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« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2013, 06:14:01 PM »

Now that was funny ..I'll give ya that!
and truthful...

the police may face the threat more often but that doesnt mean those ppl in boston didnt face the same threat at that time.

Ive seen more than one person shot or stabbed. My brother lived with some friends that got killed in a home invasion while their kids were asleep in their rooms, luckily he wasnt home at the time.

Dont sit there and act like civilians dont face the same threats even worse, police generally know what they are going into while civilians are the ones who get suprised.
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« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2013, 06:40:23 PM »

and truthful...

the police may face the threat more often but that doesnt mean those ppl in boston didnt face the same threat at that time.

Ive seen more than one person shot or stabbed. My brother lived with some friends that got killed in a home invasion while their kids were asleep in their rooms, luckily he wasnt home at the time.

Dont sit there and act like civilians dont face the same threats even worse, police generally know what they are going into while civilians are the ones who get suprised.

Wait, you didn't know that the Police are the only people who should be armed?

How about when you aren't on duty? Do you carry your gun? Why is that Agnostic?
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« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2013, 07:16:04 PM »

Wait, you didn't know that the Police are the only people who should be armed?

How about when you aren't on duty? Do you carry your gun? Why is that Agnostic?



I can tell you my brother usually doesn't except when he's in the city limits and then he's required to (I think it's the city limits, but don't quote me on that).


I think that one probably varies with the cop.
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« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2013, 07:17:37 PM »



I can tell you my brother usually doesn't except when he's in the city limits and then he's required to (I think it's the city limits, but don't quote me on that).


I think that one probably varies with the cop.

I don't know too many cops who do not carry off duty. In Virginia it's part of the perk of the badge. It gives them the ability to carry concealed throughout the entire state while off-duty.
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« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2013, 07:46:46 AM »

My argument isn't that citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed. In fact, sane, law abiding citizens who receive training should be able to carry a firearm. In almost every case the threat to the average citizen can be addressed with automatic pistol or shotgun. rarely will the average citizen need to take a long range shot, or have the need to be able to penetrate body armor. The weaponry of the police and the weaponry of the average joe does not need to be equal as they are different ..
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« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2013, 10:54:18 AM »

My argument isn't that citizens shouldn't be allowed to be armed. In fact, sane, law abiding citizens who receive training should be able to carry a firearm. In almost every case the threat to the average citizen can be addressed with automatic pistol or shotgun. rarely will the average citizen need to take a long range shot, or have the need to be able to penetrate body armor. The weaponry of the police and the weaponry of the average joe does not need to be equal as they are different ..

Why? You do realize what the 2nd amendment is for, right?
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« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2013, 10:55:34 AM »

Why? You do realize what the 2nd amendment is for, right?

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« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2013, 01:17:06 PM »

Boston Bombing Suspects, Tzarnaev Brothers, Had One Gun During Shootout With Police: Officials


By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and ADAM GOLDMAN 04/24/13 01:05 PM ET EDT


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WASHINGTON -- Two U.S. officials say investigators in the Boston bombings have recovered only one handgun believed to have been used in a gun battle with police.

One official said the serial number on what they described as a 9 mm pistol was scratched off. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation still in progress.

Tamerlan Tzarnaev (TA'-mehr-luhn tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) died in a shootout with police. His brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR'), was later caught hiding in a boat.

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis says over 250 rounds were fired in the shootout. Police said the men also used explosives. Davis said shots were fired from the boat where Tsarnaev was found. It wasn't clear whether he was armed when he was captured.








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« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2013, 01:35:11 PM »

Boston Bombing Suspects, Tzarnaev Brothers, Had One Gun During Shootout With Police: Officials


By ALICIA A. CALDWELL and ADAM GOLDMAN 04/24/13 01:05 PM ET EDT


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WASHINGTON -- Two U.S. officials say investigators in the Boston bombings have recovered only one handgun believed to have been used in a gun battle with police.

One official said the serial number on what they described as a 9 mm pistol was scratched off. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation still in progress.

