever seen even close to the seemingly natural variation in legs (thighs and calves) in any other muscle group.

[anabolichalo]

not impressed

[anabolichalo]

They cyclist legs are more impressive considering 10 times less anabolics were used to build them. Also Ronnie Coleman trained heavy as fuck in his videos.

do you actually believe this bullshit?

that would mean he is 10 times more responsive to anabolic than ronnie coleman, the freakiest bb of all time 

[oldtimer1]

you mean very false, right?

No, true. Most bodybuilders in their early years trained for strength. Arnold and Franco power lifted. Sergio Oliva was an Olympic weight lifter. Mentzer was squatting 500 pounds at 16 years old. Zane power lifted in his youth. Chris Dickerson competed in the AAU Mr. America contest in his early years where you had to Olympic lift to get your athletic points. Samir the lion of Lebanon was an Olympic lifter. I could go on.

[oldtimer1]

Those bike sprint racers have incredible legs. I wonder how many reps of spinning the pedals they put in during a training session?

[anabolichalo]

Do you really think that a pro cyclist who is randomly drug tested year round would be taking bodybuilder drug stacks and dosages. That would be career suicide. They are a bit smarter than that.

pro cycling is the cleanest sport of sports

[cephissus]

here's a theory i've wondered about:

suppose if you lift weights "hard enough" an "all or nothing" hypertrophy-inducing signal gets sent to your muscles.  how effective this signal is depends on genetics and hormone levels, but not how hard you lifted (hence, "all or nothing") beyond the "hard enough" threshold, of course.

whether high reps/low weight or low reps/high weight both could get the signal going.  bodybuilders ended up adopting high reps/low weight because they could trigger the signal this way without hurting their joints as much.  smart bodybuilders (lee haney, vince taylor) realized they could trigger the signal even without lifting that much weight at all, and ignored all the theories of "no pain, no gain" etc.  they discovered certain muscle sensations that indicated the signal was sent, and sought those ("listening to the body") instead of "going to failure" or "shredding the fibers" -- alternate theories which led to injury anyway, and were simply excessive.

[cephissus]

From wikipedia

"Myofibrillar vs. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy

In the bodybuilding and fitness community and even in some academic books skeletal muscle hypertrophy is described as being in one of two types: Sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar. According to this theory, during sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, the volume of sarcoplasmic fluid in the muscle cell increases with no accompanying increase in muscular strength, whereas during myofibrillar hypertrophy, actin and myosin contractile proteins increase in number and add to muscular strength as well as a small increase in the size of the muscle. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is characteristic of the muscles of certain bodybuilders while myofibrillar hypertrophy is characteristic of Olympic weightlifters.[15] These two forms of adaptations rarely occur completely independently of one another; one can experience a large increase in fluid with a slight increase in proteins, a large increase in proteins with a small increase in fluid, or a relatively balanced combination of the two."


This is impying that for optimal hypertrophy one should use a combination of low reps higher weight and high reps lower weight.

people conclude that "sarcoplasmic hypertrophy" = high reps, low weight while "myofibrillar hypertrophy" = low reps, high weight, while i somehow doubt that's the case.  i looked up the source for citation 15, "science and practice of strength training" which seems to imply this, and funny enough it's a book i always wanted to read, and had on my amazon wish list.  i really wonder how they came to this conclusion... maybe they sliced open munzer and noticed a lot of liquid pouring out?

[anabolichalo]

i think training as hard as possible is more beneficial for powerlifting than bb

[dj181]

i think training as hard as possible is more beneficial for powerlifting than bb

you've definitely put on size recently, so... have your training loads increased?

[anabolichalo]

you've definitely put on size recently, so... have your training loads increased?

i dont really know

decline bench press definitely went up

military press as well

squats is still not close to my natural best

but i didnt squat for months and months

and when natural i lived and breathed "the magical exercise"

also quit deadlifting


all in all i'm doing a lot more volume

not really concerned with the weight too much, just take a weight i strugle with for good volume sets with proper form


definitely not adding microweights etc like i used to in the past


 

[dj181]

so have you put most of your new size on your upper body then?

[anabolichalo]

so have you put most of your new size on your upper body then?

i guess but i did gain 1cm on my calves

[gracie bjj]

i used to train calves like 3 or 4 days a week n got nothing out of it, then i switched to the regular routine of just hitting them once every 5th day and went fairly heavy n they started growing. i remember when i was younger these guys at the gym told me to train calves everyday

[dj181]

i used to train calves like 3 or 4 days a week n got nothing out of it, then i switched to the regular routine of just hitting them once every 5th day and went fairly heavy n they started growing. i remember when i was younger these guys at the gym told me to train calves everyday

that's interesting as there does seem to be an optimal frequency for training each bodypart

i think that training each bodypart just once a week is under-training and that twice a week or more precisely once every 4 or 5 days is optimum

lyle mcdonald says to hit each muscle once every 3-5 days and AJ said not less then once every 4 days in his earlier writings

[anabolichalo]

remember my legacy

[Thespritz0]

why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?

each set to failure

so taking less weight every set or every few sets

?

^^
I TRIED that for three months- NEVER again without a proper Steroid cycle!!
Holy crap I was in PAIN every day- could barely put on my seat-belt in my car because my Triceps were just throbbing!!
Just forget it without PED's and LOTS of Protein + extra Glutamine, lots of Calcium/Magnesium and digestive enzymes...

[dj181]

^^
I TRIED that for three months- NEVER again without a proper Steroid cycle!!
Holy crap I was in PAIN every day- could barely put on my seat-belt in my car because my Triceps were just throbbing!!
Just forget it without PED's and LOTS of Protein + extra Glutamine, lots of Calcium/Magnesium and digestive enzymes...

you did 5 sets til failure for each exercise that you trained

[cephissus]

^^
I TRIED that for three months- NEVER again without a proper Steroid cycle!!
Holy crap I was in PAIN every day- could barely put on my seat-belt in my car because my Triceps were just throbbing!!
Just forget it without PED's and LOTS of Protein + extra Glutamine, lots of Calcium/Magnesium and digestive enzymes...

there must be something wrong with me... everytime i read stories like this they seem utterly absurd, but they are SO common!  there was never a point in my life where i could ever get this kind of soreness, no matter what i did.  maybe there is some exaggeration

[no one]

all you retards in here whining about what 'optimal training frequency' is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.

in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?

but there arent. you dont see guys like that everywhere. look in the mirror, as close as your going to get to looking like lee labrada or bob paris is... NEVER. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.

it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking 'optimal training frequencies' haha oh brother will never help you if you don t have genetcis. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.

if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.

sorry about your luck.

carry on.

[Mr Nobody]

all you retards in here whining about what training system is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.

in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?

no. they arent. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.

it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking training theory will never help you if you don t have it. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.

if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.

carry on.

Exactly.

[OTHstrong]

all you retards in here whining about what 'optimal training frequency' is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.

in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?

but there arent. you dont see guys like that everywhere. look in the mirror, as close as your going to get to looking like lee labrada or bob paris is... NEVER. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.

it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking 'optimal training frequencies' haha oh brother will never help you if you don t have genetcis. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.

if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.

sorry about your luck.

carry on.

Excellent post, this is gold^^^

Welcome back no one, where have you been?