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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2013, 01:21:25 PM »
was she a paranoid, catatonic, or disorganized schizophrenic?

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #101 on: May 19, 2013, 05:32:11 PM »
I like your analogy of what is normal. Mental illness is not bunk though.

My aunt was schizophrenic. She gave up her apartment to live on the streets in Venice Beach and sometimes Hollywood, CA, by choice. The interesting thing is she lived longer than all of her siblings....guess there is something to be said for street life in the right climate. Being crazy probably helps a little too.

She was my favorite aunt. She could be a lot of fun to be around. In good times, she was quite the free spirit. She didn't much like it when she was institutionalized at the California state mental hospital in Camarillo or in the West L.A. VA hospital psyche ward, mainly because they'd drug her up and she'd lose all her energy. She died a few years ago. She was 84 years old.
You answered it best, she was a FREE SPIRIT-  Free spirits don't do well in an authoritarian do the fuck as your told system.  Interesting you point out she lived longer than her siblings, perhaps she was unto something.  And the fact you preferred her over your other Relations in also of note.  

I am not saying so called 'Crazy' doesn't exist, to quote Thomas Szasz “Contemporary human problems are real enough. It is the labels we give them that concern me, and, having labelled them, what we do about them.” Ideology & Insanity

Schizophrenia to me is more of an existential crisis, people get to a point whereby there current belief systems and way of life no longer hold the value the once did, they have proven ineffective or outdated, usually exposed by some trauma and they are struggling to develop a better paradigm on how to live their life.  Like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly, it needs to shed parts of itself and modify others and emerge as something different based on the original.  

The recovery rate with schizophrenia is remarkably high, another argument for it not being a real brain disease.  A lot of people don't realise that the drugs used to treat it actually cause some serious brain damage.  Usually with a supportive environment and little to no medication so called schizophrenics fully recover.  A big problem with anybody with mental illness is they lack a supportive environment, everybody is too wrapped up in their own lives.  A lot of so called mental illness is nothing more than an indication of how shitty a place society has become to live in, modern society isn't normal or healthy, and the so called mentally ill are a reflection of that.
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #102 on: May 19, 2013, 05:34:09 PM »
You answered it best, she was a FREE SPIRIT-  Free spirits don't do well in an authoritarian do the fuck as your told system.  Interesting you point out she lived longer than her siblings, perhaps she was unto something.  And the fact you preferred her over your other Relations in also of note. 
Have you spent some time in the psych ward E-Kul?

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2013, 05:55:43 PM »
Have you spent some time in the psych ward E-Kul?
I haven't spent time in the psyche ward, but on two separate occasions I have had run-ins with the Police, mouthed off and got in verbal arguments with them.  Because they were unable to charge me with a crime they slapped a Section 10 on me (in Australia that means involuntary admission), which is another form of punishment (which is worse than other punishments as you aren't even afforded the right of due process as in other criminal matters), they can hold you for 24 hours while they organise a psyche evaluation, if after that time the Psychiatrist says you are good to go and that there is nothing wrong with you they have to let you go.  Both times I was held until I saw a quack, and then they let me go.

Like I said, psychiatry is another extension of the law, it has little to do with medicine or healing.  Section 10's (involuntary admission) happen all the time, if the police want to punish you but have little to charge you with but still want to teach you a lesson, they slap a section 10 on you (all it takes is for a Police officer to suspect you are mentally ill).  During that time the Hospital can restrain you and drug you if they like.  This is just one of the reasons I am against psychiatry, Involuntary admission is a crime against humanity.
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #104 on: May 19, 2013, 06:05:47 PM »
Same thing in Florida there is The Baker Act! Where the Police can do it, or you or your family can have you held! It is for 36 hours if it is determined if you are a threat to yourself or others!