Tamerlan Tzarnaev (TA'-mehr-luhn tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) died in a shootout with police. His brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR'), was later caught hiding in a boat.

Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis says over 250 rounds were fired in the shootout. Police said the men also used explosives. Davis said shots were fired from the boat where Tsarnaev was found. It wasn't clear whether he was armed when he was captured.








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« Reply #84 on: April 24, 2013, 01:43:38 PM »

What is a total fail 333?

Shutting down an entire city for one douchebag w one gun and sending in a small army?  GMAFB
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« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2013, 01:48:05 PM »

Shutting down an entire city for one douchebag w one gun and sending in a small army?  GMAFB

again follow along, at the time they didn't know what they had,for all they knew they still had bombs,but again lets not let facts get in the way
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« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2013, 02:04:58 PM »

again follow along, at the time they didn't know what they had,for all they knew they still had bombs,but again lets not let facts get in the way

Yes they did.  after the shootout w the two and the one dead on the street - they knew this was not some terrorist stike team.

The cops look like complete asses and if it was not for the boat owner smoking a cig after the lock down was lifted - they would never have found this guy intil he bled out dead in the boat. 

Hhhhoorraayyyyyy police state.   
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« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2013, 02:10:58 PM »

Yes they did.  after the shootout w the two and the one dead on the street - they knew this was not some terrorist stike team.

The cops look like complete asses and if it was not for the boat owner smoking a cig after the lock down was lifted - they would never have found this guy intil he bled out dead in the boat.  

Hhhhoorraayyyyyy police state.  

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« Reply #88 on: April 24, 2013, 05:58:38 PM »

For hunting ducks? 



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« Reply #89 on: April 24, 2013, 06:21:37 PM »

Officials: Boston suspect had no firearm when barrage of bullets hit hiding place
By Sari Horwitz and Peter Finn, Updated: Wednesday, April 24, 7:08 PM


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Although police feared he was heavily armed, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings had no firearms when he came under a barrage of police gunfire that struck the boat where he was hiding, according to multiple federal law enforcement officials.

Authorities said they were desperate to capture Dzhokhar Tsarnaev so he could be questioned. The FBI, however, declined to discuss what triggered the gunfire.

Other law enforcement officials said the shooting may have been prompted by the chaos of the moment and some action that led the officers present to believe Tsarnaev had fired a weapon or was about to detonate explosives.

These new details emerged as investigators continued their examination of the movements and motives of Tsarnaev, 19, and his brother, Tamerlan, in last week’s coordinated bombing, which killed three people and wounded more than 250.

Law enforcement officials said they do not believe the brothers were connected with a terrorist organization, but they cautioned that the inquiry is at an early stage.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, was killed in a confrontation with police in the early morning hours Friday, four days after the marathon bombings. A transit police officer was seriously wounded in the exchange, in which more than 200 rounds were fired and the suspects lobbed homemade explosives at police. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev escaped and was the subject of a massive manhunt. He was cornered hiding in a boat in the driveway of a house in Watertown, Mass., on Friday evening.

Law enforcement officials described the 30 minutes before the arrest of Tsarnaev as chaotic. One characterized it as “the fog of war” and said that in a highly charged atmosphere, one accidental shot could have caused what police call “contagious fire.”

Officers from several agencies gathered around the Watertown house as darkness fell. The FBI was in charge of the scene, but there also were officers from the Massachusetts State Police, local police and transit police.

“They probably didn’t know whether he had a gun,” said one law enforcement official, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. “Hours earlier he and his brother had killed a police officer, shot another officer and thrown explosives out of their cars as the police were chasing them. They couldn’t assume that he did not have a gun and more explosives.”

The FBI declined to discuss the exact sequence of events that led officers to open fire on Tsarnaev’s hiding place and whether the dozens of bullets that struck the boat caused any of his gunshot wounds.

A spokesman for the FBI said law enforcement agents were tracking an extremely dangerous suspect who had used guns and explosives on a public street to avoid arrest.

