Muslims behead man in the streets......of London

[Straw Man]

The comparison is what I'm offering.  Do you dispute the comparison?  Second time I ask you, but you avoid the question.

How does it "contradict reality of the christian fundies who commit acts of violence."?  Was Jesus Christ a violent man?  Did he teach violence?  Were his disciples violent men?  Did they teach violence?  No.

The Amish are Christians, and they are stuck in the past much like many Muslim communities around the world.  Are the Amish violent?  No.

I have no idea if the comparison is valid or not

can you post a link to the study

As I've already said a couple of times in this thread and many many times before, I think that certain people in many different religions sometimes let their religious beliefs drive them to the point of committing violence.   It seems that those people often believe they are more devout or that their deeper beliefs drive and justify their actions.    These people might have already been nuts or been on the cusp or perhaps something in their learned beliefs have triggered it. 

[loco]

I have no idea if the comparison is valid or not

can you post a link to the study

As I've already said a couple of times in this thread and many many times before, I think that certain people in many different religions sometimes let their religious beliefs drive them to the point of committing violence.   It seems that those people often believe they are more devout or that their deeper beliefs drive and justify their actions.    These people might have already been nuts or been on the cusp or perhaps something in their learned beliefs have triggered it.  

I do.  The comparison is valid.

No, watch the video P.I.P posted.  I quoted his post.

Nobody cares about what you've said...

...LOL...I kid, I kid!    

[Skip8282]

It is quite clear that some religious texts encourage murder under certain circumstances.  Whether that religious text also includes a passage or two about loving thy neighbor is only relevant in so far as it demonstrates a inconsistency, hypocrisy and contradiction.   In my opinion, a propensity for violence is inherent in religion itself.

Yeah, hard to disagree with that.

[drkaje]

So in your estimation it is the individual and his misinterpretation of his religion and not religion itself that is dangerous?

Religion, itself, is a creation of man. How can it not lead to insanity?

[George Whorewell]

I pray that the British take back their country from the subhuman, satanic filth of Islam. Violently or non violently, its all the same. There is no place in society for these animals. If  bringing death to these human cockroaches is the only way to keep the rest of mankind safe, then may death fall upon every man woman and child who worships the satanic pedophile Mohammad.

Enough is enough.

If  an incident of terrorism ever warranted a brutal act of retribution, the time is now.   If for no other reason than to reestablish the supremacy of your homeland.

God save the Queen. 

[Archer77]

Religion, itself, is a creation of man. How can it not lead to insanity?

Food for thought

[Fury]

Odds of these Islamotwats being on British welfare? Very high.

Islam is a plague.

[Soul Crusher]

Odds of these Islamotwats being on British welfare? Very high.

Islam is a plague.

We have these same animals here too

[Roger Bacon]

Liberal communists always make excuses for islamic terrorists

It does appear that way... 

[JOHN MATRIX]

Liberal Utopianism at its best.

Agree..fuck london. They are getting what they wanted. I truly feel sorry for the real british patriots who have to watch their formerly glorious nation turn into the world capital of political correctness and destructive liberal policies.

[Fury]

Also to note, these two are CONVERTS to Islam so anyone claiming Islam has nothing to do with it is full of shit.

[Archer77]

Agree..fuck london. They are getting what they wanted. I truly feel sorry for the real british patriots who have to watch their formerly glorious nation turn into the world capital of political correctness and destructive liberal policies.

Stuff like this never ends well for the immigrants, just ask the Jews.  The people are going to grow weary of all bullshit and someone is going to come along offering pretty scary solutions.

[Dos Equis]

It is quite clear that some religious texts encourage murder under certain circumstances.  Whether that religious text also includes a passage or two about loving thy neighbor is only relevant in so far as it demonstrates a inconsistency, hypocrisy and contradiction.   In my opinion, a propensity for violence is inherent in religion itself.

You think this is true of all religions? 

[Archer77]

You think this is true of all religions? 

For the most part. Groups that believe they possess absolute authority and knowledge on all matters of heaven and earth , whether they be political or religious, often feel justified to do just about anything based on the premise that they are justified by a higher authority to do so. 

You may argue that Christian in western countries rarely commit acts of violence and you would be correct, but there are many reasons for that.  Chief among them is the counter balance of secular laws and values which prevent the implementation of the more abhorrent aspects of their religion such as stoning disobedient children. 

[Dos Equis]

For the most part. Groups that believe they possess absolute authority and knowledge on all matters of heaven and earth , whether they be political or religious, often feel justified to do just about anything based on the premise that they are justified by a higher authority to do so. 

