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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #350 on: January 08, 2018, 09:43:57 AM »
Dummies.  Of course they will.  They cannot run on ideas.  They have been intellectually bankrupt for years. 

Will Democrats run on impeachment in 2018 midterms? Don't count it out
By Fred Lucas | Fox News

If Democrats take back the House in 2018, they will likely face pressure from base to impeach President Trump; reaction and analysis from RNC spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany and DNC Vice Chairman Michael Blake.

After months of shying away from the toxic topic, Democrats increasingly are embracing political rhetoric that flirts with the impeachment of President Trump – signaling a strategy that could work its way into the mainstream in the 2018 midterms.

From the base, the party sees encouragement. A petition with 4 million signatures demanding Trump’s impeachment and a survey showing 70 percent of Democrats backing at least hearings on the matter could nudge Democrats further into the impeachment camp in the new year.

The publication of the “Fire and Fury” tell-all, meanwhile, has only emboldened Trump’s critics, by seeming to raise questions about his stability – which the president openly confronted in a weekend tweet-storm declaring he is a “very stable genius.”

Democrats must win 24 House seats and two Senate seats to regain control of Congress in 2018, but have a historically tough time motivating their voters in non-presidential years.

'Smart Democrats know it’s a dumb idea.'

- legal commentator Andrew McCarthy, on impeachment push
Neil Sroka, spokesman for Democracy for America, a liberal activist group that endorses and raises money for Democratic candidates, claimed the impeachment push has public support.

“Democrats should run on an inclusive, populist agenda of free college and paid family leave, but shouldn’t shy away from supporting impeachment,” Sroka told Fox News.

HOUSE REJECTS TRUMP IMPEACHMENT RESOLUTION

“Millions of people around the country support impeaching the president. Democratic candidates in deep blue districts can and should be for impeachment,” Sroka continued. “It would be politically stupid for any Democrat to come out against impeachment.”

Last month, 58 House Democrats voted to bring an impeachment resolution up for debate. While party leadership has publicly shunned the idea, Democrats recently tapped Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York to be ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, replacing disgraced ex-Rep. John Conyers. Washington Post columnist Paul Kane described the choice as a move “to ready themselves for a battle with President Trump that could end with impeachment proceedings,” given Nadler’s expertise in constitutional law.

Rep. Al Green (D-TX), accompanied by Rep. Brad Sherman (D-CA), speaks with the media about his plans to draft articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., U.S., June 7, 2017.  REUTERS/Aaron P. Bernstein     TPX IMAGES OF THE DAY - RTX39IQG
Reps. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., and Al Green, D-Texas, were the first to introduce an impeachment resolution in July.  (Reuters)

Some impeachment advocates say it doesn’t matter that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia isn’t complete.

In November, Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., and four other Democrats introduced five articles of impeachment against Trump. Reps. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., and Al Green, D-Texas, were the first to introduce an impeachment resolution in July, alleging obstruction of justice in the Russia investigation. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., ended one speech last year with an "impeach 45" chant.

Even Sherman, though, expressed caution against making impeachment a campaign issue.

“This is a matter of constitutional principal, not politics,” Sherman told Fox News. “Members should look at the actions of the president and determine whether they believe he obstructed justice or committed other acts warranting impeachment. … Talk of impeachment has already had an effect. Imagine how President Trump would behave if he thought there was absolutely no risk of impeachment. We need not wait until all the various investigations give us a complete catalog of all of Trump’s wrongdoings.”

The publication last week of Michael Wolff’s “Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House” fueled the impeachment fever.

Liberal billionaire Tom Steyer, who has spent $20 million to promote impeachment, sent a copy of the Wolff book to all 535 members of Congress. Steyer’s NeedToImpeach.com petition collected 4.1 million signatures. He told a California radio station KQED Friday: “It is an open-and-shut case, that he has met the criteria for impeachment. We're supportive of the Mueller investigation, he is investigating two out of the nine criteria that this president has met.”

Steyer has said in TV ads that past presidents have been impeached for lesser crimes.

But where Trump critics see an “open-and-shut” case, others see a major pitfall for the party.

“Steyer’s assumption is that Trump committed espionage with Putin. If proven, he would be quite right, but it hasn’t been proven,” conservative legal commentator and author Andrew McCarthy told Fox News. “The country will not broadly find it attractive if there is a lack of evidence. Fair-minded people will not want to impeach. Smart Democrats know it’s a dumb idea.”

