Russian Skyscraper Fire vs. 9/11

[Ropo]

I'll buy that idea.  The question I have to all the conspiracy theororists is this.  If the govt was really responsible, why would they go to all the trouble of planes, demolition, etc?  Why wouldn't they just bomb the ever living shit out of the twin towers, blame it on terrorists, and call it a day?

Right. And it they want to provocate war with Saddam, do you really need to kill bunch of people? No. You take an ugly arab, and put him to piss on USA flag front of the white house and cnn cameras, and next you will know is they are bombing Bagdad  

[quadzilla456]

What they let us see (not much)

OCT - Officially released frames

What we would expect to see

Artist's conception

[quadzilla456]

Right. And it they want to provocate war with Saddam, do you really need to kill bunch of people? No. You take an ugly arab, and put him to piss on USA flag front of the white house and cnn cameras, and next you will know is they are bombing Bagdad  

You are so full of shit. Here Muslims stone Christians in Dearborn, USA and the police follow the Christians and arrest them!

People in the USA don't go nuts when their flag is pissed on. That's what Muslims do. So much for that little theory of yours.

They needed something dramatic like 911 to implement their plans. 911 was not the first false flag and it won't be the last. I guarantee it.

[Twaddle]

List the names of the 100s that physically saw it fly into the Pentagon.

Here are some witnesses on video

List the names?  Are you fucking retarded?  How would anyone know their names?   

[Ropo]

Here is another gem - the pristine Pentagon Lawn after a airliner supposedly ripped through it and crashed into the ground level. Eye witnesses have been interviewed and contradicted the supposed flight path. They had a decoy plane fly over the Pentagon and then bombed it with a missile.

Ooo, what a genius. And that decoy plane turns invisible, because thousands of people see it flying toward the pentagon, but no one after that. And how it fly after hitting those steel lamp post and cutting them down and furthermore, how that tiny cruise missile, which is only 5 meters long, could carry 30 tons of jet fuel which we see in that fireball? That will be a quite large wing tank needed to do that..

And where is the explosion? If you look photos taken during fire-extinguishing, you see that all the debris of the house itself has been flying inwards in the point of impact, and only debris of the plane is outside of the house. This proves that the fuselage make the hole in the building, and the wings break into smithereens outside the buiding, bursting out the jet fuel which ignated and make that fireball.
There is even parts of 757 visible in the pictures taken just after collision. http://publicintelligence.net/911-pentagon-damage-immediate-aftermath-high-resolution-photos/

[Ropo]

List the names of the 100s that physically saw it fly into the Pentagon.

Here are some witnesses on video

In fact, there is the list and what they see in the internet. Is nice to see that in the crisis, foil hat idiots build their defence on the shoulders of the bunch of ignorant neeguls 

Well that wasn't nice thing to say, and I apologize to them, because that bunch seem to be smarter that bunch of foil hats. There was hundreds of witnesses making their statement, and those four ends up in the foil hat video. Never wonder why? Hey, lets go and interview those, who has been making silliest statements in this case. Do they find truth this way?

There were enormous pile of the hard evidence at the pentagon, but some how they doesn't end up to foil hat idiots web sites. There were plane full of people in that fire, and even that we have photos. Then there is conflict between claims and reality, because there isn't missile big enough to look like aeroplane, or big enough to carry that kerosene load. Not big enough to do those damages, so what hit the pentagon? First one 757 and then storm of foil hat idiots.

[Ropo]

What they let us see (not much)

OCT - Officially released frames

What we would expect to see

Artist's conception

So, security cam at the gate takes picture every two second and that is miracle for you? They aren't there to take pictures of the passing planes, but them who use that gate. And what about the claims that there was 50 security cams at the area, and FBI take them all. Well, there was number of cameras, in banks, in petrol stations etc. but not around the USA top military facility. Wonder why? Show me just one military building, which has bunch of cameras pointing every direction? Those military guys like their privacy, believe it or not..

[Ropo]

You are so full of shit. Here Muslims stone Christians in Dearborn, USA and the police follow the Christians and arrest them!

People in the USA don't go nuts when their flag is pissed on. That's what Muslims do. So much for that little theory of yours.

They needed something dramatic like 911 to implement their plans. 911 was not the first false flag and it won't be the last. I guarantee it.

Dramatic my ass. How about these:
Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Grenada
Beirut
Libya
Panama
Persian Gulf War (1990–1991)
Somalia
Haiti
Yugoslavia

But for beating Saddam they need something dramatic? And you say that I am full of shit? Ok. Why WTC, why not terrorist hit towards any school bus? That would be dramatic enough, regarding the truth that in the previous years you haven't need provocation at all. 

