Miserable because I had drunken KFC last night

[AlphaMaleDawg]

He was only training 3 years before he turned pro???
So he must have just gone straight on the dosages he is using now?

I misread the pics. didn't realize there was a 4 year gap. Yea of course he upped his doses but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

Can you remember your first cycle?

500mg of test prop

[ukjeff]

I can. never forget..

I almost added not the one with "stabilisers"  

[OTHstrong]

You missed the point.
If someone takes 25mgs a week for 16 weeks and gains 20lbs of good tissue how much will they gain taking 4gms a week for the same duration.
Roughly?


2008 to 2009

and 2012


Phils hardly changed, why is that?

You have got to be the biggest retard on the planet, seriously it is astounding how stupid you are,.. why are you making things so complicated, sorry but will not debate this horse shit with you.

you take 500 mg per week and gain muscle until you will no longer gain anymore on that dose then up it to 1000 then 999 out of 1000 people will get bigger, fuck bro don't play dumb and bring up these retarded scenarios, this is common fucken sense, you are the biggest fool on getbig to even argue this.

And why are you showing the 2 best bodybuilders on the planet when they are near human limitation of muscular development, WTF dumbass

[ukjeff]

I misread the pics. didn't realize there was a 4 year gap. Yea of course he upped his doses but I don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The point is he may not have upped his dosage, he may have been on high dosages from day one.

500mg of test prop

Really?
I only took 750mgs a week after 8 years of competing.
My first cycle was 16mgs of Winstrol tabs.
I blew up like a balloon.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

The point is he may not have upped his dosage, he may have been on high dosages from day one.Really?
I only took 750mgs a week after 8 years of competing.
My first cycle was 16mgs of Winstrol tabs.
I blew up like a balloon.

Well good for you. You must have ifbb pro genetics then. Anyone who uses less than 500mg of test is wasting their time being shutdown and seeing barely any progress. I'm trying to play nice but you are testing my generosity here.

[OTHstrong]

The point is he may not have upped his dosage, he may have been on high dosages from day one.Really?
I only took 750mgs a week after 8 years of competing.
My first cycle was 16mgs of Winstrol tabs.
I blew up like a balloon.

8 years of competing and you only managed to get to that size, well duh, no wonder you were taking pansy dosages, had you upped the dose you would have been a heavy weight where someone with your height belongs..

[ukjeff]

you take 500 mg per week and gain muscle until you will no longer gain anymore on that dose then up it to 1000 then 999 out of 1000 people will get bigger, fuck bro don't play dumb and bring up these retarded scenarios, this is common fucken sense, you are the biggest fool on getbig to even argue this.

Maybe "common sense" would tell you to cycle up and down rather than maxing out and then going higher and higher.

[ukjeff]

8 years of competing and you only managed to get to that size, well duh, no wonder you were taking pansy dosages, had you upped the dose you would have been a heavy weight where someone with your height belongs..

Or maybe my genetics wouldnt allow me to gain anymore?
Or doesnt that matter if you keep upping the dose?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Or maybe my genetics wouldnt allow me to gain anymore?
Or doesnt that matter if you keep upping the dose?

If you upped the dose or added compounds, you would have gotten bigger. That is a fact, not a debate.

[ukjeff]

If you upped the dose or added compounds, you would have gotten bigger. That is a fact, not a debate.

So why isnt Phil getting that much bigger?

[OTHstrong]

Maybe "common sense" would tell you to cycle up and down rather than maxing out and then going higher and higher.

lmao, i took two years off cold turkey in 2010 and 2011 and right now I have been off for nearly 6 weeks, taking nothing at all. So what the fuck are you talking about?

When I do get back on once my hamstring heals I will start 1000mg per week for a month, then 2000 for a month, then 3000 from then on

[OTHstrong]

If you upped the dose or added compounds, you would have gotten bigger. That is a fact, not a debate.

^^^^ this is a fact 100%, but you are talking to a bonehead here

[ukjeff]

lmao, i took two years off cold turkey in 2010 and 2011 and right now I have been off for nearly 6 weeks, taking nothing at all. So what the fuck are you talking about?

its not about you, I was generalising.

When I do get back on once my hamstring heals I will start 1000mg per week for a month, then 2000 for a month, then 3000 from then on

...and then I will............?
Nothing.

[OTHstrong]

So why isnt Phil getting that much bigger?

Phil is at the Human limitations for his frame and you are a skinny dude in comparison so why are you comparing yourself to Phil, also his doses are way higher, probably at the highest he can actually benefit from so him upping it may not do anything but anyone taking less then a gram is a whole different ball park

[ukjeff]

^^^^ this is a fact 100%, but you are talking to a bonehead here

Regardless of genetic limitations?
Remember what you said earlier.

it is common sense, the more you take the bigger you will get according to your genetic limitations and how fast your body reacts to growing muscles.

[Thespritz0]

I laughed out loud at this for some reason

Yea fun night, except for the fact I asked my buddy if this chick was single and he said yes...only to find out he was fucking with me and her bf who she lives with was also there. I was hitting on this chick and got straight up rejected when I asked her out for happy hour this week even though she told me I had nice traps. Then he was fucking cracking up.

That is one notch below cockblocking. That douche

^^
Don't worry- when they break-up (which happens) she'll be knocking on your door again... slam it in her face

[ukjeff]

Phil is at the Human limitations for his frame and you are a skinny dude in comparison so why are you comparing yourself to Phil,

Im not, Im generalising.

[OTHstrong]

Regardless of genetic limitations?
Remember what you said earlier.

If your genetics only allow for 750mg to cause you a limit in muscle growth I feel sorry for you bro, worse genetics in the history of mankind.

[ukjeff]

If your genetics only allow for 750mg to cause you a limit in muscle growth I feel sorry for you bro, worse genetics in the history of mankind.

Really, I achieved more than you did on the dosages I used than you ever could.
So now who's got bad genetics?    

oh and why haven't you improved in the last 5 years?

[Hulkotron]

ukjeff giving a masterwork discourse on trolling in this thread

[OTHstrong]

Really, I achieved more than you did on the dosages I used than you ever could.
So now who's got bad genetics?   

You are not on my level bro, don't even go there

[AlphaMaleDawg]

So why isnt Phil getting that much bigger?

He was already huge and competing at the Olympia. It is a hell of a lot easier to grow when you're small than when you're huge. Of course at some point, 4000mg of deca isn't going to make a guy grow that is 260-300lbs of muscle at 5'10 (giving an example. not necessarily Heath) if he was previously taking 3000mg. If you could keep growing, then we would have 500lbs freaks walking around

[Hulkotron]

If you could keep growing, then we would have 500lbs freaks walking around

[ukjeff]

You are not on my level bro, don't even go there

But I would be if I had upped the dosage, it would have been that simple wouldn't it?

Why havent you carried on improving in the last five years with all these grams of gear?
Heres your legs in October 2008

Now, lets have a look now after 4 years of using grams of gear.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

But I would be if I had upped the dosage, it would have been that simple wouldn't it?

Why havent you carried on improving in the last five years with all these grams of gear?
Heres your legs in October 2008

Now, lets have a look now after 4 years of using grams of gear.

You are taking the whole "the more you use, the bigger you are" thing too literally. I mean eventually there is limit. Will 5000mg of test be more effective than 3000mg? Maybe not. But 1g is better than 500mg, and 2g is better than 1g. Eventually when someone becomes huge, they can't grow no matter how much they use at that point.