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2013, 06:14:20 PM »
Same thing in Florida there is The Baker Act! Where the Police can do it, or you or your family can have you held! It is for 36 hours if it is determined if you are a threat to yourself or others!
It truly is a crime against humanity, a lot of people have no idea about it, I know I didn't until the Police did it to me.  After that i investigated psychiatry and was disturbed by what I found.  I soon realised how it has been used as a political tool to oppress dissent and even during NAZI Germany, a lot of the horror was committed by Psychiatrists who decided who lived and who died.  Psychiatrists during that time killed hundreds of thousands of people, There were six psychiatric extermination centers in Germany during the Nazi era.  After the war was over, Psychiatry itself was put on trial, but the Americans were so concerned about tarnishing the reputation of Psychiatry (as well as it's use a powerful control tool) they scapegoated a few psychiatrists and Psychiatry came out relatively unscathed.  It is a sick sick industry, and when you investigate it, it makes your stomach churn.

When you consider Psychiatry's history and the classification of Drapetomania which was a supposed mental illness described by American physician Samuel A. Cartwright in 1851 that caused black slaves to flee captivity. In addition to identifying drapetomania, Cartwright prescribed a remedy. His feeling was that with "proper medical advice, strictly followed, this troublesome practice that many Negroes have of running away can be almost entirely prevented." In the case of slaves "sulky and dissatisfied without cause" — a warning sign of imminent flight — Cartwright prescribed "whipping the devil out of them" as a "preventative measure". As a remedy for this disease, doctors also made running a physical impossibility by prescribing the removal of both big toes.

Not hard to see what a perverse branch of law this is, slaves running away are mentally ill, and a whipping and big toe removal is the cure.  Psychiatry at it's finest.  look up some of the other ingenious methods they have of treating those unfortunate enough to be labelled mentally ill, lobotomies and electric shock therapy, just to name a few.  This isn't a field of medicine, it's a sadistic form of punishing those that society disproves of.  It's a modern day version of witch burning.
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2013, 06:17:54 PM »
It also has it's good points it can be used to save lives if not abused!

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« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2013, 06:26:00 PM »
It also has it's good points it can be used to save lives if not abused!
As long as it's voluntary.  trust me, psychiatry has killed far more people than it has ever helped.  Far more.  Don't believe me look it up, do some research.  Psychiatry is masquerading as medicine, don't believe the hype.  it is a political tool that Governments have constantly used to suppress dissent since it's inception.  The government want you to believe it is benign and harmless (try attacking the psychiatric profession and they will conveniently label you mentally ill, once they slap that label on you, they destroy your credibility, that's the whole point) it really is a very harmful and powerful tool that Governments utilise.  If you are interested in researching the issue, start with Thomas Szasz, he was Psychiatrically trained but spoke out about the industry for his whole life, well into his nineties, he wrote many books on the matter.  In my eyes, people like him are heroes.
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2013, 10:45:13 PM »
Hey Mayor go back to M.D. where everyone thinks you're a nice guy you ignorant fuck!
I may be ignorant but I don't need no Quack drug dealer doctor to give me drugs! Life is hard deal with it! Take up a hobby and understand its a test this life!

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #109 on: May 19, 2013, 10:46:55 PM »
Mike Tyson used his Bipolar Illness in the ring! Just doesn't work out to well away from the ring ,unless you are training for a fight!
Mike Tyson is a CONVICTED RAPIST!  fUCK HIM HE IS A COWARD!

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2013, 10:48:22 PM »
Jesus are you this much of a blowhard asshole in real life ?

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2013, 03:20:02 AM »
Some days I believe it's the worst illness in the world, others I don't believe it exists at all.

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2013, 03:21:25 AM »
Yes.  I am.

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2013, 05:17:18 AM »
I may be ignorant but I don't need no Quack drug dealer doctor to give me drugs! Life is hard deal with it! Take up a hobby and understand its a test this life!
Don't you have an autistic son? Have you ever taken him to a Dr ie Psychiatrist? Is that were your opinions come from?