[Ropo]

List the names?  Are you fucking retarded?  How would anyone know their names?   

I know everything, including this: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html Try to read all of them.

[jwb]

I know everything, including this: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html Try to read all of them.

Ha checkmate!

Btw, the plane that hit the pentagon was the much smaller Boeing 757-200 compared to the 767-300's that hit the towers.

[quadzilla456]

Dramatic my ass. How about these:
Vietnam War (1964–1975)

Vietnam war started because of a false accusation - not flag burning.

The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.
The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.

[quadzilla456]

So, security cam at the gate takes picture every two second and that is miracle for you? They aren't there to take pictures of the passing planes, but them who use that gate. And what about the claims that there was 50 security cams at the area, and FBI take them all. Well, there was number of cameras, in banks, in petrol stations etc. but not around the USA top military facility. Wonder why? Show me just one military building, which has bunch of cameras pointing every direction? Those military guys like their privacy, believe it or not..

You are a moron. There are enough frames to capture the explosion / fireball but not enough to capture the plane? The size does not add up. The plane would have been in clear view. There you have it. An actual video showing a fireball and no airplane yet you still defend it. You are hopeless and grasping at straws. I can see the desperation in you.

HAHA!

[Ropo]

You are a moron. There are enough frames to capture the explosion / fireball but not enough to capture the plane? The size does not add up. The plane would have been in clear view. There you have it. An actual video showing a fireball and no airplane yet you still defend it. You are hopeless and grasping at straws. I can see the desperation in you.

HAHA!

Yep. I have seen original footage, and frame clock is visible, furthermore it is just what that type of gate camera can do at is best. If they would know what is coming, there would be hollywood film group filming that just for you. And who cares about that video, while your and other foil hat idiots claims about the missile are just insane? Please point out even one missile which is capable to fly with 30 tons of cerosene. That  means tank truck full of jet fuel. For five meters long cruise missile that will be quite a load.

[Ropo]

Vietnam war started because of a false accusation - not flag burning.

The second Tonkin Gulf incident was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts"[6] (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.
The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.

And which one requires killing few thousand your own citizens for starters?

[lilhawk1]

Very obvious indeed. But where is the evidence? There isn't even one little explosion for one good reason. There isn't such thing like explosives which you can leave to hang out in inferno like that, and after hour of burning they go off just like planned. All explosives are basicly chemical compounds, and all chemicals react heat, so controlled demolition with some kind of fireproof explosives, detonation cords and caps is 100% impossible task. So how exactly they do it, while there isn't any way to do it? Point out even one explosive which doesn't react fire. Just one? Pretty please??

You can see demolition squibs all over the place on the towers as they are falling.  This is evidence of explosions I would say.  You do realize that the fires were confined to a small number of floors don't you?  The compounds used were thermite and nano- thermite, not conventional demolition explosives.  The huge dust cloud you see from the collapse is called pyroclastic flow, caused by controlled demolition, which is the only explanation for pulverized concrete.  The buildings were designed specifically to withstand impact from a jet, and designed so that if something catastrophic did happen, then the entire complex wouldn't collapse, but break off.  How do explain the presence of thermite in the rubble?  How do you explain Larry Silverstein saying they went ahead and "pulled" building 7?  He admitted it was a controlled demolition on camera.  Why was that building wired for controlled demolition?  You really need to research the topic a bit more.

[lilhawk1]

if you buy a book about 9/11 you are the ultimate sucker.

So researching an important event in the history of our country means I'm a sucker?  Right.  Reading something to gather information on both sides of the story makes a person a sucker?  I would say blindly accepting the bullshit our government and media feeds us makes a person a sucker.

[lilhawk1]

indeed, for you can have all the info for free on alex jones broadcast

Read The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin.  I accepted the shit the government tried to feed everyone at first as well, until I opened my friggin eyes and realized it just doesn't add up.  Far too many inconsistencies with everything that happened that day for our government to not have been directly involved. 

[lilhawk1]

And which one requires killing few thousand your own citizens for starters?

If you don't think our government would kill its own citizens, look up Operation Northwoods.  This was planned during the Kennedy administration.

