Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11

[jprc10]

Well, the point is this: when you see something first time in your life, how do you know if it is fake or not? Answer is simple, you can't know that, before you have something to compare it. What comes to this case, you can't compare it to anything, so how do you know if it is fake or not?

What comes to spelling, blame google translator..

Well in this case we do have examples to compare them with:

1. There a re examples of buildings that have been on fire for longer periods of time that did not collapse, structurally weaker buildings mind you.
2. There are tons of examples or videos of controlled demolitions and the twin towers and building 7 both collapsed in the exact same way.

[jprc10]

One engineer that wasn't in the thick of things, and probably wasn't following it as closely as others.

Now you've got a team of independent engineers here* that actually spent tons of man hours actually there, saying this is what all of us figure, and I'll be damned if doesn't make sense to even a neophyte.

*

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Give it the first 20 - 25  minutes, even in that short time, you get a picture of how everything probably happened.

Are you a structural engineer yourself? How do you know these guys weren't paid off to say such things? You know like the report that commission that was supposed to investigate the events put out. But even if it is true, there are quite as many experts on the other side of the fence that support the theory of a controlled demolition.

[Seven Copper Coins]

Well in this case we do have examples to compare them with:

1. There a re examples of buildings that have been on fire for longer periods of time that did not collapse, structurally weaker buildings mind you.
2. There are tons of examples or videos of controlled demolitions and the twin towers and building 7 both collapsed in the exact same way.

Were they hit by fully fueled jumbo jets at 350mph ?

Do you have any idea the sheer size of the twin towers ? So the govt managed to wire up these MASSIVE skyscrapers with enough explosives that they knew it would work, and they did it with a few CIA guys posing as janitors...

[oldtimer1]

A jet full of fuel hits a structure moving as fast as a .38 special bullet and everyone wonders how it caused a building to fall down?

[Seven Copper Coins]

A jet full of fuel hits a structure moving as fast as a .38 special bullet and everyone wonders how it caused a building to fall down?

What it tells me is people are stupider than i originally thought. The premise alone is ludicrous

[Roger Bacon]

http://www2.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

 Please Take Notice That:

On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned


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[arce1988]

The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.

[Roger Bacon]

The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the official investigation even touched WTC 7.

[BB]

Are you a structural engineer yourself? How do you know these guys weren't paid off to say such things? You know like the report that commission that was supposed to investigate the events put out. But even if it is true, there are quite as many experts on the other side of the fence that support the theory of a controlled demolition.

No, but it makes perfect sense, when you look at the actual construction of the building as they outline it in that video, and from actual  accounts of people that worked on those buildings -

a) They built to it resist wind and a minor 707 sized plane accident. The majority of the stability was around the perimeter and at the very center  to remove the need for extra columns needed in older construction. This was done to increase rental space. The center coulmns were somewhat free floating, only attached to the outside frame by series of truss, etc..... that were bolted or welded together. The walls and such were simply a lite shell of sheetrock, nothing more. The construction methods are long time public fact. You can't change that. You'd have to get thousands of people aboard your little conspiracy train.

The plane compromises some exterior frame work, wipes out the light interior walling, and some of the lightly bonded interior columns, etc.... which causes a lot of the remaining load above to be transfered to the compromised exterior columns.

b) Meanwhile, the original WTC engineering plans never took into account the fuel dump from the crash, all the original designers mention it. They were concentrating on impact damage. The waterworks were cut off to the building, so the intense fire has time to work on the now exposed interior truss system that anchored the exterior support skeleton to the interior skeleton.

The metal weakens and sags due to the heat (you don't need to be a structural engineer to understand the damage caused by heat to metals, anyone who's ever done any metal work has seen it). Here's a chart showing the weakening effect of heat on steel at less than 2/3  of the temperatures of that were reached on that day - http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html .

The bolts shear and the welds crack, and that's all she wrote.

This theory makes perfect sense.

Futhermore more, you can't compare a fire in building a, b, c, etc.... to what happened to the WTC unless 1) They are of similar, near exact construction, 2) subject to the same impact forces,  3) subject to the same temperatures, and 4) all other unknowables.

Till then, I'll go with the theory that makes the most sense, which is the one laid out above.

[Twaddle]

[BB]

Perhaps an unseen force was at work that day -

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[oldtimer1]

What it tells me is people are stupider than i originally thought. The premise alone is ludicrous

I can assure you I'm not stupid. What do you find wrong with what I said. A .38 special 158 grain lead round nose fired at 675 feet per second is moving approximately at the same speed as a jet.Do the math genius. Imagine the foot pounds of energy being released into the structure then add the jet fuel.  

I was at ground zero on the second day. I observed the fire and smoke that went on for many days.

 Any one with a government conspiracy theory can't be taken seriously as a rational healthy mind.  In regards to poor engineering design of the WTC no one could have imagined pouring the fuel of a jet into it and igniting it. Then add to the weight of the destroyed floors debris falling on the other floors.

