hey true adonis, have you watched dr lustigs lecture?

[Disgusted]

You don`t need eyeglasses to stay alive either, but who wants to go around with sub-par vision if it can be avoided?

Bad analogy. Very bad.

[The True Adonis]

And what makes you think you're the "rule"? If what you say is true then you're more likely the "exception".


Don't you ever doubt people's natural status? Especially when it comes to bodybuilding, so many bullshitters out there, some even lie just for the attention. Since you brag about your intelligence every 5th post, I find hard to believe you would be so naive. I'm not talking about that guy in particular but in general, you never doubt their natty status.

I`ve called out "Natural" Mr. Olympia, John Hansen many times.

[The True Adonis]

Bad analogy. Very bad.

I can`t take care of my land on low carbs and then lift weights.  Its not doable. Plus I wouldn`t be able to make the food that I want to. Its not optimal for me at all.

[Disgusted]

Yep.  Especially if you are quite busy physically with other things outside of the gym.  Not only that, they are optimal if you want to make yourself a great meal and optimal if you are going to bake a cake.

They also help preserve your strength, and are protein/muscle sparing.

Cake yes. Lol the old carbs spare muscle saying. So how many grams of carbs do you need to consume to spare one gram of protein?  

[BIG ACH]

I`ve called out "Natural" Mr. Olympia, John Hansen many times.

Hasn't he admited to using Juice back in the day  

[el numero uno]

I`ve called out "Natural" Mr. Olympia, John Hansen many times.

Good, what about my other post? what makes you think your dieting approach is the best to everyone out there? I also know guys who stay lean eating plenty of carbs but I can count them with one hand, most people I know won't get ripped with the approach you suggest.

[Disgusted]

I can`t take care of my land on low carbs and then lift weights.  Its not doable. Plus I wouldn`t be able to make the food that I want to. Its not optimal for me at all.

Sure you could with the right amount of calories and fats. A friend of mine builds homes and he eats very low carbs and lifts too. He does replenish his glycogen stores after a workout. Keep in mind he's lean and doesn't compete.

[The True Adonis]

Good, what about my other post? what makes you think your dieting approach is the best to everyone out there? I also know guys who stay lean eating plenty of carbs but I can count them with one hand, most people I know won't get ripped with the approach you suggest.

Nonsense.  I think my approach is best for those who love food and want to get lean and remain that way.  You can get as ripped as you want.  If you want to make Moravian Sugar Cake, you are going to have to make it with Sugar.  There is no way around it. With my way, its possible.

If someone likes to diet a different way, then so be it.  He may or may not have a way to eat Moravian Sugar Cake, but me personally, I love having that option.

[The True Adonis]

Sure you could with the right amount of calories and fats. A friend of mine builds homes and he eats very low carbs and lifts too. He does replenish his glycogen stores after a workout. Keep in mind he's lean and doesn't compete.

I wouldn`t be able to make the foods that I like though which is very important to me.

[The True Adonis]

My Macros are all over the map each day, but the calories are the same.

Yesterday I had over 10 ounces cooked (probably around 16 oz or a lb Raw) Grilled Chicken Breasts In a Chipotle-Lime Sauce on the Charcoal Grill for one meal and a bunch of other things including a good deal of Chocolate and American Potato Salad and other things.


I had a lot of Protein and it was good. 

[BIG ACH]

My Macros are all over the map each day, but the calories are the same.

Yesterday I had over 10 ounces cooked (probably around 16 oz or a lb Raw) Grilled Chicken Breasts In a Chipotle-Lime Sauce on the Charcoal Grill for one meal and a bunch of other things including a good deal of Chocolate and American Potato Salad and other things.


I had a lot of Protein and it was good. 

How many calories?

[The True Adonis]

How many calories?

2600 for the day.

[BIG ACH]

2600 for the day.

