is getting a pump really related to stimulating hypertrophy?

[arce1988]

[no one]

Excellent post, this is gold^^^

Welcome back no one, where have you been? 

hey dude!

honestly i went offline totally for about 6 months or so. didnt even creep here. but GB will always be home- no matter how far you go you always come back.

[OTHstrong]

hey dude!

honestly i went offline totally for about 6 months or so. didnt even creep here. but GB will always be home- no matter how far you go you always come back.

Ya I know what you mean, sometimes you need the layoff, good to have you back bro.

[no one]

Ya I know what you mean, sometimes you need the layoff, good to have you back bro.

cheers.

[wild willie]

getting a pump is extremely important if hypertrophy is your main objective!!

you must train with moderate weights and focus on the mind to muscle connection!!



forget the powerlifting.......focus on feeling the muscle work and contract.......don't listen to negativity either......keep things positive.



eat, sleep and then you will grow.......keep things simple and don't over think things.

[Donny]

getting a pump is extremely important if hypertrophy is your main objective!!

you must train with moderate weights and focus on the mind to muscle connection!!



forget the powerlifting.......focus on feeling the muscle work and contract.......don't listen to negativity either......keep things positive.



eat, sleep and then you will grow.......keep things simple and don't over think things.

yes..i agree. I have always thought this George. If just using heavy weights was all that was needed..we would all be big. Moderate is better for me too. I do not train with huge weights. Agree with the pump...gorge the muscles with blood...you can feel and see the pump so it is not a myth...

[Donny]

yesterday evening i did some chest and back at home. Parallel bar dips and undergrip sternum chins(supersets) Barbell rows with push ups using push up bars.... the last exercises were DB shrugs and flys(flat) the last 2 were not supersetted... my shoulders are solid today because of the dips.. i really got such a pump. my arms back and chest...shoulders ..the whole upper body. I always liked this split...
chest+back
legs
shoulders+arms

i find at the moment i have not much time to train every Day. I think until the mad rush to train for summer beach bodies is over then i will stick to this.  After a full Day training people i just want to go home and get peace. If i try to train at work, i´m always being asked things..I do not mind but i need to train too!!

[Marine]

HIT training is garbage.  Do that as a Natural and you will get ZERO progress.

epic truth

marine approved

mentzer LOOked thicked as fuck but was a retard trying t osound logical

hit = the worst for natties

[Psychopath]

all you retards in here whining about what 'optimal training frequency' is the best, what rep range to use and all the other shit listen closely and learn something.

in the past 40 years since the golden era of bbing, with all the advances in nutrition, drugs/ dosing, and training methodology gyms should be FULL of guys that look like arnold, serge nubret, franco, dave draper etc etc right?

but there arent. you dont see guys like that everywhere. look in the mirror, as close as your going to get to looking like lee labrada or bob paris is... NEVER. in fact theres even more pencil necks roaming around gym floors (and in this thread) than ever before.

it comes down to GENETICS- response to drugs, response to stimulus, your bodies ability to utilise macronutrients. all the fucking 'optimal training frequencies' haha oh brother will never help you if you don t have genetcis. so keep looking for the magic key kids cause there isnt one.

if your a pencil neck now, thats all your ever going to be.

sorry about your luck.

carry on.

If you had to design a year long steroid regiment, how would it look like?

[Marine]

that's interesting as there does seem to be an optimal frequency for training each bodypart

i think that training each bodypart just once a week is under-training and that twice a week or more precisely once every 4 or 5 days is optimum

lyle mcdonald says to hit each muscle once every 3-5 days and AJ said not less then once every 4 days in his earlier writings

yeah because lyle mc donald knows it all

[The True Adonis]

there must be something wrong with me... everytime i read stories like this they seem utterly absurd, but they are SO common!  there was never a point in my life where i could ever get this kind of soreness, no matter what i did.  maybe there is some exaggeration

Same here.  I can get sore but not to the level where I am incapable of doing anything.

[The True Adonis]

I think I get the most out of Heavy Weight Drop Sets.  Start with a Very Heavy Weight and just do drop sets from it, dropping it like 4-6 times and then repeating it for 4-6 rotations.

