Miserable because I had drunken KFC last night

[OTHstrong]

lmfao. christ bro, your 3 years younger then me running doses 3 times as high. calm that shit down. what the fuck you gonna run when your 35? 10 grams? 

i dont know how the hell you ran 10iu gh. i ran 4iu last summer and my hands were painful as fuck.

come on bro, that ain't crazy, that is average.

[ukjeff]

Yea but I run much less now because I'm not trying to gain size. I usually do 5iu but kicked it up for a couple of months to 10iu to maximize a growth phase. It was horrible though because it made me feel so tired. Right now I'm cruising and only doing 3.33iu gh (1/3 a vial). This summer I'm just doing
210mg test prop
490mg tren ace
700mg mast prop
5iu gh

Mast really isn't much of a health risk so really the only thing there that isn't good for me is the 490mg of tren.

2cc shots a day total right there

I have not gone over 700mg of tren and never will. I won't be giving phil heath a run for his olympia anytime soon so I'm just trying to stay ripped and have solid muscles.

TBH mate I would want to be standing alongside Phil Heath to justify that amount.
To be running that just to look good in the gym is insane.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

try bumping the mast and dropping the tren

some of the top guys at my gym run high dose mast with low dose test

they look awesome

Problem is I often go out to dinner 5 days a week with various people, and I like to order whatever is on the menu. If I dropped the tren, I lose the leverage of staying lean with cheat meals.

[OTHstrong]

TBH mate I would want to be standing alongside Phil Heath to justify that amount.
To be running that just to look good in the gym is insane.

That is because you are naive.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

TBH mate I would want to be standing alongside Phil Heath to justify that amount.
To be running that just to look good in the gym is insane.

Who says I do it to look good in the gym? I do it to look good OUTSIDE the gym. Competing in bodybuilding shows is a poor excuse for someone to abuse drugs, unless they were ifbb pro caliber

Also, those are baby doses. Let's be serious. Masteron doesn't count

[ukjeff]

Also, those are baby doses. Let's be serious. Masteron doesn't count

I keep hearing all these stories about how much guys are taking and TBH I think it must be down to the fact that the gear today is shit.

That is because you are naive.

Maybe so but I managed to compete at a decent level and my precontest use was 750mgs per week total.
In fact I once tried a gram of test and it made me ill, I lasted two weeks.

The only explanation is that todays stuff is shit.

[OTHstrong]

Who says I do it to look good in the gym? I do it to look good OUTSIDE the gym. Competing in bodybuilding shows is a poor excuse for someone to abuse drugs, unless they were ifbb pro caliber

Also, those are baby doses. Let's be serious. Masteron doesn't count

Those are baby doses and UKjeff had a good physique but he was never huge so a statement like his coming from him is like an oxy-moron

[ukjeff]

Those are baby doses and UKjeff had a good physique but he was never huge so a statement like his coming from him is like an oxy-moron

Are you suggesting size equates to dosage?

[OTHstrong]

Are you suggesting size equates to dosage?

of course it does Einstein, wtf are you dumb?

[ukjeff]

of course it does Einstein, wtf are you dumb?

So are you saying the more I take the bigger I will get?
Careful now......

[OTHstrong]

So are you saying the more I take the bigger I will get?
Careful now......

nothing to be careful about,... it is common sense, the more you take the bigger you will get according to your genetic limitations and how fast your body reacts to growing muscles. And if you want to talk about higher doses in the range of diminishing returns, those doses stated above are no where near that point

[Nomad]

No fucking way man...That's some SERIOUS living right there. It's like snorting coke 7 nights a week off a strippers ass

 

ever try doing a line that goes up to her chest?

[ukjeff]

nothing to be careful about,... it is common sense, the more you take the bigger you will get according to your genetic limitations and how fast your body reacts to growing muscles. And if you want to talk about higher doses in the range of diminishing returns, those doses stated above are no where near that point

So how do you explain guys taking a few mgs a week and gaining 20lbs of good tissue and then later taking upwards of 4gms and staying the same?
Most pros dont change for years once they turn pro.
Surely they could carry on growing by simply upping the dosage, thats if your theory is sound.

[OTHstrong]

So how do you explain guys taking a few mgs a week and gaining 20lbs of good tissue and then later taking upwards of 4gms and staying the same?
Most pros dont change for years once they turn pro.
Surely they could carry on growing by simply upping the dosage, thats if your theory is sound.

they don't stay the same, you are talking shit, I have never seen that in my life, ever.  Anyone that goes from 500 mgs a week to 4 grams, as you put it, will get bigger, who ever thinks otherwise is just a sheer imbecile to the highest degree and is a pure shit talker

[Rami]

why didn't you cook some good food yourself instead? KFC is all flavor enhancing, worse quality than dog food.

[ukjeff]

Anyone that goes from 500 mgs a week to 4 grams, as you put it, will get bigger, who ever thinks otherwise is just a sheer imbecile to the highest degree and is a pure shit talker

You missed the point.
If someone takes 25mgs a week for 16 weeks and gains 20lbs of good tissue how much will they gain taking 4gms a week for the same duration.
Roughly?


2008 to 2009

and 2012


Phils hardly changed, why is that?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

So are you saying the more I take the bigger I will get?
Careful now......

Yes, as long as you slowly build your doses up over time.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

why didn't you cook some good food yourself instead? KFC is all flavor enhancing, worse quality than dog food.

You really think this thought crosses my head when I am drunk at 3am leaving a bar?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

You missed the point.
If someone takes 25mgs a week for 16 weeks and gains 20lbs of good tissue how much will they gain taking 4gms a week for the same duration.
Roughly?


2008 to 2009

and 2012


Phils hardly changed, why is that?

He hasn't changed because he probably used the same doses and he is already so huge that his body has an extremely hard time growing anymore. He likely hit his limit

[ukjeff]

Yes, as long as you slowly build your doses up over time.

earlier

Last summer I was eating like complete shit but I was on 700mg tren and 10iu of gh per day (along with 700mg test prop). I looked fucking great no matter what the hell I ate. Problem is all that food was expensive and all that gear + gh was expensive. Not to mention it was a pretty unhealthy summer. But hey, I had a great fucking time

How long did it take you to work up slowly to that?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

earlierHow long did it take you to work up slowly to that?

2 years

[ukjeff]

He hasn't changed because he probably used the same doses and he is already so huge that his body has an extremely hard time growing anymore. He likely hit his limit

He was only training 3 years before he turned pro???
So he must have just gone straight on the dosages he is using now?

[FitnessFrenzy]

[ukjeff]

2 years

Can you remember your first cycle?

[FitnessFrenzy]

Can you remember your first cycle?

I can. never forget..