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2013, 05:27:32 AM »
There is no such thing as mental illness.  Psychiatry is an extension of the law (not medicine) and a way to sell shit loads of drugs.  It's always about behaviour that others find objectionable (generally those in power), not illness at all, real illness can be found at autopsy, mental illness is just a bunch of bullshit voted on by pseudo doctors in white coats with a vested interest in selling overpriced quackery and drugs.  The DSM is now so full of invented conditions that it covers the whole planets population.  The average person could easily be slotted into at least 5 Psychiatric diagnoses.



Lol dude,

I work in a closed psychiatric hospital. Are you telling me the schizo's who are brought in on daily basis who set the neighbours house on fire, cut the power supply and hammer nail their windows shut are just playing a prank  :-X??

Bipolar is very real, also stay away from any chick with a personality disorder.

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #116 on: May 20, 2013, 05:31:16 AM »
I once had a Bi-polar Boss........the job was easy, but that Boss made it a living hell, but his Superiors never knew he was Bi-polar until some people started to point it out. evidently, he seeked treatment and there was improvement, by that time, lots of people quitted..... :)...

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #117 on: May 20, 2013, 06:50:58 AM »
Lol dude,

I work in a closed psychiatric hospital. Are you telling me the schizo's who are brought in on daily basis who set the neighbours house on fire, cut the power supply and hammer nail their windows shut are just playing a prank  :-X??

Bipolar is very real, also stay away from any chick with a personality disorder.
You have been very general and vague in your analysis of your so called schizophrenic patients (perhaps because you have little real information yourself).  Things like nailing your windows shut is a lot of places is common place, hardly unusual, and someone burning down their neighbours house is not in any way crazy, perhaps the neighbour really pissed them off, and as for cutting off the power supply, it would be hard to comment on why someone did such a thing without more information.  There is no doubt some people experience trying times in their life,  and what I am saying is that at various times in a individuals life some people experience existential angst usually brought on by some crisis or trauma, I don't know that labelling such temporary states as mentally ill is an accurate assessment of the situation, and quite often the treatment (involuntary commitment, damaging drug regimes)  of these so called mentally ill people is what creates the majority of distress in the person in the first place.

“Contemporary human problems are real enough. It is the labels we give them that concern me, and, having labelled them, what we do about them.” Ideology & Insanity, Szasz
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #118 on: May 20, 2013, 07:01:27 AM »
Labelling someone as mentally ill is a perfectly acceptable use of the term 'ill' E-Kul. Why do you even bother writing paragraphs of nonsense trying to go against the norm?

If someone is suffering an acute breakdown, that can be rehabilitated through rest/counselling etc it's perfectly feasible to lable them as being 'mentally ill' for that period. They weren't sick physically, so it's fine to call them sick mentally.

Obviously there are different degrees of illness.

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #119 on: May 20, 2013, 07:28:28 AM »
Labelling someone as mentally ill is a perfectly acceptable use of the term 'ill' E-Kul. Why do you even bother writing paragraphs of nonsense trying to go against the norm?

If someone is suffering an acute breakdown, that can be rehabilitated through rest/counselling etc it's perfectly feasible to lable them as being 'mentally ill' for that period. They weren't sick physically, so it's fine to call them sick mentally.

Obviously there are different degrees of illness.
I have no problem with someone being treated for any condition that bothers them, my objection is against involuntary treatment against a patients will.  When the label 'ILL' is thrust upon them and a forced treatment applied.  Personally I think people who PRAY to a fictional GOD as suffering from some type of mental illness, would you accept that label if me and a bunch of people with power voted on it and labelled it mental illness.  Would you be happy for those who pray regularly to be locked away against their will and lobotomies performed as a cure.  I give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you believe that would be an abuse of power.  