You may argue that Christian in western countries rarely commit acts of violence and you would be correct, but there are many reasons for that.  Chief among them is the counter balance of secular laws and values which prevent the implementation of the more abhorrent aspects of their religion such as stoning disobedient children. 

What groups believe they possess absolute authority and knowledge on all matters of heaven and earth?  I've been a Christian my entire life and that certainly does not describe Christianity (assuming Christians are part of the group you've identified).

Christians in the U.S. rarely commit acts of violence in the name of Christianity.  And anyone who does, isn't acting in accord with any mainstream Christian church or teaching. 

What Christians have ever advocated stoning disobedient children in the U.S.? 

[Archer77]

What groups believe they possess absolute authority and knowledge on all matters of heaven and earth?  I've been a Christian my entire life and that certainly does not describe Christianity (assuming Christians are part of the group you've identified).

Christians in the U.S. rarely commit acts of violence in the name of Christianity.  And anyone who does, isn't acting in accord with any mainstream Christian church or teaching. 

What Christians have ever advocated stoning disobedient children in the U.S.? 

Christianity believes it has absolute authority in matters of morality, the purpose of live, the nature of the universe, how the earth was formed, . the origin of life, what happens after death and god.  Pretty big stuff. 

They aren't acting in accordance with mainstream church for the reason I mentioned before.  There are counterbalances in a democratic secular society.  We also have a level of affluence in the west were radical investment in religion doesn't have the payoff it has in poorer countries.   In this society we have more to lose and nothing to gain by radicalism.

No one is advocating the stoning of children which is my point. Stoning of disobedient children is in the bible but people don't following for the reasons I stated in my original post and above.

[Dos Equis]

Christianity believes it has absolute authority in matters of morality, the purpose of live, the nature of the universe, how the earth was formed, . the origin of life, what happens after death and god.  Pretty big stuff. 

They aren't acting in accordance with mainstream church for the reason I mentioned before.  There are counterbalances in a democratic secular society.  We also have a level of affluence in the west were radical investment in religion doesn't have the payoff it has in poorer countries.   In this society we have more to lose and nothing to gain by radicalism.

No one is advocating the stoning of children which is my point. Stoning of disobedient children is in the bible but people don't following for the reasons I stated in my original post and above.

No it doesn't.  Where are you getting that from? 

You think the only thing keeping mainstream Christians in the U.S. from committing murder are secular laws? 

Stoning children isn't something that has ever happened in this country.  Really not sure what point you're trying to make with that reference.

[Archer77]

No it doesn't.  Where are you getting that from? 

You think the only thing keeping mainstream Christians in the U.S. from committing murder are secular laws? 

Stoning children isn't something that has ever happened in this country.  Really not sure what point you're trying to make with that reference.

It is absolutely secular laws and values.  The christian bible advocates horrible acts the same as the Koran.  Why is it that Christians don't also commit acts of violence?  The difference is, in part, the society the person grows up in.

Christians in western societies generally don't act on these recommendations because, they have other values that supersede and cancel out the biblical precepts and radicalism doesn't have the same appeal in a country with greater affluence.

[George Whorewell]

Yet another moronic comment by CSWOLS "spotting partner".

Obviously this jackass doesn't know anything about "most religions" or most anything else.

Out of curiosity, do people like you think that some invisible recording (Ala The Truman Show) is keeping score of all your delusional moral justification rationalizations? If that happens to be the case, let me be the first to inform you that you're not stockpiling  imaginary PC brownie points that earn you frequent flyer miles or a gift certificate to PC Richards each time you reflexively make excuses for Islamic Terrorists or various other left wing causes.
It is truly unbelievable that after an Islamic cockroach murders an innocent man in broad daylight, your reaction is somewhere along the lines of: "Hey that's bad, but let's not single out Islam, most religions are violent".   Are you running for Mayor of Islamabad or something? What kind of fucking asinine moral equivalency fantasy could you possibly gleam from what transpired in England yesterday? The Crusades back in the 14th century were bad also?

What about the Boston bombings, 911, Fort Hood, The first WTC attack, the beheading of Daniel Pearl, the bombing of the USS cole, the bombing of the US embassy's in Africa, -- I can name 30 instances off the top of my head without even trying. Whats your explanation for that?

Wait let me guess.

Tim McVeigh.  

People with your mindset should be forced to live with the animals you make excuses for. See how long it takes before your at the end of a knife blade begging for your life. You should explain to Ahmed right before he murders you that, you're one of the good guys and you're not islamophobic at all. In fact, you believe that all religions are violent and it's not his fault. See how that works out.  

