Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11

[Irongrip400]

Post one video of a  building half the size of the twin towers being demolished with no audible or visibke explosions. No windows shattering, oh that's right, in every controlled demolition on earth they remove all the glass so it doesn't fly a thousand yards in every direction.

Controlled demolitions are over engineered with explosives so they will work and you don't have a half demolished building. You can hear them for miles

But the US Govt figured out a way to fly two 747s into two of the largest buildings on earth, and simultaneously execute an invisible, silent controlled demolition that has never been done on a building a fraction of the size....in front of the entire world

What could possibly go wrong 

Wiggs, did you finally take off the tinfoil hat?

[Radical Plato]

Visit any video compilation of demolished buildings and see for yourself.  And as for being silent, I can't believe that someone could just discount hundreds of witnesses saying they heard loud explosions and the video footage with audible explosions.

[Ropo]

What has C4 explosives got to do with controlled demolition using thermite.  You can find countless demolition video footage that collapse a building identically to 9/11, you see zero explosions and some of them you can't even see the squibs.  It seems a weird coincidence that is no precedent of other collapsed buildings pancaking into their footprint or resembling almost identically a controlled demolition.

Thermite isn't suitable for controlled demolitions by any means, because it going to be in the liquid form. That's why in the real world they use it only for welding railroads or cutting metals in the direction dictated by the gravity. Do you understand? You can't cut core columns with the liquid, no matter how hot it is, because it burns its way trough the floor, not sideways toward the core columns. You can look as many videos about the controlled demolitions as you like, but you have to undestand the facts. Not one of those proves anything, because they are controlled, which means there is tons of covers to prevent flying debris. How that could be possible in the building, which is in use all the way up at the point, where plane hit the building? Furthermore, those covers are made to withstand explosions, so where are those after collapse? Why there isn't tons of blasting covers found in the ruins? Just because there isn't any, so all explosions would be visible, there should be windows flying all over manhattan etc. and how about the sound? Where is the sound of explosions? There isn't any. Your main problem is that you are teen twat, incapable to use your brains at all, so you have to use arguments made by foil hat idiots.

[Ropo]

Visit any video compilation of demolished buildings and see for yourself.  And as for being silent, I can't believe that someone could just discount hundreds of witnesses saying they heard loud explosions and the video footage with audible explosions.

So, what you are saying is that every sharp and loud noise in this world is explosion, no matter if there isn't any evidence at all that it is? That must be the most stupid argument at the matter in last eleven years. In real world only one out of the thousand gunshots reported to the police is really a gunshot, so human ear can do mistakes. In fact, every sharp and loud noise can be registered as an explosion, if you don't see what makes the noise. That doesn't mean that they all are explosions. Furthermore, first you claim that they demolished towers by thermite, which isn't explosive at all, and now you claim that hundreds of witnesses has hear explosions? What the fuck? And exactly how that crazy amount of thermite is going to survive up to one hour in fire?

[Radical Plato]

Thermite isn't suitable for controlled demolitions by any means, because it going to be in the liquid form. That's why in the real world they use it only for welding railroads or cutting metals in the direction dictated by the gravity. Do you understand? You can't cut core columns with the liquid, no matter how hot it is, because it burns its way trough the floor, not sideways toward the core columns. You can look as many videos about the controlled demolitions as you like, but you have to undestand the facts. Not one of those proves anything, because they are controlled, which means there is tons of covers to prevent flying debris. How that could be possible in the building, which is in use all the way up at the point, where plane hit the building? Furthermore, those covers are made to withstand explosions, so where are those after collapse? Why there isn't tons of blasting covers found in the ruins? Just because there isn't any, so all explosions would be visible, there should be windows flying all over manhattan etc. and how about the sound? Where is the sound of explosions? There isn't any. Your main problem is that you are teen twat, incapable to use your brains at all, so you have to use arguments made by foil hat idiots.

LOL A teen twat - I'm 40 years old.  And I'm not the one throwing hissy fits all over this thread because someone doesn't agree with me.  