Any-time you deprive someone of their liberty under the guise of helping them it is a punishment and can only worsen any initial distress they were initially suffering.  Hence the reason people who ESCAPE so called treatment label themselves psychiatric survivors.  Torturing people and calling it treatment is a crime against humanity.  It is ALWAYS about POWER and nothing more.  Imagine I was granted the power to lock away anybody I deemed 'mentally ill', half of GETBIG would be recovering from a recent lobotomy while drooling their mashed potato down their straight jacket as we speak.
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #120 on: May 20, 2013, 07:34:36 AM »
I have no problem with someone being treated for any condition that bothers them, my objection is against involuntary treatment against a patients will.  When the label 'ILL' is thrust upon them and a forced treatment applied.  Personally I think people who PRAY to a fictional GOD as suffering from some type of mental illness, would you accept that label if me and a bunch of people with power voted on it and labelled it mental illness.  Would you be happy for those who pray regularly to be locked away against their will and lobotomies performed as a cure.  I give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you believe that would be an abuse of power.  

Any-time you deprive someone of their liberty under the guise of helping them it is a punishment and can only worsen any initial distress they were initially suffering.  hence the reason people who survive so called treatment label themselves psychiatric survivors.  Torturing people and calling it treatment is a crime against humanity.  It is ALWAYS about POWER and nothing more.  Imagine I was granted the power to lock away anybody I deemed 'mentally ill', half of GETBIG would be recovering from a recent lobotomy while drooling their mashed potato down their straight jacket as we speak.

Meltdown.

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #121 on: May 20, 2013, 07:36:39 AM »
Meltdown.
Somehow I sensed you weren't interesting in debating the topic.  The average getbigger is more interested in trying to illicit a reaction from me rather than discussing a topic of Interest. Oh well.  ::)  If only the average get-bigger could get past their butt hurt interesting debates could be had. 
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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #122 on: May 20, 2013, 07:40:13 AM »
Somehow I sensed you weren't interesting in debating the topic.  The average getbigger is more interested in trying to illicit a reaction from me rather than discuss the topic. Oh well.  ::)
Meltdown.

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Re: Do you really believe in Bipolar as a legit illness?
« Reply #123 on: May 20, 2013, 07:59:10 AM »
Meltdown.
I suspect you are joking so whatever dude!  The labelling of anything others object with as a MELTDOWN has seriously undermined what a real meltdown is.  I consider myself an honest fellow, if I was to meltdown I would have no problem admitting to it.  That's fine if you choose to see my opinions as a MELTDOWN, but for me they are far from that, I simply come from a standpoint of manifesting my opinions based on what is in my own best interests, best increases my chances of self preservation.  So when discussing any issue, I always imagine what would something would feel like if it were to happen to me and argue from that stand point.  

I don't deliberately go out of my way to provoke anybody, it's just that the average civilian mindset is incredibly rigid and essentially deeply indoctrinated.  I am always amazed how often the majority have very little insight into the deeper nature of reality and corporate and political processes.  Some seem to be on the right path with their paranoid suspicions of their government, but they seem to have misdirected their energy into the wrong sphere.  Sadly, this is the nature of indoctrination and propaganda, it is a very insidious virus indeed.  The average indoctrinated psyche isn't equipped to deal with anything that challenges their belief structure, they find it incredibly threatening and go on the attack.  I am aware this is what others are doing, getting defensive and defending their long cherished beliefs and opinions.  I am always open to counter arguments, but unfortunately, most peoples beliefs are based on one sided thinking, they haven't even considered an alternative point of view, they simply don't have a counter argument to offer, so they simply resort to personal attacks.

Essentially, the majority are cowards and not prepared to say what they think, feel and believe and essentially are just doing what they are told to do.  Most people just take things on face values, and never investigate the reality of something, sometimes it is only when they experience the reality of something that they are forced to learn the true nature of it. They have been conditioned well and indoctrinated to obey authority at every turn (most of the people are even unaware of this conditioning, believing themselves to be some type of independent thinker).  I consider life precious, and way too short to just repeat other peoples thoughts and feelings, what is important is to be true to myself, regardless of the social cost.  How I feel about me is far more important than what others think of me.
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