Driven Sports Craziness over Craze Discussion

[ukjeff]

Dark Rage is the 'strongest' shit I've tried.

Gave me nosebleeds the first couple times I tried it.

Been using 1MR for a while now, as well as C4. Recently went to the original Jak3d.

I'd prefer 6g cit malate with 15g bcaas with 25mg ephedrine sulphate and 200mg caffine mixed with fresh squeezed grapefruit juice.

Wouldnt a bit of amphetamine be better and much cheaper?

[bigmc]

Wouldnt a bit of amphetamine be better and much cheaper?

bit judgemental their jeffrey

phet is illegal its substitutes are not

[ESFitness]

Wouldnt a bit of amphetamine be better and much cheaper?

i'm not a tweaker & i'm not gonna use speed just to save a few $$$.

[ukjeff]

bit judgemental their jeffrey

phet is illegal its substitutes are not

Yes, maybe.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Dark Rage is the 'strongest' shit I've tried.

Gave me nosebleeds the first couple times I tried it.

Been using 1MR for a while now, as well as C4. Recently went to the original Jak3d.

I'd prefer 6g cit malate with 15g bcaas with 25mg ephedrine sulphate and 200mg caffine mixed with fresh squeezed grapefruit juice.

Forgot about dark rage! That stuff was awesome! I remember buying the "cola" flavor....awesome stuff.

[oliolioli]

I get the same effect from Gaspari's Detonate that I get from Craze, albeit not as faster since Craze is a powder.

It's hard to imagine the makers of both somehow connecting telepathically to spike their products with the same kind of Angeldust. Maybe it really is just the PEA/Dendrobium combo that does it.

Gaspari licensed the ingredient from Cahill, the owner of Driven Sports (maker of Craze).  No wonder you get the same feeling, the ingredient of interest is IDENTICAL for both products!

That connection was not apparent when you posted, but if you go to the thermolife thread they pointed that out very early on.

BTW, Van Bilderass, what's your history with all those supplement people?  I saw you in the thermolife thread hashing it with Kneller, seems like there is some bad blood?

[oliolioli]

Hey anyone familiar with what ALRI was spiking their products with around 2009?  I remember them mounting a marketing campaign blaming it on their Chinese powder supplier, fucking hilarious.  I think it was called "And the gloves come off" or something, just hilarious, playing the victim.

[The Onion]

Hey anyone familiar with what ALRI was spiking their products with around 2009?  I remember them mounting a marketing campaign blaming it on their Chinese powder supplier, fucking hilarious.  I think it was called "And the gloves come off" or something, just hilarious, playing the victim.

I think Venom had sibutramine in it, at least according to what I've read.

It totally killed my appetite. Good stuff.   

[Van_Bilderass]

BTW, Van Bilderass, what's your history with all those supplement people?  I saw you in the thermolife thread hashing it with Kneller, seems like there is some bad blood?

I don't think I ever interacted with him before. Just used to read his posts on bb.com, the banter between him and Patrick etc. Reason I "flamed" him is that he's now acting like some kind of good guy in the industry, when he's been involved in so much shit, product spiking etc.  Gaspari may be a scumbag but the way he tricked Gaspari by acting as a Chinese raws importer... well, who would want to hire a guy like that?

In that thread he just said, "I'm not going to respond to you anymore" LOL, what's he gonna say? I'm not making things up.

Patrick I like though. He is generally honest and you can trust what he says. He may be a junkie with a criminal mindset, but a guy who doesn't BS much. Whatever success the BALCO doping program had was due to Patrick IMO. All the other stuff was just supplemental to the designer steroid he supplied.

[Van_Bilderass]

Hey anyone familiar with what ALRI was spiking their products with around 2009?  I remember them mounting a marketing campaign blaming it on their Chinese powder supplier, fucking hilarious.  I think it was called "And the gloves come off" or something, just hilarious, playing the victim.

"ALRI", LOL he must be the biggest bullshitter of them all, Muscletech included.

[oliolioli]

What about Scott Connelly?

[240 is Back]

dont these methamphetamines make our society more productive as a whole?   I'd love it if my waiter or garbageman or car mechanic is amped up a little... get shit done faster

[Big Chiro Flex]

"ALRI", LOL he must be the biggest bullshitter of them all, Muscletech included.

What's the back story with ALRI? Ive never tried their products.

[Van_Bilderass]

More evidence. There's no longer any doubt, but DS continues to deny and Gaspari doesn't comment.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/14/tests-of-supplements-craze-and-detonate-find-methamphetamine-like-compound/2968041/

Article published in peer-reviewed Journal.