Personally, I don't care - to me it's suspicious, simple as that, many highly educated people take this stance also, a lot of people think there is a conspiracy of some sort.  I didn't even want to bother arguing 9/11 as I have done it too many times before, plus I initially sensed you were one of those unhinged whackjobs who just wanted to tell everyone how fucked up they were and how right you are because your an expert in everything.  I should have paid attention to my intuition.


^^^^^^ROPO

[Twaddle]

Visit any video compilation of demolished buildings and see for yourself.  And as for being silent, I can't believe that someone could just discount hundreds of witnesses saying they heard loud explosions and the video footage with audible explosions.

Luke, serious question.  Have you ever been around (witnessed) a real building fire?  A building that is actively burning. 

[Radical Plato]

Luke, serious question.  Have you ever been around (witnessed) a real building fire?  A building that is actively burning. 

No.  but I no longer care for this thread, I think I am finally over 9/11.  I don't care for debating it much any more.  My final stance is that I think it is suspicious, I am not saying there is or isn't a conspiracy, just that something doesn't quite add up.  I am happy for people to believe the official story and can see why they would, it's a pretty good story, and they may be right, I just don't buy it.

[daddy8ball]

Jet fuel burns much hotter than conventional combustibles.

[Twaddle]

No.  but I no longer care for this thread, I think I am finally over 9/11.  I don't care for debating it much any more.  My final stance is that I think it is suspicious, I am not saying there is or isn't a conspiracy, just that something doesn't quite add up.  I am happy for people to believe the official story and can see why they would, it's a pretty good story, and they may be right, I just don't buy it.

Since you haven't witnessed a building fire in person, I will fill you in.  There are many loud booms and explosions that have nothing to do with demolition.  They are normal sounds on any building fire.  HTH.

[kh300]

David Petraeus the former director of the CIA was caught having an affair in his office at CIA headquarters. But this guy organized hundreds of people to pull off 911? LOL

[Radical Plato]

Since you haven't witnessed a building fire in person, I will fill you in.  There are many loud booms and explosions that have nothing to do with demolition.  They are normal sounds on any building fire.  HTH.

yeah i can appreciate that, but it is pretty hard to deny that the building fell in a similar way to controlled demolitions.  When other buildings have collapsed, they haven't collapsed like that, and the fact that no other building has ever pancaked into it's own footprint as a result of fire is a pretty important precedent, especially considering the WTC was overdeveloped, this was a strong structure.  

Here I go again, discussing 9.11, I just finished reading the statement the Pilot instructor made about Hani Hanjour, the accused pilot who flew the Boeing 757 into the Pentagon.  Hani was a complete retard, the Instructor to this day cannot believe such an idiot could have performed the manoeuvres that he supposedly did.

[gee38]

the conspiracy falls on its arse because it would have needed tens of thousands of people at least to be willingly complicit in it and to never mention it to anyone around them ever. nor leave a letter in a will.


and it all went off without a single hitch.


lets face it the US couldn't even land two helicopters in bin ladens abottabad compound without fucking it up- yet were able to pull off 9/11 without much bother.

just nonsense.

[El Diablo Blanco]

One thing I think is bullshit is the list of supposed terrorists.  I'll explain what I mean.

Apparently 7-8 of them were seen at a strip club on the 9th or 10th drinking and partying with whores.

This right there is the bullshit.  If these guys were devout muslims ready to blow themselves up with the belief they would be martyrs going to heaven with virgins and all, there is no way they would be drinking and such.

It's like the pope knowing he is going to die tomorrow and see God so he goes out on a killing rampage.  That is the problem.  If you believe so much in heaven and God and willing to kill yourself for it, would you be doing things counter to your religions belief?

I really think those guys knew they were going to hijack a plane but had no intention to die or commit suicide.  It would be a classic hijacking looking for money or some political thing.  No intent to die.

The gov didn't set this up, but they were aware of it happening. 

[daddy8ball]

One thing I think is bullshit is the list of supposed terrorists.  I'll explain what I mean.

Apparently 7-8 of them were seen at a strip club on the 9th or 10th drinking and partying with whores.