McCarthy nevertheless believes Democrats will feel pressure from a rabid base to run on impeachment, and some members could fear a primary if they aren’t on board.

“The base can make Democrats do politically stupid things,” said McCarthy, former chief assistant U.S. attorney in New York. “If the Democrats’ front and center issue is impeachment, they will not win in the midterms. It would be a bad strategy to run on.”

A Wall Street Journal-NBC poll last month found 41 percent of Americans want Congress to hold impeachment hearings. Of that, 70 percent of Democrats, 40 percent of independents and 7 percent of Republicans back a House inquiry.

Only Presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were impeached in the House, where it takes just a majority, and both were acquitted in the Senate, where it takes a two-thirds supermajority to remove. Clinton’s 1998 impeachment was for perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with the Monica Lewinsky scandal, while Johnson’s 1868 impeachment was about violating the Tenure of Office Act after he fired War Secretary Edwin Stanton. President Richard Nixon resigned after the House Judiciary Committee approved articles of impeachment over Watergate, to avoid impeachment and removal. Article II of the Constitution says impeachment can be based on "treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors."

“Many Democrats will want to impeach Trump even if they don’t have anywhere near the numbers in the Senate,” McCarthy said. “That’s in part because they hate Trump and in part because they’re still sore about the Clinton impeachment 20 years ago.”

But Sroka is taking a just-you-wait approach on the Senate numbers.

“We’ll see what two-thirds looks like,” Sroka said. “Given the range of impeachment-worthy offenses by Donald Trump, it’s difficult to compare with what Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton over, or what Andrew Johnson was impeached for.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/08/will-democrats-run-on-impeachment-in-2018-midterms-dont-count-it-out.html

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #351 on: January 19, 2018, 08:45:08 PM »
House rejects Democratic effort to impeach Trump as shutdown looms
BY CRISTINA MARCOS - 01/19/18

The House on Friday once again rejected an effort by Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) to impeach President Trump, in a sign of inflamed partisan tensions ahead of a midnight deadline to avoid a government shutdown.

Green, who has agitated for Trump’s impeachment for months, forced a procedural vote on articles of impeachment following Trump’s Oval Office comments last week describing some nations as “shithole countries” while expressing a preference for immigrants from places like Norway.

It failed by a 355-66 vote, with three Democrats voting "present."

Trump made the comments during a meeting with members of Congress about a potential deal to shield young immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally from deportation while enhancing border security. Those talks have been in limbo since that meeting, which in turn has led to an impasse over keeping the government open.

Green previously forced a vote on articles of impeachment last month, which failed due to most Democrats joining with Republicans to table it. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) both oppose calling for impeachment at this point, citing the ongoing investigations of whether the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government during the 2016 presidential election.

Eight more Democrats voted in favor of impeaching Trump than a month ago, demonstrating the growing support on the left for pushing Trump out of office.

A total of 58 Democrats voted in favor of impeachment in December, primarily the most liberal lawmakers and fellow members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC).

Green’s latest articles of impeachment are similar to those he offered last month but updated with Trump’s “shithole” comment from last week.

Trump, Green alleges in the articles of impeachment, has “brought the high office of president of the United States in contempt, ridicule, disgrace and disrepute” and “has sown discord among the people of the United States.”

Aside from the latest controversy from Trump’s immigration meeting, the articles of impeachment cite Trump’s travel ban, push to prevent transgender people from serving in the military, attempts to cast equal blame on white supremacists and counter-protesters for violence in Charlottesville, Va., and attacks on NFL players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality.

Most Democrats aren’t ready to support impeachment out of concerns that it would be premature.

Instead, Democratic leaders are endorsing an effort from members of the CBC and House Judiciary Committee to censure Trump for describing Haiti, El Salvador and African nations as “shithole countries.”

The censure resolution, unveiled Thursday, calls on Trump to apologize for remarks it describes as “hateful, discriminatory and racist, and cannot and should not be the basis of any American policy.”

CBC Chairman Cedric Richmond (D-La.) said that Democrats may try to force a vote on the censure resolution if GOP leaders don’t bring it up for consideration on the floor.

Some Republicans have joined with Democrats in criticizing Trump for the comments. Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) used milder language than Democrats, saying that Trump’s remarks were “very unfortunate” and “unhelpful.”