[no one]

If you had to design a year long steroid regiment, how would it look like?

depends on a lot of factors. my goals and your goals might be different- my goals have changed. i want a more athletic look now. i looked like a typical bber last year. this year i want to still hold some good respectable size without looking to ogre-ish. so my compounds of choice have changed and so have my dosages- quite dramatically. you might want that look, so you'll run much heavier doses and the compounds that will help you achieve a certain look.

i'll just tell you what i used to do. first i'd say gh all year long is a must. 4iu ed is all i think anyone really needs to build a really good physique. it'll lean you out nicely and fill you out nicely. i used to use the same 4-5 compounds all year long and just moderate the dose or go off them entirely or cycle them in with eachother. sustanon/prop/tren/anavar/npp as those worked best for me. i really liked npp but found it was really hard on my hairline. so id run tren ace all spring summer late fall and replace it with npp towards the end of the year. same with prop- run that and replace it with a longer ester in the fall. var all summer and stop it in the fall. as for the dosages i was always playing with them to find a sweet spot. but i'll tell you i dont think you'll be disappointed with 700mg prop, 700mg tren ace/wk 40mg var ed and 4iu oh gh a day. dont try this if you dont have a lot of history with this stuff. a good lighter one would go 300mg prop, 300mg tren ace/wk w the 40mg var ed and the gh- i'd have no problem recommending the guy who trains hard and has only done a handful of runs this cycle. your only at 600mg a week injectable and 40mg a day oral and var is pretty forgiving. id play around with eq, mastron and winny but those other compounds i listed i really liked so i'l stick with them for the most part.

so thats it. for me it was finding what compounds my body reacts best to, and using them to get the look i wanted depending on the time of year.

cheers.

[njflex]

depends on a lot of factors. my goals and your goals might be different- my goals have changed. i want a more athletic look now. i looked like a typical bber last year. this year i want to still hold some good respectable size without looking to ogre-ish. so my compounds of choice have changed and so have my dosages- quite dramatically. you might want that look, so you'll run much heavier doses and the compounds that will help you achieve a certain look.

i'll just tell you what i used to do. first i'd say gh all year long is a must. 4iu ed is all i think anyone really needs to build a really good physique. it'll lean you out nicely and fill you out nicely. i used to use the same 4-5 compounds all year long and just moderate the dose or go off them entirely or cycle them in with eachother. sustanon/prop/tren/anavar/npp as those worked best for me. i really liked npp but found it was really hard on my hairline. so id run tren ace all spring summer late fall and replace it with npp towards the end of the year. same with prop- run that and replace it with a longer ester in the fall. var all summer and stop it in the fall. as for the dosages i was always playing with them to find a sweet spot. but i'll tell you i dont think you'll be disappointed with 700mg prop, 700mg tren ace/wk 40mg var ed and 4iu oh gh a day. dont try this if you dont have a lot of history with this stuff. a good lighter one would go 300mg prop, 300mg tren ace/wk w the 40mg var ed and the gh- i'd have no problem recommending the guy who trains hard and has only done a handful of runs this cycle. your only at 600mg a week injectable and 40mg a day oral and var is pretty forgiving. id play around with eq, mastron and winny but those other compounds i listed i really liked so i'l stick with them for the most part.

so thats it. for me it was finding what compounds my body reacts best to, and using them to get the look i wanted depending on the time of year.

cheers.

your build certainly shows this....works ..

[Psychopath]

depends on a lot of factors. my goals and your goals might be different- my goals have changed. i want a more athletic look now. i looked like a typical bber last year. this year i want to still hold some good respectable size without looking to ogre-ish. so my compounds of choice have changed and so have my dosages- quite dramatically. you might want that look, so you'll run much heavier doses and the compounds that will help you achieve a certain look.

i'll just tell you what i used to do. first i'd say gh all year long is a must. 4iu ed is all i think anyone really needs to build a really good physique. it'll lean you out nicely and fill you out nicely. i used to use the same 4-5 compounds all year long and just moderate the dose or go off them entirely or cycle them in with eachother. sustanon/prop/tren/anavar/npp as those worked best for me. i really liked npp but found it was really hard on my hairline. so id run tren ace all spring summer late fall and replace it with npp towards the end of the year. same with prop- run that and replace it with a longer ester in the fall. var all summer and stop it in the fall. as for the dosages i was always playing with them to find a sweet spot. but i'll tell you i dont think you'll be disappointed with 700mg prop, 700mg tren ace/wk 40mg var ed and 4iu oh gh a day. dont try this if you dont have a lot of history with this stuff. a good lighter one would go 300mg prop, 300mg tren ace/wk w the 40mg var ed and the gh- i'd have no problem recommending the guy who trains hard and has only done a handful of runs this cycle. your only at 600mg a week injectable and 40mg a day oral and var is pretty forgiving. id play around with eq, mastron and winny but those other compounds i listed i really liked so i'l stick with them for the most part.