This right there is the bullshit.  If these guys were devout muslims ready to blow themselves up with the belief they would be martyrs going to heaven with virgins and all, there is no way they would be drinking and such.

It's like the pope knowing he is going to die tomorrow and see God so he goes out on a killing rampage.  That is the problem.  If you believe so much in heaven and God and willing to kill yourself for it, would you be doing things counter to your religions belief?

I really think those guys knew they were going to hijack a plane but had no intention to die or commit suicide.  It would be a classic hijacking looking for money or some political thing.  No intent to die.

The gov didn't set this up, but they were aware of it happening. 

They found Osama Bin Laden's stash of porn in his house after they killed him.

Or, is that all bullshit too?

[BB]

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I always thought NOVA did a good job putting together a theory.

[Radical Plato]

the conspiracy falls on its arse because it would have needed tens of thousands of people at least to be willingly complicit in it and to never mention it to anyone around them ever. nor leave a letter in a will.

Why Tens of thousands of people? A few powerful people to come up with a plan and a trusted team to carry it out, hardly tens of thousands of people.  That's crazy talk.

[Radical Plato]

One thing I think is bullshit is the list of supposed terrorists.  I'll explain what I mean.

Apparently 7-8 of them were seen at a strip club on the 9th or 10th drinking and partying with whores.

This right there is the bullshit.  If these guys were devout muslims ready to blow themselves up with the belief they would be martyrs going to heaven with virgins and all, there is no way they would be drinking and such.

It's like the pope knowing he is going to die tomorrow and see God so he goes out on a killing rampage.  That is the problem.  If you believe so much in heaven and God and willing to kill yourself for it, would you be doing things counter to your religions belief?

I really think those guys knew they were going to hijack a plane but had no intention to die or commit suicide.  It would be a classic hijacking looking for money or some political thing.  No intent to die.

The gov didn't set this up, but they were aware of it happening. 

I also discovered that While in Maryland, some of the hijackers trained at Gold's Gym in Greenbelt.  More than likely they were getbiggers.  I wonder if a-ahmed and his followers are plotting something, they have a lot of rage towards the infidels.

[Twaddle]

yeah i can appreciate that, but it is pretty hard to deny that the building fell in a similar way to controlled demolitions.  When other buildings have collapsed, they haven't collapsed like that, and the fact that no other building has ever pancaked into it's own footprint as a result of fire is a pretty important precedent, especially considering the WTC was overdeveloped, this was a strong structure.  

Here I go again, discussing 9.11, I just finished reading the statement the Pilot instructor made about Hani Hanjour, the accused pilot who flew the Boeing 757 into the Pentagon.  Hani was a complete retard, the Instructor to this day cannot believe such an idiot could have performed the manoeuvres that he supposedly did.

Many buildings have progressively (pancake) collapsed due to fire damage.  WTC is not the first by any means, and won't be the last.  It's not uncommon.

[Radical Plato]

Many buildings have progressively (pancake) collapsed due to fire damage.  WTC is not the first by any means, and won't be the last.  It's not uncommon.

That's not true, please provide evidence.  As far as I am aware No high Rise in the history of the world has ever collapsed due to fire, let alone pancake collapsed into it's own footprint.  The only documented cases of high-rise buildings undergoing complete collapse involved either controlled demolition or severe earthquakes. Of those, only controlled demolitions have caused such buildings to fall vertically into their footprints, leaving relatively small rubble piles, as was the case with WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7.  Nearly all building collapses not involving controlled demolition are partial rather than total.

The One Meridian Plaza Fire

The First Interstate Bank Fire

The 1 New York Plaza Fire

Caracas Tower Fire

The Windsor Building Fire

The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire

All these high rises were ravaged by fire for far longer than WTC and they never collapsed.  The total collapse of steel-framed buildings appears to be an extremely rare event, even when large earthquakes are involved. In the Kobe and Mexico City earthquakes, many such buildings were severely damaged, and some experienced partial collapse. A 21-story office building in Mexico City appears to be the only such structure that has suffered a collapse described as total as a result of a stress other than controlled demolition.



This is what building look like when they collapse due to earthquake.