I'm aiming for 2500 now...  But I find myself getting hungry.... not bent over starving to death or anything... but enough to make me start munching and then going off track! :-/

[The True Adonis]

I'm aiming for 2500 now...  But I find myself getting hungry.... not bent over starving to death or anything... but enough to make me start munching and then going off track! :-/

Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick.  Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.

I don`t have any meal times or anything like that.  I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM.  This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in.  This way you never overeat.

[Disgusted]

I wouldn`t be able to make the foods that I like though which is very important to me.

Can't argue with that and some of the dishes you make look awesome.

[BIG ACH]

Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick.  Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.

I don`t have any meal times or anything like that.  I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM.  This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in.  This way you never overeat.

Yeah I'm working on being a bit more disciplined.  

This is what my regular diet is right now (As usual VERY unorthodox)  plus add in 20 minutes of high intensity cardio almost everyday before I hit the weights:

4 Whole eggs
Glucosamine
Multivitamins
3 g D-Aspartic Acid

1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub

1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub

1 Fat free ice cream cone (weight watchers brand)


4 scoops CORE ABC
5 g creatine

1 scoop myofusion protein
1 scoop myofusion protein
1 bottle of gatorade performs
5 g creatine


1 Chicken breast
1/2 bag of broccolli
1 Fat free ice cream cone (Weight watchers brand)

This has me at about 200 g protein, 310 g carbs, 50 g fat (Approx. 2500 calories)

The problem is... like you say, I'm trying to adapt myself, but then I start getting hungry, and things start to go a little south.

But some good signs are:

I'm definitely looking less "bloated" / dropping water (and hopefully fat)
Pants are a bit looser
Feeling healthier
And still strong as hell in the gym
Haven't noticed any muscle loss since dropping the calories... actually my arms are even bigger than they normally are

I think its also probably a good sign that I'm not necessarily STARVING!!!  But I wish I can get my cravings more in check!

[The True Adonis]

Can't argue with that and some of the dishes you make look awesome.

And everyone you work with ends up looking awesome, so I can`t argue with that either.

[el numero uno]

Nonsense.  I think my approach is best for those who love food and want to get lean and remain that way.  You can get as ripped as you want.  If you want to make Moravian Sugar Cake, you are going to have to make it with Sugar.  There is no way around it. With my way, its possible.

First off, you didn't answer my question. I said why you think your diet is the best for everyone out there? If you eat like you say then you're not the rule you're the exception. Again, if it were that easy there would be lean guys in every corner. What makes you think your diet will work for everyone, regardless if they like to eat like that or not?

If someone likes to diet a different way, then so be it.  He may or may not have a way to eat Moravian Sugar Cake, but me personally, I love having that option.

It's obviously not about what you like or not, it's about what works for you.

I don`t have any meal times or anything like that.  I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM.  This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in.  This way you never overeat.

Oh, fasting. So despite you eat "whatever you want" you still have to feel hunger to remain lean, basically you don't eat anything for half the day.

[animal1991]

Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick.  Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.

I don`t have any meal times or anything like that.  I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM.  This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in.  This way you never overeat.

I usually do a 24 hour fast, so then you can also eat more calories on eating days.

Let's say you eat 1000 calories after a fast, then you can eat over 3000 calories on "eating" days, and still remain the same weight as your weekly average is still the same.

Weekly Calories:
2600 x 7 = 18200 kCal

Monday: 3240 Calories
Tuesday: 3240 Calories
Wednesday: 1000 Calories (FAST - Dinner)
Thursday: 3240 Calories
Friday: 3240 Calories
Saturday: 3240 Calories
Sunday: 1000 Calories (FAST - Dinner)

[The True Adonis]

Yeah I'm working on being a bit more disciplined.  