Despite breaking with Trump over the comments, GOP leaders are highly unlikely to support efforts to censure him.

Democrats also introduced a resolution to censure Trump over his handling of the Charlottesville violence, but Republicans similarly dismissed it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/369730-house-rejects-democratic-effort-to-impeach-trump-as-shutdown-looms

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #352 on: April 09, 2018, 02:22:14 PM »
Media Pretending Democrats Don’t Want To Impeach Trump
JOE SIMONSON
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04/09/2018

Republicans around the country are warning voters that if Democrats win the House in 2018, it’s all but guaranteed they’ll impeach President Donald Trump — many in the media are treating it like a cynical political ploy.

Enter Esquire’s Charles P. Pierce, who called impeachment “the Republicans’ latest boogeyman for the 2018 elections.”

“So, when you hear Republican strategists talking about how the Democratic candidates are slavering at the chance to impeach this president*, know that these low moans are strategic in their purpose, disingenuous in their history, and almost utterly dishonest about the state of play in the 2018 midterm elections. Republicans create phantoms like this all the time to frighten their base voters,” Pierce wrote.

Pierce can’t find “a single Democratic candidate who is running specifically” on the issue of impeachment, he noted.

It’s unclear what exactly he’s talking about, considering Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz challenger Beto O’Rourke’s comments Monday suggested he’d like to see the president impeached.

Michigan Democratic primary candidate Rashida Tlaib made “impeachment” her “calling card,” according to an April 4 article in The Hill.

But let’s assume Pierce is technically right. After all, the Democratic Party has been hesitant in encouraging its candidates to run campaigns dedicated solely to opposing Trump. Even Obama presidential campaign chief strategist David Axelrod cautioned Democrats against running on an impeachment platform.

But don’t let that rhetorical sleight of hand fool you.

Beyond all the headlines acting like the GOP is manipulating its voters, like The New York Times’ decision to say Republicans “seize” on impeachment fears, is the Democrats’ real desire to bring charges against the president.

California Democratic Rep. Brad Sherman introduced articles of impeachment against Trump in July 2017.

“Donald John Trump has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States,” Sherman wrote.

And he wasn’t the first. Six other Democratic House members introduced their own bill in November 2017 to impeach Trump, claiming he had “violated federal law, the public trust and should be charged with high crimes and misdemeanors,” according to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s Robert Donachie.

This isn’t the work of some rogue congressmen either: by January 2017, over a third of House Democrats — 66 — voted for impeachment proceedings.

Progressive activist groups and donors are going all in on impeachment as well. Anyone living in the New York City or Washington, D.C., areas has probably seen billionaire Tom Steyer’s pleads for Trump’s removals.

A majority of Americans don’t want to see Trump impeached, while Democrats do. Seven-in-10 Democrats want to see Congress bring up the vote, according to a December 2017 poll.

Some boogeyman.

Despite all the political nastiness that accompanied former President Bill Clinton’s impeachment, it’s hard not to think such a period was incredibly civil compared to now.

Considering many Democratic and liberal pundits have a hard time even acknowledging Trump won the election fairly, the idea the GOP is simply contriving the impeachment threat is laughable. Remember, Hillary Clinton has repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of Trump’s victory.

The Democratic party’s entire message since Trump was inaugurated has been “#Resist.” After they vote to repeal 2017’s tax cuts, what would be a grander act of resistance than kicking Trump out of office?

http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/09/esquire-trump-impeachment/

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #353 on: April 25, 2018, 06:33:30 PM »
Maxine Waters to Trump: ‘Please Resign’ so I Don’t Have to Impeach You
by KATHERINE RODRIGUEZ
25 Apr 2018

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), in an interview at the Time 100 Gala on Tuesday, said her advice to President Trump is to “please resign.”
The interviewer asked Waters if she had any advice for the president, and the California Democrat did not mince words.

“Please resign,” said Waters, one of Trump’s most vocal critics, after being honored at the Time 100 Gala in New York. “So that I won’t have to keep up this fight of your having impeached because I don’t think you deserve to be there. Just get out.”

Waters made the 2018 list of Time 100’s “most influential people” along with the anti-gun Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student activists, the Daily Show’s Trevor Noah, and Trump himself.

Actress Yara Shahidi wrote the tribute to Waters, praising her for leading the movement to “impeach” Trump.