[Twaddle]

man, show some respect for the dead, if it wasnt that hot, she wouldve taken a freaking seat on some chair in there and browsed the internet.

you know why shes standing there?because it was very hot in there, shes standing there deciding whether to jump to certain death or to get cooked alive.

no comeon.please."chilling"

She's obviously enjoying the view.   

[Twaddle]

That's not true, please provide evidence.  As far as I am aware No high Rise in the history of the world has ever collapsed due to fire, let alone pancake collapsed into it's own footprint.  The only documented cases of high-rise buildings undergoing complete collapse involved either controlled demolition or severe earthquakes. Of those, only controlled demolitions have caused such buildings to fall vertically into their footprints, leaving relatively small rubble piles, as was the case with WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7.  Nearly all building collapses not involving controlled demolition are partial rather than total.

The One Meridian Plaza Fire

The First Interstate Bank Fire

The 1 New York Plaza Fire

Caracas Tower Fire

The Windsor Building Fire

The Beijing Mandarin Oriental Hotel Fire

All these high rises were ravaged by fire for far longer than WTC and they never collapsed.  The total collapse of steel-framed buildings appears to be an extremely rare event, even when large earthquakes are involved. In the Kobe and Mexico City earthquakes, many such buildings were severely damaged, and some experienced partial collapse. A 21-story office building in Mexico City appears to be the only such structure that has suffered a collapse described as total as a result of a stress other than controlled demolition.



This is what building look like when they collapse due to earthquake.

You said no other building has pancaked.  They have.  You're correct though that no other skyscraper has ever pancaked.  However, there has never been any other fires the same as WTC.  No other buildings as large with the same fire load, fuel, and damage have ever existed.  Many steel structures left alone to burn will eventually collapse.

Earthquakes shake the buildings from the bottom.  Fires from within a building weaken the support columns.  You're comparing apples to oranges.   

[BB]

I'm a Structural Engineer.

Throughout history, no steel building constructed after 1900 has ever collapsed due to a fire, ever; not even shitty ones built in 3rd world countries.  Not even when they tried to do it intentionally back in the early 1900's to test theories.  The twin towers were designed to take multiple plane impacts without the structural integrity being compromised.  In fact, the Structural Engineer who designed the buildings said they could withstand three 747 jets hitting them at the same time.

Go figure.

Actually it was one 707, they designed it to take a low speed crash like the Empire State Building crash of 1945. Also Lesie Robertson, who was the designer and engineer on the project agreed with the NIST reports and the theory outlined here, although he isn't the best source of information, as he seems to waffle and protect his image a lot in interviews -

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(Seriously, give it a watch when you've got time, the theory is very sound).

You can hear him here in a debate -

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[Roger Bacon]

[Radical Plato]

You said no other building has pancaked.  They have.  You're correct though that no other skyscraper has ever pancaked.  However, there has never been any other fires the same as WTC.  No other buildings as large with the same fire load, fuel, and damage have ever existed.  Many steel structures left alone to burn will eventually collapse.

Earthquakes shake the buildings from the bottom.  Fires from within a building weaken the support columns.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  

Please cite buildings that pancake collapsed, and many other buildings have suffered far worse fires than WTC 7 and survived.  You need to forget about the planes, because WTC 7 was never hit by any planes and supposedly collapsed as a result of fire.  

Caracas Tower Fire, the tallest skyscraper in Caracas, a 50 story building experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours.  Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors.  Guess what, still standing

[The Abdominal Snoman]

If they would have just toppled these buildings over like should have happened, millions of people wouldn't be second guessing them. But they brought them down demolition style for the shock and Awe effect. And, to get many millions of people to come out of the wood work and voice their opinions on who's likely to be against them. The end game is a One World Government. 9/11 helped spark deep emotions in people. The Hierarchy got to see and hear the reactions of seemingly hard working, law abiding citizens. And for the millions of people who are "against" them, they all get herded into a part of their super computer and are now much easier to be dealt with when the time comes. Facebook is also a great resource for them to put "labels" on us. As are forums like this one ...Many of them owned and run by Hierarchy bloodline.