What specific rights and freedoms have you lost since 9/11? posted by PIP

[OzmO]

Yes, it's quite ironic that we free people must lose our freedom to stop the people who hate our freedom.

Needless to say, there's no end in sight.

Not really.  we have had this discussion.  You can't seem to cite too many significant freedoms lost that the average person has to deal with.  Granted, the Terrorist, did accomplish to change our lives a bit.

BTW:  Been though about 20 TSA scanners with my belt on since we last talked.  Got caught once. The TSA guy and i laughed.  

[avxo]

Not really.  we have had this discussion.  You can't seem to cite too many significant freedoms lost that the average person has to deal with.

Whether you have to deal with it or not isn't the issue. Whether the loss is against the average person or not isn't the issue.

[Dos Equis]

Not really.  we have had this discussion.  You can't seem to cite too many significant freedoms lost that the average person has to deal with.  Granted, the Terrorist, did accomplish to change our lives a bit.

BTW:  Been though about 20 TSA scanners with my belt on since we last talked.  Got caught once. The TSA guy and i laughed.   

Agree.  Having to take off my shoes at the airport is a real pain.  And I detest those stupid scanners.  Other than that, not much has changed in terms of loss of freedom/rights.    

[Jack T. Cross]

Agree.  Having to take off my shoes at the airport is a real pain.  And I detest those stupid scanners.  Other than that, not much has changed in terms of loss of freedom/rights.    

Glad to hear you "don't have anything to hide", Beach Bum.

Now get the fuck out of my country.

[24KT]

Agree.  Having to take off my shoes at the airport is a real pain.  And I detest those stupid scanners.  Other than that, not much has changed in terms of loss of freedom/rights.    

For YOU and OzmO perhaps... A lot of other people may not be able to say the same.

[OzmO]

Whether you have to deal with it or not isn't the issue. Whether the loss is against the average person or not isn't the issue.

Is it?

Laws change all the time.  They have all through out our history.  When basics freedoms are overturned such as the ones in the bill of rights among others they will effect the average joe and there will be a revolution as a result.  If I can't wear a belt through a scanner which i do repeatedly, i ain't tripping. There are some that cause concern for me.  But not enough to claim we are no longer a freedom country.

[Dos Equis]

Glad to hear you "don't have anything to hide", Beach Bum.

Now get the fuck out of my country.

Ok.  I will.  But I'll be back.  

Can you answer Ozmo's question about specific rights and freedoms you have lost since 9/11?  

[OzmO]

For YOU and OzmO perhaps... A lot of other people may not be able to say the same.

Like who?

[24KT]

Glad to hear you "don't have anything to hide", Beach Bum.

Now get the fuck out of my country.

Hahaha!  

[Dos Equis]

For YOU and OzmO perhaps... A lot of other people may not be able to say the same.

Actually we're both a pretty good measure because we both travel a lot.  

[Jack T. Cross]

Whether you have to deal with it or not isn't the issue. Whether the loss is against the average person or not isn't the issue.

I don't have the mindset for the Twilight Zone at the moment, so I thank you for responding, bro.

[Jack T. Cross]

Ok.  I will.  But I'll be back.  

Can you answer Ozmo's question about specific rights and freedoms you have lost since 9/11?  

I can no longer expect privacy in my communications.  Can you, "Beach Bum"?

[OzmO]

Oh Jack, forgot to tell you:  BS-ed my way through the premium security line in Salt Lake City in February.  

[24KT]

Like who?

Like members of certain religions

[Jack T. Cross]

Oh Jack, forgot to tell you:  BS-ed my way through the premium security line in Salt Lake City in February.  

You're quite the game-player, OzmO.  I'll give you that.  Inconsistent, too.

[Dos Equis]

I can no longer expect privacy in my communications.  Can you, "Beach Bum"?

What specific communications are you talking about, "Jack T. Cross"?

[OzmO]

Like members of certain religions

Such as?  And how so?

[Jack T. Cross]

What specific communications are you talking about, "Jack T. Cross"?

My communications.

[OzmO]

You're quite the game-player, OzmO.  I'll give you that.  Inconsistent, too.

How I am inconsistent?

Oh, I was stuck at this one airport and they brought Pizzas for everyone, but they had to put each pizza through the x-ray machine.  Priceless.  Dam Pizzas don't even have rights anymore lol

[Dos Equis]

Oh Jack, forgot to tell you:  BS-ed my way through the premium security line in Salt Lake City in February.  

You know what else I've had to do?  Take off my watch, because it has GPS.  Sets off the bells.  I am outraged.  

[Dos Equis]

My communications.

Which ones?  Phone, e-mail, letter?  And to whom? 

[Jack T. Cross]

Which ones?  Phone, e-mail, letter?  And to whom? 

My communications. 

Are you having difficulties with understanding that, Beach Bum?

You're not getting off this hook.

[OzmO]

My communications. 

Are you having difficulties with understanding that, Beach Bum?

You're not getting off this hook.

he's asking for specifics, can't you answer? 

[Dos Equis]

My communications. 

Are you having difficulties with understanding that, Beach Bum?

You're not getting off this hook.

Which communications?  Phone, e-mail, letter?  And to whom?  

[Jack T. Cross]

My communications. 

You'll have to reveal where you stand, one way or another.  So come out and say it.