“She is adored and admired by people who care about social justice and is oh so eloquent in letting the world, particularly the white men of Congress who dare test her acumen, know that she is not here for any nonsense,” Shahidi wrote.

Waters has made it a point as a congresswoman to criticize Trump or call for his resignation or impeachment.

In an interview with Bloomberg in November 2017, she said she “inspires” people by calling for Trump’s impeachment.

Waters has even resorted to personal attacks, calling the president a “racist” when she appeared on BET in February to give her response to Trump’s State of the Union address.

She also declined to attend this year’s State of the Union to protest Trump’s “character flaw.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/25/waters-trump-please-resign-dont-impeach/

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #354 on: May 15, 2018, 11:19:57 AM »
Sane, lucid comments from Pelosi??   :o

Dem blasts Pelosi for ‘trivializing’ impeachment
BY MIKE LILLIS - 05/14/18

The Democratic lawmaker leading the impeachment charge against President Trump went after House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday for “trivializing” the effort.

Pelosi and Democratic leaders have sought to tamp down the small impeachment push within their ranks, arguing the president hasn’t done anything to merit such a weighty response. Pelosi, a frequent critic of the president, said last week that “being a jerk” doesn’t rise to the level of seeking his ouster.

But Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who introduced articles of impeachment last year accusing the president of inciting racial divisions, suggested it’s his patriotic duty to stand up to the president, despite leadership’s wishes.

“It is regrettable that Leader Pelosi would trivialize President Trump’s hateful discrimination against Jews, Latinos, Blacks, Women, and the LGBTQ community by reducing the president’s harmful bigotry to his ‘being a jerk,’ ” Green said Monday in a brief statement.

“Love for my country will not permit me to allow the president’s bigotry to be trivialized and minimized.”

The impeachment issue has divided Democrats since Trump took office, pitting a handful of liberals against party leaders who fear the issue could spark a political backlash at the polls in November when they’re hoping to win back the House. Pelosi has discouraged such talk, calling it “a gift” to Republicans in the midterms.

She’s putting a damper on the impeachment effort while awaiting the outcome of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into whether the Trump campaign helped Russia swing the election against Democrat Hillary Clinton. Pushing to oust Trump beforehand, she’s said, risks politicizing the probe and undermining its conclusions.

“Impeachment is a distraction,” Pelosi said last week. “I’m not walking away from impeachment for political reasons, and I’m not walking toward it for political reasons. I just think it’s divisive.”

Meeting with The Dallas Morning News's editorial board on Friday, Pelosi amplified her position, arguing for Democrats to focus instead on the party’s economic message heading into the elections.

"We have elections. Go vote if it's a policy thing and a behavior thing,” she said. “I don't know if you can get impeached for being a jerk, but if we did, this guy would be long gone. But that's not unifying."

Pelosi went on to praise Green as “a wonderful person,” but warned against the political fallout if Democrats train their sights on Trump in lieu of bread-and-butter economic issues.

“It’s a total gift to the Republicans,” she said. “What people want to know is, what are you doing to help me in my life? How I’m going to educate my kids or pay the rent or mortgage, medical bills and the rest of that? They think it’s an excuse not to have solutions by talking about the rest of these other things.”

Her position has done little to dissuade Green, whose impeachment articles say Trump has “brought disrepute, contempt, ridicule and disgrace on the presidency” and “sown discord among the people of the United States.”

Among a litany of examples, he cites Trump’s criticism of the NFL players kneeling during the national anthem to protest police brutality and his equivocal response to last summer’s violent white supremacist marches in Charlottesville, Va.

Green has already forced two floor votes on the issue. The first, in December, was supported by 58 Democrats. The number rose to 66 in the second vote in January — a bump attributed to Trump’s reported derogatory comments about African nations, Haiti and El Salvador made just a week before.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/387587-dem-blasts-pelosi-for-trivializing-impeachment

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #355 on: May 15, 2018, 11:26:34 AM »
Bunch of mental patients

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« Reply #356 on: May 16, 2018, 04:28:07 AM »
Anyone interested in running for public office these days is mentally unbalanced, IMO. Incumbents are even more deluded when they seek reelection.

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« Reply #357 on: May 22, 2018, 05:39:07 PM »
AL GREEN: DEMOCRATS WILL IMPEACH TRUMP IF WE RETAKE THE HOUSE
‘Every member of the House is accorded the opportunity to bring up impeachment’
May 22, 2018 

If Americans give the House of Representatives back to the Democratic Party this November, one of first things that will happen is the impeachment of President Trump, Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) said Tuesday.