This is what my regular diet is right now (As usual VERY unorthodox)  plus add in 20 minutes of high intensity cardio almost everyday before I hit the weights:

4 Whole eggs
Glucosamine
Multivitamins
3 g D-Aspartic Acid

1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub

1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub

1 Fat free ice cream cone (weight watchers brand)


4 scoops CORE ABC
5 g creatine

1 scoop myofusion protein
1 scoop myofusion protein
1 bottle of gatorade performs
5 g creatine


1 Chicken breast
1/2 bag of broccolli
1 Fat free ice cream cone (Weight watchers brand)

This has me at about 200 g protein, 310 g carbs, 50 g fat (Approx. 2500 calories)

The problem is... like you say, I'm trying to adapt myself, but then I start getting hungry, and things start to go a little south.

But some good signs are:

I'm definitely looking less "bloated" / dropping water (and hopefully fat)
Pants are a bit looser
Feeling healthier
And still strong as hell in the gym
Haven't noticed any muscle loss since dropping the calories... actually my arms are even bigger than they normally are

I think its also probably a good sign that I'm not necessarily STARVING!!!  But I wish I can get my cravings more in check!

I was busy today so I had a Fast Food Day today and did not feel like cooking as I wanted to give my Pizza Dough one more day in cold Ferment.  Tomorrow we are going to make Pizza with Olives, Feta, Asiago Fried in Olive Oil at 550 degrees.  

My Fast Food day today was:
Whopper with Cheese-No Mayo (they slather it and I like to add my own) Large Fries, 10 Piece Chicken Nuggets.

1530 calories in that meal.


Meal Nutrition
Calories
1530
Protein
55g
Carbohydrates
164g
Sugar
13g
Fat
75g
Saturated Fat
15.5g
Trans Fat
0g
Cholesterol
105mg
Sodium
2440mg
Allergens: Wheat, Soy

[cephissus]

I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM.  This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in.  This way you never overeat.

I've been doing something similar for the last week... I find it's really easy to starve myself until the afternoon, then eat normally.

[cephissus]

Galeniko, what's wrong with McDonalds

And Chiro, you keep talking about what's "optimal" but how do you measure this?  Have you personally tried both methods and taken some measure?  Research?

[The True Adonis]

First off, you didn't answer my question. I said why you think your diet is the best for everyone out there? If you eat like you say then you're not the rule you're the exception. Again, if it were that easy there would be lean guys in every corner. What makes you think your diet will work for everyone, regardless if they like to eat like that or not?



It's obviously not about what you like or not, it's about what works for you.



Oh, fasting. So despite you eat "whatever you want" you still have to feel hunger to remain lean, basically you don't eat anything for half the day.

1. There are lean people in every corner who eat like I do.  Tons who don`t even lift weights actually.  I said if you like food and like to cook, obviously doing what I do is the best approach.  You can`t make Moravian Sugar Cake on other diets, now can you?

2. Its all about what I like to eat.  I LOVE food.  Love it.

3. I don`t fast.  I have an eating start time so I consume 2600 calories in a 24 hour period.  Its not fasting.  If you don`t have a start time and it varies everyday, you are going to be eating a whole lot more than what you think you are in a 24 hour period.  24 hour period is arbitrary as you can extend that time and calculate it weekly as some do, but for me, its not necessary and is better to do daily.  Do you not understand this?

[The True Adonis]

I've been doing something similar for the last week... I find it's really easy to starve myself until the afternoon, then eat normally.

I don`t do it to starve myself, its just around the time I normally wake up. 

[The True Adonis]

I was busy today so I had a Fast Food Day today and did not feel like cooking as I wanted to give my Pizza Dough one more day in cold Ferment.  Tomorrow we are going to make Pizza with Olives, Feta, Asiago Fried in Olive Oil at 550 degrees.  

My Fast Food day today was:
Whopper with Cheese-No Mayo (they slather it and I like to add my own) Large Fries, 10 Piece Chicken Nuggets.

1530 calories in that meal.


Meal Nutrition
Calories
1530
Protein
55g
Carbohydrates
164g
Sugar
13g
Fat
75g
Saturated Fat
15.5g
Trans Fat
0g
Cholesterol
105mg
Sodium
2440mg
Allergens: Wheat, Soy

So as you see, I still had about 1000 calories still left to eat for the day.