going to church pisses me off

[Man of Steel]

do you believe he had a pair of every animal in the world

Atheist thread on the religion board around page 15 or so....hashed and rehashed there and in other threads.   Bible indicates pair of every "kind"....I don't know how to define the term "kind".     

[bigmc]

Atheist thread on the religion board around page 15 or so....hashed and rehashed there and in other threads.   Bible indicates pair of every "kind"....I don't know how to define the term "kind".     

seems like you would need a pretty big boat

isnt it a story to highlight the evils of depravity and that there is always hope

rather than a literal historical interpretation

[Man of Steel]

seems like you would need a pretty big boat

isnt it a story to highlight the evils of depravity and that there is always hope

rather than a literal historical interpretation

Some believe it's purely a nonliteral narrative teaching a deeper moral message and others believe it's a true event.  My honest answer is I believe the story, but I also don't know exactly how it all played out.  There simply isn't enough information for me to give a definitive answer to every question or objection.  Theists and atheists have picked apart the flood narrative from side to side and top to bottom.  Biblical apologists have proposed reasonable suggestions for virtually everything, but in the end every question simply can't be answered fully and completely for all audiences. 

[Radical Plato]

I often wonder what they fed the carnivores on Noah's Ark, and after the completion of the Journey when they once again settled on land.

[AbrahamG]

waste of a fucking sunday

Did Fr. Dave quit blowing you or something?

[Rajkapoor]

waste of a fucking sunday

Dont go than.why crying over getbigers shoulder.

[cephissus]

seems like you would need a pretty big boat

good thing the bible outlines exactly how big it is, in great detail...  can't remember off the top of my head but i think it might clock in a little on the small side for the purposes of reseeding planet earth.

[cephissus]

The notion of religion has become a cliche....an inside joke if you will.

what a crock of shit... literally every protestant-derived sect or "non-denominational" will claim something like this these days, claiming their "personal relationship with christ" is something far more profound than the tired practices of catholicism, or whatever other guise they want to drape of catholicism.  nothing more than a practice in renaming.  to paraphrase schopenhauer, you can call your religion whatever you want, its alias will soon be found out.

[Man of Steel]

what a crock of shit... literally every protestant-derived sect or "non-denominational" will claim something like this these days, claiming their "personal relationship with christ" is something far more profound than the tired practices of catholicism, or whatever other guise they want to drape of catholicism.  nothing more than a practice in renaming.  to paraphrase schopenhauer, you can call your religion whatever you want, its alias will soon be found out.

I can understand how you can conclude that, but it's simply not the case.  I won't speak for Catholics either because I'm a Christian....Catholicism and Christianity are two different "religions".   Certainly they have similarities, but their tenets and culture are quite different.  Regardless, a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is not simply a dismissive renaming of organized religion in attempt to avoid some sort of persecution or debate.  As a believer in Christ I'm guaranteed to be persecuted or ridiculed regardless, but I accept that.....I don't prefer it, but I accept it.  Wrapping a dismissive, clever turn of phrase around "a personal relationship with Jesus Christ" negates nothing I've said about it.  Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, non-denominational, Christian, Trinitarian, what have you.....my "religion" is Jesus Christ - plain and simple.  I belong to a church,  I attend church, I associate with other believers, but my faith in Christ isn't defined by that association.  I live out my faith in accordance with Christ's will for my life.  I don't dislike the notion of church or organized religion, but I don't wholly prescribe to it either.   In the end, if I'm left with only one option for "religion" in my life I choose Christ and Christ alone.  

[Man of Steel]

I often wonder what they fed the carnivores on Noah's Ark, and after the completion of the Journey when they once again settled on land.

This is a great example of what I stated above.  Me personally, I just don't have enough information to answer this question fully.  Certainly I can make a reasonable apologetic plea (and others have), but I don't believe that's particularly helpful.

[dyslexic]

Going to church can be very inspirational, but I have to admit, there are times when the sermon just doesn't seem to apply to me. I wouldn't stop going though man.

It keeps you in touch with the true reality of things. Live to Live. Living to die is not a good choice.


Hope it all works out ~ have an open mind. If the music is good, try to enjoy that. The contemporary Christian rock bands now are pretty cool to listen to.

[DroppingPlates]

Going to church can be very inspirational, but I have to admit, there are times when the sermon just doesn't seem to apply to me. I wouldn't stop going though man.

It keeps you in touch with the true reality of things. Live to Live. Living to die is not a good choice.


Hope it all works out ~ have an open mind. If the music is good, try to enjoy that. The contemporary Christian rock bands now are pretty cool to listen to.

It's def good to have an open mind, but the problem is that many religious folks are far from open-minded (no hating)

[Man of Steel]

It's def good to have an open mind, but the problem is that many religious folks are far from open-minded (no hating)

Unfortunately this is true.  I think many well-intentioned folks get clicky at church and often forget the message of Christ.  No sharing of the gospel with others, no stepping outside the "churchy" box, going through the motions, quick to condemn others, etc....it's pride and vanity.