A methamphetamine analog (N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine) identified in a mainstream dietary supplement

    Pieter A. Cohen1,*,
    John C. Travis2,
    Bastiaan J. Venhuis3

Article first published online: 14 OCT 2013

DOI: 10.1002/dta.1578

Pharmaceuticals and banned substances have been detected in hundreds of purportedly natural supplements. Recently, several athletes have been disqualified from competition after testing positive for the methamphetamine analog N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine (N,α-DEPEA). Athletes have claimed they unknowingly consumed the banned stimulant in workout supplements. Three samples from different lot numbers of Craze, a workout supplement, were analyzed to detect the presence and concentration of N,α-DEPEA. Two labs independently identified N,α-DEPEA in the supplement using ultra high performance liquid chromatography (UHPLC) coupled to an LTQ Orbitrap XL mass spectrometer and UHPLC-quadruple-time-of-flight mass (Q-TOF) spectrometer, respectively. The identity of N,α-DEPEA was confirmed using nuclear magnetic resonance and reference standards. Manufacturer recommended servings were estimated to provide 21 to 35 mg of N,α-DEPEA. N,α-DEPEA has never been studied in humans. N,α-DEPEA is a methamphetamine analog; however, its stimulant, addictive and other adverse effects in humans are entirely unknown. Regulatory agencies should act expeditiously to warn consumers and remove N,α-DEPEA from all dietary supplements. Copyright © 2013 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1578/abstract

So now we have government agencies in Sweden, Australia, Netherlands, South Korea via Japan all finding this compound in Craze and Gaspari Detonate. But DS claims the compound is positively not in the product, and if it is the product is counterfeit.

Cahill probably found this patent and decided to use it:

The researchers noted that the compound had been patented in 1988 by Knoll Pharmaceuticals with claims of psychoactive effects, such as enhancing mental activities and pain tolerance. While it was never developed into a medicine, the patent described tests on animals and suggested an intended oral dose of 10 mg to 150 mg, with a target of 30 mg.

A suggested serving size of Craze yielded a dose of the compound of about 23 mg, the Japanese journal article said, and "it could be assumed that NADEP was added to the supplements intentionally for its pharmacological effects without adequate labeling."

On Facebook we have jackass Mevin Vince Goodrum offering his absolutely worthless opinion:

Patrick, I don't think it was intentionally spiked as the story pertains.....however athletes who are strictly drug tested need to buy either Informed Choice or Certified supplements rather than the shit off of the clearance rack or whatever the idiot behind the counter at GNC says for his commission

Really, Vince?

[Kim Jong Bob]

Good info van

And lol at vince comment,   so naive

[Royalty]

I was told by the owner of a large supplement distribution center that Craze will not be available for a while. Craze is being "reformulated". So once supplement warehouse's are sold out of their existing Craze inventory's, Craze will be unavailable until Driven Sports releases their new version of it.

[Van_Bilderass]

I was told by the owner of a large supplement distribution center that Craze will not be available for a while. Craze is being "reformulated". So once supplement warehouse's are sold out of their existing Craze inventory's, Craze will be unavailable until Driven Sports releases there new version of it.

I don't know about that. Cahill's priority now is staying out of jail. This thing got way big.

And how would you reformulate it? What would you replace the meth analogue with? Putting another designer drug in there would be too ballsy even for Cahill I think.

[Royalty]

I don't know about that. Cahill's priority now is staying out of jail. This thing got way big.

And how would you reformulate it? What would you replace the meth analogue with? Putting another designer drug in there would be too ballsy even for Cahill I think.

 

they Probably wont replace it with anything exotic. They will probably just quadruple the caffeine content and add some Tyrosine 

[BB]

Smart thing is to blow it out to the smaller distributors, hang on to the money in case they need to defend themselves from claims, and declare themselves out of that end of the business.

If they're lucky, maybe they keep most of it, and side step the nasty stuff.

[Papper]

I was told by the owner of a large supplement distribution center that Craze will not be available for a while. Craze is being "reformulated". So once supplement warehouse's are sold out of their existing Craze inventory's, Craze will be unavailable until Driven Sports releases their new version of it.

There is still stock of Craze at Predator Nutrition.

[dustin]

What's the back story with ALRI? Ive never tried their products.

Sold tons of spiked products. I tried their Jungle Warfare and it was awesome. The pumps I got were too good for it to be natural. Turns out, it was hot!

I bought a few bottles after the first use and forgot about them, used some oral steroids and tried JW again and it didn't feel the same. I was pissed. But then I tried another bottle and it was definitely hot. Thought I just had an underdosed bottle but a few years later reports came out saying it had some designer steroid or pro hormone.

[Papper]

I'm doings shots of Craze mixed in with hard liquor the next time I'm going out drinking.

I will be such a hit with the ladies, it will be sickening.

[Big Chiro Flex]

Sold tons of spiked products. I tried their Jungle Warfare and it was awesome. The pumps I got were too good for it to be natural. Turns out, it was hot!

I bought a few bottles after the first use and forgot about them, used some oral steroids and tried JW again and it didn't feel the same. I was pissed. But then I tried another bottle and it was definitely hot. Thought I just had an underdosed bottle but a few years later reports came out saying it had some designer steroid or pro hormone.

Interesting....their huma-pro is some fascinating protein

[El Diablo Blanco]

Interesting....their huma-pro is some fascinating protein

It's made out of ground up Asian people.

[dustin]

It's made out of ground up Asian people.

Oh no, my people! But hey, at least they're all rice fed.

Yeah, supplement companies are fucking garbage. I bought the first protein tub I've purchased in years and I just have the occasional shake when I really can't eat. I remember I used to think I'd wither away and lose my gains so I'd have 10 shakes a day with two scoops each. Fuck. Could have bought a second home with all that cash. They prey on desperate kids the way drug dealers prey on junkies.