"There’s a good likelihood there will be articles of impeachment” brought against Trump, Rep. Green said. “Here is a point that I think is salient, and one that ought to be referenced. Every member of the House is accorded the opportunity to bring up impeachment. This is not something the Constitution has bestowed upon leadership. It’s something every member has the right and privilege of doing.”

Rep. Green, who has been one of the most vocal proponents of impeaching Trump, made the comments during an appearance on CSPAN.

Here's a transcript:

ECHEVARRIA: “If Democrats take back the House in November, what is the likelihood that Speaker Nancy Pelosi bring up an impeachment charge?”

GREEN: “I’ll let Speaker Pelosi address her actions. But here is a point that I think is salient and one that ought to be referenced. Every member of the House is accorded the opportunity to bring up impeachment. This is not something that the Constitution has bestowed upon leadership. It is something that every member has the right and privilege of doing. I am not sure that there will be members who are going to wait for someone else if that someone else, doesn’t matter who it is, is declining to do it. We can all do it. And I think there is a good likelihood there will be Articles of Impeachment.”

ECHEVARRIA: “Have you heard directly from the Minority Leader about these efforts of yours, specifically asking you to stop or hold back? Anything along that line?”

GREEN: “Well, I don’t think you have to ask me what I’ve heard. If you have read publications, it is intuitively obvious to perhaps even the most casual observer that she and I are in different places on this. I respect her position.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-al-green-democrats-will-impeach-trump-if-we-retake-house

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« Reply #358 on: May 22, 2018, 05:41:35 PM »
AL GREEN: DEMOCRATS WILL IMPEACH TRUMP IF WE RETAKE THE HOUSE
‘Every member of the House is accorded the opportunity to bring up impeachment’
May 22, 2018 

If Americans give the House of Representatives back to the Democratic Party this November, one of first things that will happen is the impeachment of President Trump, Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) said Tuesday.

"There’s a good likelihood there will be articles of impeachment” brought against Trump, Rep. Green said. “Here is a point that I think is salient, and one that ought to be referenced. Every member of the House is accorded the opportunity to bring up impeachment. This is not something the Constitution has bestowed upon leadership. It’s something every member has the right and privilege of doing.”

Rep. Green, who has been one of the most vocal proponents of impeaching Trump, made the comments during an appearance on CSPAN.

Here's a transcript:

ECHEVARRIA: “If Democrats take back the House in November, what is the likelihood that Speaker Nancy Pelosi bring up an impeachment charge?”

GREEN: “I’ll let Speaker Pelosi address her actions. But here is a point that I think is salient and one that ought to be referenced. Every member of the House is accorded the opportunity to bring up impeachment. This is not something that the Constitution has bestowed upon leadership. It is something that every member has the right and privilege of doing. I am not sure that there will be members who are going to wait for someone else if that someone else, doesn’t matter who it is, is declining to do it. We can all do it. And I think there is a good likelihood there will be Articles of Impeachment.”

ECHEVARRIA: “Have you heard directly from the Minority Leader about these efforts of yours, specifically asking you to stop or hold back? Anything along that line?”

GREEN: “Well, I don’t think you have to ask me what I’ve heard. If you have read publications, it is intuitively obvious to perhaps even the most casual observer that she and I are in different places on this. I respect her position.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-al-green-democrats-will-impeach-trump-if-we-retake-house

>Assuming that Pence would not carry out the rest of the agenda.

>Assuming that this would not result in a MASSIVE 2020 showing for the republican candidate.


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« Reply #359 on: May 22, 2018, 05:52:28 PM »
>Assuming that Pence would not carry out the rest of the agenda.

>Assuming that this would not result in a MASSIVE 2020 showing for the republican candidate.


Great Idea!

I doubt they care that Pence would do exactly what Trump is doing.  They just want to tarnish Trump.  Pretty dumb political tactic.  They would be much better served coming up with some good, concrete policy positions to run on in 2018. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #360 on: May 23, 2018, 01:51:51 PM »
Al Green's comments and proposed impeachment seems premature. As much as I don't like Trump, I believe the conditions of his impeachment have not been met yet. It's more likely that Trump will be a one term president or he'll get fed up and resign.