[anabolichalo]

Unfortunately this is true.  I think many well-intentioned folks get clicky at church and often forget the message of Christ.  No sharing of the gospel with others, no stepping outside the "churchy" box, going through the motions, quick to condemn others, etc....it's pride and vanity.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


whenever i find myself in church i feel disappointment with these people

they are just there to show off their church attire and get some attention


most of them do not display any "christian virtues" at all, in fact, more like the opposite

[Man of Steel]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


whenever i find myself in church i feel disappointment with these people

they are just there to show off their church attire and get some attention


most of them do not display any "christian virtues" at all, in fact, more like the opposite

Well, I'm not saying I'm any better than anyone else, but I do belief I'm better off than some "Christians" because I know without a doubt that I am saved.  

From a perspective of Christianity (and I genuinely dislike saying this) I believe there will be many self-professed Christians in the churches of past and present and future that will find themselves forever separated from God when they exit this life.  I'm not saying a believer in Christ is without sin....we've all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  I believe that many Christians are nominal Christians at best and have not truly accepted Christ as they certainly don't live out their faith if they have.  

It's a matter of spiritual maturity and this is something that I'm striving to improve in my own life.  My faith in Christ must be lived out according to the will of the one I call Lord and Savior.  I speak on these boards now so that others that don't know Jesus Christ can at least have some type of exposure to him and understand that all of us are sinners and all need to reconciled with him by accepting his sacrifice for us on Calvary's cross.  

Each relationship with Jesus Christ is personal, but attaintable for all.....easily!!  That's what the gospel means....it's the "good news" of Jesus Christ!   Understand that you are a sinner, but confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that Christ is the risen Savior and you will be saved by grace through faith and indwelled by the Holy Spirit and made anew.  Cliche and laughable to some, but hope and promise for others that don't know his gospel.  Not all will come to Christ....most will turn from him.  

My continued prayers for all on this board (as it's part of my small circle of influence in this vast world) is that they can somehow come to know the love of Jesus Christ like I have.  Forgot the objections to "churchiness" and the misguided actions of others.  In the end the judgement of God will only entail a review and accounting of our individual actions.   Call on the name of Jesus and believe in him and experience the reality of his existence and presence in your own life.....that's all I want for others.

God bless!

[Beefjake]

I often wonder what they fed the carnivores on Noah's Ark, and after the completion of the Journey when they once again settled on land.

There were propably 2/3 of planet population to feed'em with. (at least )

All sorts of different "pagan" religions belive differently and were unaffected.

[Man of Steel]

I've got a little altar here with a copy of Strunk and White (2nd ed.) at its centre, surrounded by scented candles. I will soon steeple my hands, enter a meditative state, and pray to the Lord that you cease dropping walls of text atop our heads and learn to organize thoughts into paragraphs content-wise and/or logic-wise. You've got to understand: these walls are no better than the charred walls of the damned for someone like me.

Since all things are possible through Him, I expect the change to be effected immediately. Thanks in advance!

There you go syntaxmachine....easier to read paragraphs.  I  Hope that helps!

[anabolichalo]

i would become a devoted christian if it would help me get rich

but apparently it doesnt help christians to become rich

so whats the point basically


i mean it would be easy for an all powerful god to make someone rich

he did it for a lot of guys in the bible


but seems like he doesnt do it for current christians

so maybe he retired

[Parker]

Just go and look at women's butts...that will get you thru service---if you don't like the sermon.

[anabolichalo]

Just go and look at women's butts...that will get you thru service---if you don't like the sermon.

yea it gets old tho

only so many butts a man can look at before getting bored

[DroppingPlates]

i would become a devoted christian if it would help me get rich

but apparently it doesnt help christians to become rich

so whats the point basically


i mean it would be easy for an all powerful god to make someone rich

he did it for a lot of guys in the bible


but seems like he doesnt do it for current christians

so maybe he retired

First I LOL'd after reading this, but I'm afraid that you're dead serious here.
Try to be more thankful for what you have, not what you don't have.
In many cases, the happiest people are the ones who live a simple life.

[nzmusclemonster]

My friend once took a dump on the side of a church.

is he going to hell for that?

[Man of Steel]

i would become a devoted christian if it would help me get rich

but apparently it doesnt help christians to become rich

so whats the point basically


i mean it would be easy for an all powerful god to make someone rich

he did it for a lot of guys in the bible


but seems like he doesnt do it for current christians

so maybe he retired

Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.”

[Beefjake]

Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.”

So is " walk it off " a religious figure of speech then?

If God, or J., or whosoever from that family of three, is all that he is supposed to be.

I would gather that it is of no matter wether you choose to go to church on sundays or not.
How you handle yourself thru life, is.

[Mr Nobody]

Again I'm not going to church ever again. Fuck it.