[Dos Equis]

It is absolutely secular laws and values.  The christian bible advocates horrible acts the same as the Koran.  Why is it that Christians don't also commit acts of violence?  The difference is, in part, the society the person grows up in.

Christians in western societies generally don't act on these recommendations because, they have other values that supersede and cancel out the biblical precepts and radicalism doesn't have the same appeal in a country with greater affluence.

Uh, no.  If you're talking about Old Testament rituals involving Israelites, you're way off base.  Every mainstream Christian church believes murder is wrong.  And you're seriously equating Islam with Christianity? 

Have you spent any significant time in a Christian church?  If so, what did they teach you about murder? 

Christians in Western societies don't murder people, because the Bible doesn't advocate murder and actually teaches people not to murder, and because secular laws prohibit murder. 

[Archer77]

Uh, no.  If you're talking about Old Testament rituals involving Israelites, you're way off base.  Every mainstream Christian church believes murder is wrong.  And you're seriously equating Islam with Christianity? 

Have you spent any significant time in a Christian church?  If so, what did they teach you about murder? 

Christians in Western societies don't murder people, because the Bible doesn't advocate murder and actually teaches people not to murder, and because secular laws prohibit murder. 

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)


Deuteronomy 21:18-21
King James Version (KJV)
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


Why don't Christians do this?  What is stopping them?   What is stopping them is the our societal values for children have more power over our decision making than what the bible advocates as the correct way to deal with a wayward son.

[Dos Equis]

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)


Deuteronomy 21:18-21
King James Version (KJV)
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


Why don't Christians do this?  What is stopping them?   What is stopping them is the our societal values for children have more power over our decision making than what the bible advocates as the correct way to deal with a wayward son.

Because those were rules given to Israelites that applied to them, thousands of years ago, and that Christian church has ever done. 

Why not quote the part that talks about not murdering people? 

Do you actually read the Bible or just look for things that fit whatever argument it is you're trying to make? 

[Archer77]

Because those were rules given to Israelites that applied to them, thousands of years ago, and that Christian church has ever done.  

Why not quote the part that talks about not murdering people?  

Do you actually read the Bible or just look for things that fit whatever argument it is you're trying to make?  

God or Jesus never said the rules changed.  God or Jesus never said it applied only to the ancient Israelites. Do the ten commands only apply to the ancients? How do you determine whats applies now and what doesn't?   Seems a bit arbitrary to me.

I used stoning as an example because it demonstrates how religion functions in our society as opposed to a Muslim one. I have a personal opinion about Christianity and whether or not it is inherently more civil than Islam.  I believe it is.

[Dos Equis]

God or Jesus never said the rules changed.  God or Jesus never said it applied only to the ancient Israelites. Do the ten commands only apply to the ancients? How do you determine whats applies now and what doesn't?   Seems a bit arbitrary to me.

I used stoning as an example because it demonstrates how religion functions in our society as opposed to a Muslim one. I have a personal opinion about Christianity and whether or not it is inherently more civil than Islam.  I believe it is.

Actually He did.  You should read the New Testament.  And if you decide to read it, you don't necessarily have to find a quote from Jesus.    

I don't think it's that difficult to distinguish.  The Israelites were given a plethora of rules and rituals to follow, including animal sacrifices.  I don't have a problem distinguishing those rituals from whatever other guidelines apply to our conduct today.  Some folks who are atheist or disillusioned with Christianity often try and find things to hang their hat on to make Christianity look bad.  And honestly, there are plenty of ways to do just that.  I have questions myself about some things, and I've been around it forever.  But if you actually get into studying and interacting with mainstream Christians, they're all pretty similar and believe similar things.  

[Archer77]

Actually He did.  You should read the New Testament.  And if you decide to read it, you don't necessarily have to find a quote from Jesus.   

I don't think it's that difficult to distinguish.  The Israelites were given a plethora of rules and rituals to follow, including animal sacrifices.  I don't have a problem distinguishing those rituals from whatever other guidelines apply to our conduct today.  Some folks who are atheist or disillusioned with Christianity often try and find things to hang their hat on to make Christianity look bad.  And honestly, there are plenty of ways to do just that.  I have questions myself about some things, and I've around it forever.  But if you actually get into studying and interacting with mainstream Christians, they're all pretty similar and believe similar things. 

Where did Jesus say he was throwing that out?    I'm not trying to make Christianity look bad.   Its there in the bible. You're taking this to personally.  Even if Jesus did change the law, that doesn't make god look any better.  Morality becomes relative, based on the whims of God.