“Law enforcement was placed in an extraordinarily dangerous situation,” said FBI spokesman Paul Bresson. “They were dealing with an individual who is alleged to have been involved in the bombings at the Boston Marathon. As if that’s not enough, there were indications of a carjacking, gunfire, an ambushed police officer and bombs thrown earlier. In spite of these extraordinary factors, they were able to capture this individual alive with no further harm to law enforcement. It was a tremendously effective outcome under dire circumstances.”

 Early Friday in Watertown, the brothers engaged in a firefight with police. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot and fell to the ground, according to police and photos, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev climbed back in a Mercedes SUV carjacked earlier. He drove at police and struck his wounded brother on the street. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was dragged a distance by the car, was declared dead on arrival at a Boston hospital.

A criminal complaint filed in federal court in Massachusetts on Monday to support charges against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said police recovered a single firearm and half a dozen explosives and homemade bombs from the scene of the shootout.

In the ensuing chaos, Tsarnaev accelerated away, abandoned the car and eventually made it on foot just beyond a cordon quickly set up by police. Around 6 p.m. Friday, Tsarnaev was detected hiding beneath a plastic cover on a boat by its owner, who called in police. A thermal imaging unit in a police helicopter confirmed a presence in the boat.

“You can’t second-guess what they were doing on that scene,” said a second law enforcement official. “Their own lives were in danger.”

In the immediate aftermath of Tsarnaev’s capture, police officials said he had fired from the boat and he was reported to have been captured with several weapons. There were also reports that the gunshot wound he suffered to the throat might have been an attempt to kill himself as police moved in.

Tsarnaev continues to be treated in a Boston hospital, where his condition has been upgraded from critical to fair. He began communicating in writing and some speech with a special team of FBI interrogators Saturday night and was officially charged Monday.

On Wednesday, Vice President Biden eulogized Sean Collier, the slain MIT police officer, and denounced Tsarnaev and his dead brother as “two twisted, perverted, cowardly knock-off jihadis.”

Thousands of MIT students and police officers from across the United States attended a memorial service on the grounds of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to remember the 27-year-old police officer.



Jenna Johnson in Boston and David Montgomery and Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.


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« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2013, 06:06:18 AM »

Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown - despite police account of firefight and him 'shooting himself'

 Officials now claim that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was unarmed as he hid in boat in Watertown
 Contradicts Boston Police Commissioner's account of hour-long firefight with Tsarnaev

 New York Times said M4 rifle had been found on boat

Police sources suggested Tsarnaev shot himself onboard

 
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PUBLISHED:20:53 EST, 24 April 2013| UPDATED: 03:23 EST, 25 April 2013
 
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Two unnamed U.S. officials have told the Associated Press that the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard.
 
The report contradicts the Boston police department's own account of Dzhokar Tsarnaev's capture on Friday - after commissioner Ed Davies described a firefight between him and officers before the terror suspect was captured.


The New York Times also said an M4 rifle had been found on the boat - another claim contradicted by the latest revelations.

 
Officers had originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Tsarnaev for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.
 
But on Wednesday, the law enforcement officials told the AP that no gun was found aboard the vessel.
 
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Hidden: Authorities say that Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was not armed as he hid in this boat in a Watertown, Massachusetts backyard

 


Hideout: Dzhokhar was found hiding in this boat in Watertown on Friday following a massive manhunt


Apprehended: Dzhokhar is searched and given medical attention after he is found hiding on Friday evening
 
It also contradicts many media accounts of Tsarnaev's final moments of freedom.


The New York Timesreported that an M-4 carbine rifle - similar to the weapon used by American troops fighting in Afghanistan - was found aboard the boat and that officials had recovered two handguns and a bb gun used by the two brothers.
 
The throat wound sustained by Tsaernev was also said by numerous law enforcement sources to be self inflicted.

Sources told Newsday that Tsarnaev's bullet wound looked to be self-inflicted, due to the location of Tsarnaev's wound and the trajectory of the bullet.
 
 

And Reuters reported that the suspect was shot through the mouth by a round that exited through his neck.