[quadzilla456]

You can see demolition squibs all over the place on the towers as they are falling.  This is evidence of explosions I would say.  You do realize that the fires were confined to a small number of floors don't you?  The compounds used were thermite and nano- thermite, not conventional demolition explosives.  The huge dust cloud you see from the collapse is called pyroclastic flow, caused by controlled demolition, which is the only explanation for pulverized concrete.  The buildings were designed specifically to withstand impact from a jet, and designed so that if something catastrophic did happen, then the entire complex wouldn't collapse, but break off.  How do explain the presence of thermite in the rubble?  How do you explain Larry Silverstein saying they went ahead and "pulled" building 7?  He admitted it was a controlled demolition on camera.  Why was that building wired for controlled demolition?  You really need to research the topic a bit more.

Good post!

[quadzilla456]

So researching an important event in the history of our country means I'm a sucker?  Right.  Reading something to gather information on both sides of the story makes a person a sucker?  I would say blindly accepting the bullshit our government and media feeds us makes a person a sucker.

Exactly. Those that refuse to do a little research and blindly slurp up all the bs their "media and leaders" feed them are the real suckers.

[Ropo]

You can see demolition squibs all over the place on the towers as they are falling.  This is evidence of explosions I would say.  You do realize that the fires were confined to a small number of floors don't you?  The compounds used were thermite and nano- thermite, not conventional demolition explosives.  The huge dust cloud you see from the collapse is called pyroclastic flow, caused by controlled demolition, which is the only explanation for pulverized concrete.  The buildings were designed specifically to withstand impact from a jet, and designed so that if something catastrophic did happen, then the entire complex wouldn't collapse, but break off.  How do explain the presence of thermite in the rubble?  How do you explain Larry Silverstein saying they went ahead and "pulled" building 7?  He admitted it was a controlled demolition on camera.  Why was that building wired for controlled demolition?  You really need to research the topic a bit more.

What you really can see there, is air bursting out from the easiest way, while collapse rise the pressure in the rooms. There is 4000 square meters of space in every room, room hight is at least 3 meters, so do you math. How many cubic meters of air there is in each room? When collapse presses floors toward each other, air between has to go somewhere. Furthermore, speed of those bursts is somewhere of the region 400-600 m/s, while slowest explosives are twise as fast.

And where is the sound? Where is the columns, cutted by the explosions? There is no such thing in ruins. If there would be some signs of explosion in the ruins, I bet that some foil hat would be pointing them out with pleasure. Have you seen one? No, because there isn't one. And try to explain why only few windows were broken, while there has to be tons of explosives detonated in that tower? Laws of physics demands that where is an explosion, there is a shock wave, and with that amount of explosives, it would be big. It would blow out all windows, not only few. This you don't see in demolition videos, because they usually take the windows away before detonation to prevent any flying glass.  

[Ropo]

So researching an important event in the history of our country means I'm a sucker?  Right.  Reading something to gather information on both sides of the story makes a person a sucker?  I would say blindly accepting the bullshit our government and media feeds us makes a person a sucker.

If you buy a history book, you are a smart man. If you buy some foil hats book about the 9/11, you are a moron. That's the difference. 99% of the literature about the 9/11 is total bullshit, written by the foil hat idiots. That's why you should look what you buy.

[Ropo]

Read The New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin.  I accepted the shit the government tried to feed everyone at first as well, until I opened my friggin eyes and realized it just doesn't add up.  Far too many inconsistencies with everything that happened that day for our government to not have been directly involved. 

Load of foil hat bullshit, no more than that. Claims and false evidence, and crap like that, for idiots who are dumb enough to pay the prize. Why there has to be prize when these guys are "revealing truth"? Why? Just because their truth is on sale, and people with their right mind call it bullshit.

[Radical Plato]

People like Ropo are a perfect example of how well the system works, how it makes citizens resistant to question authority and to ridicule those who do.  The reason he gets so emotional and hysterical about 9/11 is because the thought that Governments don't have citizens best interests at heart cause him great anxiety, as it should do in those that have been properly indoctrinated.  To investigate 9/11 and not be suspicious is cause for concern, you don't need to believe it was a conspiracy, but at least acknowledge that all the pieces of the puzzle don't seem to fit together.  

I asked Ropo about the missing 3/4 billion dollars stored under the WTC and he just said it was false.  It was well documented how much money was stored there, and how much money was recovered.  Anything Ropo doesn't like the sound of he just calls it a claim or bullshit.  Ropo is a man who cannot stand the thought that he may be wrong, that everything isn't as black and white as he wants it to be.  His constant name calling of people who ask questions about suspicious events is indication of why Governments feel no resistance when it comes to duping the public, they know there is many people like Ropo who will lap up anything they are told, like the good little boy the Government raised them to be.

[BigRo]

well said.