Definitely premature.  

I don't think he quits and if he continues to perform the way he has, he is going to be reelected, particularly when you look at who the Democrats are lining up for 2020:  Bernie Sanders, Corey Booker, Kamala Harris, etc.  

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« Reply #361 on: May 23, 2018, 02:05:33 PM »
We will have a better idea of the future of the presidency on the second Tuesday in November or the day after that. Personally, I think his performance is lacking....mostly because I disagree with his policies and because he panders to his friends and families' interests.

Remember that saying "it's the economy stupid"?  The economic indicators are hardly lacking.  The economy has improved by leaps and bounds.  That's what will primarily propel him to a second term.  Taking back all the ground we lost from ISIS under Obama helps.  And if he is able to broker some kind of treaty between North and South Korea, it's over.  

And given his accomplishments, why wouldn't we want him to serve a second term? 

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« Reply #362 on: May 23, 2018, 03:07:09 PM »
The economic recovery began in 2010.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669

ISIS, who deserves credit for their defeat?
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/30/16945312/state-of-the-union-2018-isis
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-defies-his-generalson-isis-and-syria

North Korea Summit is on hold at the moment,
http://www.newser.com/story/259613/trump-hedges-on-date-for-north-korea-summit.html

Please tell me you just skimmed that second link (first one I clicked on) and didn't actually use that as some sort of defense of your position. Just decided to throw it up. That is an embarrassing article. Filled with major stretches/misquotes/contradictions, etc.

Type of article that is turning the tide hopefully for the midterms due to its overt bias/lack of logic used.

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #363 on: May 23, 2018, 04:54:47 PM »
The economic recovery began in 2010.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-economic-outlook-3305669

ISIS, who deserves credit for their defeat?
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/30/16945312/state-of-the-union-2018-isis
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-defies-his-generalson-isis-and-syria

North Korea Summit is on hold at the moment,
http://www.newser.com/story/259613/trump-hedges-on-date-for-north-korea-summit.html

The recovery may have began in 2010 (I'm not sure if that's true), but the economic indicators have dramatically improved since Trump has been in office.  No reasonable person voting in 2020 is going to credit Obama for economic success between 2016 and 2020.

Who deserves the credit for the rise of ISIS after we pulled our troops from Iraq?  Obama, without question.  Who took back all of the ground we lost in Iraq in one year?  Trump, without question. 

I don't know what will happen with North Korea, but like I said, if Trump negotiates a treaty I don't see how he isn't reelected. 

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Re: Impeachment
« Reply #364 on: May 23, 2018, 04:56:22 PM »
Unlike some "never Trumpers" I try to deal with reality instead of wishful thinking.
Pres. Trump still has a solid 40% base of support that's stayed with him, regardless .
The tax cut was popular with his base and many on the right applauded his moving of the Israli embassy to Jeruselum .
It would be difficult to convict him, even if he was impeached . They need 67 senators to vote against him,
so that's a real long shot.

I've always thought he'd resign IF the dems take back the house.
With the Mueller / FBI investigations added to dems in charge of congress, he'll say fuk it.

Regardless of the evidence, he'll head out in disgust ,claiming he was sabotaged and ruined his plans to MAGA.

I know you and other Trump supporters think I'm crazy on this, but I honestly think it could happen.
Oh well, we'll know better in a few months.



You're not dealing with reality.  If you were, you wouldn't be talking about that asinine Russia conspiracy theory.  And there is zero evidence Trump committed a crime. 

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« Reply #365 on: May 23, 2018, 05:30:02 PM »
What you really have down pat is the fact that most people have short memories. Obama will likely take his place in history as the first African American U.S. President. History can be a good reference, but what happens in the here and now is more important. Trump will be reelected unless he falls from the grace of his support....that's a real possibility when someone is as unpredictable as he is. 

People definitely have short memories. 

Love him or hate him, one thing Trump does is win.  I was a Never Trumper.  I was wrong about him. 

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« Reply #366 on: May 23, 2018, 11:52:58 PM »
You continually amaze me. Keep me guessing, I love it. Now I really have to go.

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« Reply #367 on: June 22, 2018, 01:10:01 PM »
There's nearly a Nixon '74 level of public support for impeaching Trump
CNN ^ | June 22, 2018 | Byron Wolfe
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(CNN)There is a truly remarkable number in the most recent CNN poll, conducted by SSRS and out this morning.