so thats it. for me it was finding what compounds my body reacts best to, and using them to get the look i wanted depending on the time of year.

cheers.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, my goal is similar to yours.

Good to know even at your heaviest you weren't taking too much drugs.

[Thespritz0]

you did 5 sets til failure for each exercise that you trained

^^
5 sets, DIFFERENT exercises though:  For example, Chest would go Flyes, Dumb-bell Bench Press, Hammer Strength Incline, Hammer Strength Decline, Gironda Dips (weighted).

[funk51]

i always instinctively believed what you said

but bodybuilding trainers and bdybuilders claim other wise

doctors at first said steroids  and etc didn't work and were totally ineffective for building muscle or increasing athletic performance.  a lot of people diasagree with that now.

[Rmj11]

good post.  i remember when i was younger, i would never look at anything that had to do with steroids.  i hated even reading about bodybuilding, because i didn't want to spend a lot of time on it outside of the gym.  i thought it should be simple, not an end in itself, but an activity you did so that you could feel good when you were doing your daily work (or play).

as a result i mostly read a few things here and there, the most superficial "wisdom" (), the most prevalent bullshit: train hard! train to failure! eat lots! etc. etc.

when, years later, i finally looked at how pros train, or really any successful "bodybuilder" of any level trains, i noticed they weren't working very hard.  rarely did i ever see someone struggling to complete reps.  it was all smooth sailing, from the first rep to the last (at least compared to what i put myself through).  the determination i had was almost frightening!  i would dread going to the gym, knowing what i was in for.  well, the joke was on me... "training to failure", "giving it all you've got", "give the muscle no choice but to grow", LOL.  if i were to translate these mantras into my own terms based on what i actually observed, once i finally watched some bodybuildin videos, i'd change it to "train until you get a little tired", "push yourself, but not too much", "get a bit of a pump, then go home... don't overdo it!"

This is often overlooked by many. I was exactly the same once. Did every set to failure along with drop sets or rest pause at times. Why? Because all the bodybuilding literature I indulged in would say so.

"Go hard or go home! Take every set to failure! Anything less than 100% and you won't grow! Blah blah blah!"

Utterly ridiculous.

Most pro's do not take every set to failure. Maybe the last set of an exercise at times but certainly not every set. Sure, some train heavy but they certainly don't go to the max on a set. Former pro's like Kevin Levrone trained heavy but he avoided going to failure most of the time. Watch his vids.

Here are a few clips of Arnold Schwarzenegger training. Notice how he does his sets. No grinding. No pushing to failure. Just strong reps with a slight pause on the last rep or two but certainly not grinding his way to failure. Probably explains how he trained so frequently as he wasn't stressing the cns by not going to failure which allows for far better and quicker recovery.

Going to failure just causes a person to burnout, plateau and can lead to injury. Arthur Jones and mentzer were the worst thing to happen to bodybuilding with their "going to failure" nonsense as I know it's done more harm than good.

[joswift]

10 year old thread bump

[Rmj11]

why not 5 sets of 8-12 to failure?

each set to failure

so taking less weight every set or every few sets

?

That would lead to burnout very quick. A better way would be do the first set with a top weight to NEAR failure then drop the weight by 10 to 20% and do back off sets not to failure.

Warm up sets then
100 pounds x 1 set 8 to 12 reps near failure
Drop weight
80 pounds x 3 to 4 sets not to failure.

Much better.

[Rmj11]

HIT training is garbage.  Do that as a Natural and you will get ZERO progress.

Very true. Hit has been around since 1971, it has a very poor success rate. No top champion has ever used it and no, Yates and mentzer don't count. They did conventional methods to build up first.

[joswift]

hey rimjob, these people are long gone...