Dozens of bullet holes were seen on the exterior of the boat in photos taken shortly after the final standoff in the Watertown backyard.
 
The officials told the AP that say investigators only recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev's brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer.
 





Thermal imaging shows Dzhokhar's final moments before arrest
 






Trawl: On Monday, a police forensics team examined the boat where Dzhokhar was found hiding
 



Scene: He was found cowering in the boat after its owner realized its straps had moved on Friday evening
 
Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.
 
The officials tell The Associated Press that no gun was found in the boat.
 
Investigators have said the brothers appeared to have been radicalized through jihadist materials on the Internet and have found no evidence tying them to a terrorist group.
 
Dzhokhar told the FBI that they were angry about the U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the killing of Muslims there, officials said.
 
How much of those conversations will end up in court is unclear.



Rip: An FBI officer stands in front of the boat where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, was hiding inside
 
The FBI normally tells suspects they have the right to remain silent before questioning them so all their statements can be used against them.
 
Under pressure from Congress, however, the Department of Justice has said investigators may wait until they have gathered intelligence about other threats before reading those rights in terrorism cases.
 
The American Civil Liberties Union has expressed concern about that.
 
Regardless, investigators have found pieces of remote-control equipment among the debris and were analyzing them, officials said.


One official described the detonator as 'close-controlled,' meaning it had to be triggered within several blocks of the bombs.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown--despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html#ixzz2RToolYox


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« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2013, 08:07:36 AM »

this story just gets fckin better and better, doesn't it?   lol
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« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2013, 08:10:19 AM »

this story just gets fckin better and better, doesn't it?   lol

Yup.  Imagine if the cops faced armed terrorists for real?  Geeezzzz
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« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2013, 09:37:07 AM »

apples to apples, the police, by the very nature of their job faces greater threats than the average joe. I still can't believe I'm even having to argue this  Roll Eyes

The 2nd amendment isn't there so people can protect themselves from the local crackhead who may want to do a B&E, although it helps, ...it's there so people can protect themselves and their Republic from some would be dictator or invading army (whether foreign or domestic). The people should have the right to match whatever force or firepower may exist in the hands of the very armies that more than likely will be employed to oppress them and destroy their Republic.
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« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2013, 10:09:37 AM »

The 2nd amendment isn't there so people can protect themselves from the local crackhead who may want to do a B&E, although it helps, ...it's there so people can protect themselves and their Republic from some would be dictator or invading army (whether foreign or domestic). The people should have the right to match whatever force or firepower may exist in the hands of the very armies that more than likely will be employed to oppress them and destroy their Republic.

Your logic implies every Tom Dick and Harry should be able to own tanks, rocket launchers, land mines, fighter jets and m 50 cal machine guns. Thats about as logical as buying gold implanted on a credit card.
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« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2013, 10:43:53 AM »

Your logic implies every Tom Dick and Harry should be able to own tanks, rocket launchers, land mines, fighter jets and m 50 cal machine guns. Thats about as logical as buying gold implanted on a credit card.

You think the people who drive tanks, have rocket launchers, and fly jets are more trustworthy than I am?

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« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2013, 10:54:08 AM »

This entire episode provided so much intel for potential terrorists of what they can get away with.  An entire city shut down, a batallion of cops dressed like Spec Ops -

All kept at bay by two welfare thugs w a pistol.   SMFH 
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« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2013, 11:10:42 AM »

Why bother actually buying weapons and explosives. Just figure a way to scare authorities and then shut shit down. I think this sets a bad example.
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« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2013, 01:44:32 PM »

This entire episode provided so much intel for potential terrorists of what they can get away with.  An entire city shut down, a batallion of cops dressed like Spec Ops -

All kept at bay by two welfare thugs w a pistol.   SMFH 

Notice how you minimize the suspects... does that bother you at all? 
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« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2013, 01:45:37 PM »

Notice how you minimize the suspects... does that bother you at all? 

No - im being accurate about these two shit heads  - who the FBI knew about two years ago.  Dumb and dumber did not even have an escape plan. 
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