In it, 42% of Americans say President Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office. What makes it remarkable is that he's on par with President Richard Nixon, who 43% of Americans said should be impeached and removed from office in a March 1974 Harris poll. That was after the scale of Watergate came to light, but months before the House started to move against Nixon, who would go on to resign in August 1974 rather than be impeached.

Impeachment requires "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors," according to the Constitution, which also lists it as the the only thing for which a President can't issue a pardon. Trump has bragged that he certainly has the power to pardon himself but won't need to use it. Nixon got a pardon from Gerald Ford, the man to whom he gave the keys to the White House.

The 43% supporting Nixon's impeachment in that Harris poll, by the way, is much higher than the 29% who supported impeachment for President Bill Clinton in 1998. Or, for that matter, the similar number who wanted Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush impeached. As CNN's Grace Sparks writes, there's basically "a baseline of pro-impeachment sentiment for a modern president" and Trump far eclipses it. So why aren't top Democrats clamoring to impeach Trump? To be sure, there are efforts on the outskirts of the party and in Congress, but they do not have the backing of party big wigs.

Most Democrats in Congress, for the record, have opposed efforts by Rep. Al Green, a Texas Democrat, to bring the issue to the floor of the House.

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« Reply #368 on: June 22, 2018, 01:26:55 PM »
Thanks for asking. The honest answer is, not great, just so-so. Following the political news is mainly for distraction much like watching The Voice and other competition shows and spending time on Getbig are. This being said, I am thankful for my friends and family, my good health and relatively secure economic position.

Then what are you missing, Prime?  And what are you distracting yourself from, would you say?

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« Reply #369 on: June 22, 2018, 03:18:09 PM »
My late wife and the loss of my very best friend in the world. Nothing will ever fill this void.

Sorry for your losses.  Death and dying suck. 

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« Reply #370 on: June 22, 2018, 05:00:43 PM »
My late wife and the loss of my very best friend in the world. Nothing will ever fill this void.

Sorry man.  We bust balls but we are also Getbiggrrs first.  Stay strong man

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« Reply #371 on: June 22, 2018, 09:48:24 PM »
My late wife and the loss of my very best friend in the world. Nothing will ever fill this void.

That's really sad, Prime.  But I'm sure you'd rather feel the sorrow, than some alternative to it -- meaning a positive truth about yourself can be found even in that gloom, and in the least selfish way.  

(Sometimes it helps to realize that when all else fails.)

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« Reply #372 on: June 23, 2018, 03:00:47 PM »
My late wife and the loss of my very best friend in the world. Nothing will ever fill this void.
Bashing Trump seems to pass your days now.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #373 on: July 17, 2018, 06:46:29 PM »
Bookmaker increases chances of Trump being impeached after Putin summit
BY JUSTIN WISE - 07/17/18
   
Bookmaker increases chances of Trump being impeached after Putin summit
The chances that President Trump will be impeached are rising, according to one Irish bookmaker, one day after Trump refused to denounce Russian meddling in the 2016 election following a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Paddy Power increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached on Tuesday from 8-1 to 2-1, according to Yahoo News. The news outlet first reported that the betting company also increased the likelihood of Trump being impeached this year, from 12-1 to 8-1.

"After the carnage of the last few days, we’ve seen plenty of punters Putin money on Trump’s impeachment again — although I’m sure they’ll soon get a message, in Russian, urging them to stop," a Paddy Power spokesman told Yahoo News.

The odds of Trump's impeachment increasing comes after his high-stakes summit with Putin in Finland, where he drew widespread condemnation for the comments he made during a joint press conference.

Among other things, Trump slammed special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election as a "disaster" and said he had no reason to think Moscow interfered — a comment that runs counter to the U.S. intelligence community's assessments.

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.), a member of the House Judiciary Committee, told The Hill on Monday that it was "premature" to discuss Trump's impeachment.

"We should do all we can to make sure that he’s held accountable, that we conduct the investigations the Republicans have been unwilling to do.” Swalwell said. “If impeachment is the case, it’s because we found impenetrable evidence that we take to the American people and will be accepted by both Republicans and Democrats."

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/397431-bookmaker-increases-odds-of-trump-being-impeached-after-trump-putin-summit

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« Reply #374 on: July 19, 2018, 04:32:29 PM »
Trump impeachment push emerges as next Dem litmus test
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