[oldtimer1]

I have to get my head examined for even commenting on this board.

[Pray_4_War]

David Petraeus the former director of the CIA was caught having an affair in his office at CIA headquarters. But this guy organized hundreds of people to pull off 911? LOL

Exactly.  I'm curious as to what the government has done to make people think that they could orchestrate something like this.  The government fucks up everything they touch.  Heads up their asses.  Even if they were able to do it I don't buy that everyone involved kept their mouth shut about it.  911 conspiracy theories are total bullshit with virtually no hard evidence to support their theories. 

[jwb]

I wanna know what buildings that tall have ever been brought down by controlled demo so we can draw a valid comparison.

Oops, the tallest was only 26 stories versus the towers which were 110 stories high!

[Seven Copper Coins]

I have to get my head examined for even commenting on this board.

I was agreeing with you asshat

[Radical Plato]

this brings me to another often mised point.

ppl say they heard of a steel column building which has collapsed due to fire.

no shit,haha, but how about building where a freaking jumbo jet with quite some keroene(quite explosive)crashed into beforehand?

i mean how can one disregard the fact that a jubo jet flew into it, this wasnt just a fire bc some oven in the pizzeria overheated

I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning planes hitting a building, WTC7  fell into it's own footprint due to fire.  the whole plane issue is irrelevant when WTC 7 is taken into consideration.

[jwb]

I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning planes hitting a building, WTC7  fell into it's own footprint due to fire.  the whole plane issue is irrelevant when WTC 7 is taken into consideration.

WTC caught fire, and was damaged, when one of the towers fell into it.

[quadzilla456]

Exactly.  I'm curious as to what the government has done to make people think that they could orchestrate something like this.  The government fucks up everything they touch.  Heads up their asses.  Even if they were able to do it I don't buy that everyone involved kept their mouth shut about it.  911 conspiracy theories are total bullshit with virtually no hard evidence to support their theories. 

You don't understand how a hierarchy works. Have you ever worked on a large project with many teams and participants? The small guy at the bottom has a small task and doesn't know the big picture. It is very easy to pull off a conspiracy with unknowing accomplices.

The government managed to get the USA involved in a war with Vietnam, killing thousands of soldiers and millions of Vietnamese because of a fabricated incident that did not happen as they claimed and they now admit it.

Governments have killed millions of people in the past. Don't use that weak excuse that they are too incompetent to kill or harm anyone. That is simply not true and history proves you totally wrong.

The government was able to develop the Atomic Bomb under secrecy - a huge undertaking.

The government is encroaching on your rights every year. Very incompetent of them but they are achieving their goal.

Because the government works for a small, powerful elite. A few people are masterminding the big, broad strokes that the government minions will execute.

[Twaddle]

I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning planes hitting a building, WTC7  fell into it's own footprint due to fire.  the whole plane issue is irrelevant when WTC 7 is taken into consideration.

WTC 7 was damaged by WTC 1 falling into it, causing structural damage.  Furthermore, it stored 6000 gallons of oil, which was burning.  The structural damage, plus the fact that it burned all day led to it's falling.  HTH.   

[tommywishbone]

Cats,  give it rest. If 911 conspiracy nutjobs believe in things that never happened, you won't be able to convince them otherwise.


Here's something we can actually see, touch and believe in.

[Nirvana]

may i add soemthing.

to the ones who say the towers fell at freefall speed.

if you look at the objets and ppl who jumped, they fell faster than the towers came down.

just saying.

and yes, jet fuel will weaken a steel structure by a huge amount.

10 years later and noone brought this to court succesfuly?

are the courts in on it too?

look, the cia cant be trusted, and govt cant be trusted each one loves themselves the most, but wheres court proof evidence?

OJ Simpson has it

[quadzilla456]

I wanna know what buildings that tall have ever been brought down by controlled demo so we can draw a valid comparison.

Oops, the tallest was only 26 stories versus the towers which were 110 stories high!

Well, the 110 stories came down in text book demo fashion. What are the chances that a controlled demolition would be less perfect than a natural collapse?

[tommywishbone]

Well, the 110 stories came down in text book demo fashion. What are the chances that a controlled demolition would be less perfect than a natural collapse?

Your government conspirators had no idea what would happen when those jets crashed into those building. What if the buildings fell over like trees in a hurricane and the debris was just laying there with all the demolition charges in place? They would all, ALL be executed for treason and mass murder. Do you think your brilliant goverment would try that?

This thread makes me stupid and I don't need any help being stupid.

[Seven Copper Coins]

Your government conspirators had no idea what would happen when those jets crashed into those building. What if the buildings fell over like trees in a hurricane and the debris was just laying there with all the demolition charges in place? They would all, ALL be executed for treason and mass murder. Do you think your brilliant goverment would try that?

This thread makes me stupid and I don't need any help being stupid.

Yup i said pretty much the same thing,  its beyond stupid.