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"Obamacare"
« on: June 04, 2013, 03:16:08 PM »
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 03:21:38 PM »
 
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 03:35:27 PM »
Lol at thinking avxo is the guy that's going to try and spin something.

Avxo is about the most even handed poster on this board

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 03:36:43 PM »
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.


you mean enter axvo for something intelligent

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 03:54:40 PM »
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.

Coach is still butthurt from avxo's posts..

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 04:08:06 PM »
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.

Huh? What are you talking about? I don't support obamacare and never have.

The only one spinning anything is you. And you know what? That's fine. Everyone here sees you for what you are - an idiot regurgitating what others write or say, never backing anything. You engage in histrionics, subscribe to conspiracy theories, and you suffer from delusions. And, somehow, despite all that, you manage to fling mud as expertly as a monkey flings shit.

You are what's wrong with this country asshole. An uninformed, unthinking idiot, who is closer in spirit to the uninformed, unthinking idiots on the left than you are with anyone on the right. You are just like the leftist nutjobs you despise because you are going to cast your ballot using exactly the same criteria they do: based on nothing more than party affiliation and will consider anyone who's not as blindly partisan and who looks at issues without bias the enemy.

You offend me.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 04:11:31 PM »
FWIW, A very small percentage of the cost will be offset by fines levied against people, doctors, and hospitals that refuse to participate. :)

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 05:08:16 PM »
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.

To stupid for words.  You are a hack.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 05:14:53 PM »
...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.

the spin is you got lied to again and you fell for it just like you always do and then came running here to remind everyone what a sucker you are

what I don't  understand is why you're just posting this lie now since it was first floated in January

http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/021513-644675-obamacare-cheapest-plan-wont-cost-20000.htm

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 06:50:20 PM »


You are what's wrong with this country asshole. An uninformed, unthinking idiot, who is closer in spirit to the uninformed, unthinking idiots on the left than you are with anyone on the right. You are just like the leftist nutjobs you despise because you are going to cast your ballot using exactly the same criteria they do: based on nothing more than party affiliation and will consider anyone who's not as blindly partisan and who looks at issues without bias the enemy.

You offend me.
Extreme political rhetoric and blind hate aside, I like Joe, and I think he's a good guy, he just thinks with his emotions instead of his brain. That said, holy fucking shit this post is brutal.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 09:26:39 PM »
the spin is you got lied to again and you fell for it just like you always do and then came running here to remind everyone what a sucker you are

what I don't  understand is why you're just posting this lie now since it was first floated in January

http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/021513-644675-obamacare-cheapest-plan-wont-cost-20000.htm

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/what-a-disaster-obamacare-will-cost-a-family-20000-per-year/

The cheapest Obamacare health insurance plan will cost a family $20,000 per year.
Americans will be forced to purchase the plan or face the Obama IRS.
CNS News reported:

    In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

    Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

    The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

    The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

    “The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 09:29:09 PM »
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family


(CNSNews.com) – In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.

To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.

In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.

Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.

For those wondering how clear the IRS's clarifications of this new "penalty" rule are, here is one of the actual examples the IRS gives:

“Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.

"(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.

"(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 - $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).

"(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000).”

CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 09:35:47 PM »
About "factcheck"


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2923825/posts

Factcheck.org -- A Fraudulent "Fact Check" Site Funded By Biased Political Group

If you wanted to use a devious method to deceive people who are trying to differentiate between truth and lies on the Internet how would you do it? If you were extremely devious and had no conscience, you might set up a Web site with some official and unbiased sounding name that claims to be the encyclopedia of truth to be used as a tool for anyone who has the same biased view and wants to make believe to "back it up" with what they would like you to think is "indisputable fact."

That is exactly what Web sites like factcheck.org are. They are biased, politically motivated propaganda Web sites, manned and funded by biased political organizations who set up the sites for the sole purpose of deviously "backing up" the political arguments of those who hold the same views that they do. It's kind of like you have a friend who is in on your lie, and you use him to back up your story and don't tell anyone else he is your friend.

Just because they use a name that implies unbiased assessments, doesn't mean that they provide them. You can call your Web site anything you want. I can set up a web site called thetruth.org or realfacts.com or stopthelies.org and post any kind of biased political propaganda I want on it. The name means nothing. And in the case of sites like factcheck.org, the name is intentionally misleading and deceptive. But it isn't the only so called "fact check" site that is a fraud. There are others.

Think about it. Would you rely on any particular Web site to get the "truth?" Anyone honest would tell you that you should NOT rely solely on them to get your facts. You should get them by considering many different and sources, with different points of view and opinions and arrive at what you believe to be the truth by using your own God given senses. Only con artists purport to be the de facto source of truth.

If you look behind the scenes at these phony "fact check" sites, you find that they are funded by organizations with political biases. You must always ask yourself. Who is writing about this so-called "truth." Who funds the site and pays their expenses. What are the origins and history of the funders and who are they associated with. In the case of factcheck.org they receive their funding from the liberal Annenberg Foundation.

The Annenberg Foundation was originally founded by Walter J. Annenberg, a conservative who supported Ronald Reagan. However, when Walter Annenberg died, his family took over the management of the foundation and it took a turn to the far left and has ties to radical left individuals such as Bill Ayers and his friend and fellow left wing radical collegue Barack Obama. How is factcheck.org associated with these people:

To start, Ayers was the key founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001. Upon its start in 1995, Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Geesh, that alone connects all three. Well, it branches out even more from there.

Ayers co-chaired the organization’s Collaborative, which set the education policies of the Challenge. Oddly enough, Obama was the one who was authorized to delegate to the Collaborative in regards to its programs and projects. In addition to that, Obama often times had to seek advice and assistance from the Ayer’s led Collaborative in regards to the programmatic aspects of grant proposals. Ayers even sat on the same board as Obama as an “ex officio member”. They both also sat together on the board of the CAC’s Governance Committee. Obama and Ayers were two parts of a group of four who were instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern the CAC. Keep in mind that the “A” in CAC is for Annenberg, the owners of FactCheck.org. The funding for Ayer’s projects and those of his cronies was approved by Board Chair, Barack Obama.

http://theswash.com/liberty/who-fact-checks-factcheck-org

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2013, 05:17:13 AM »
The fact is that whether its 2,000 or 20,000 that communist Kenyan piece of shit and the worthless slime that voted for him lied about costs going down for the average family.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 05:30:59 AM »
The fact is that whether its 2,000 or 20,000 that communist Kenyan piece of shit and the worthless slime that voted for him lied about costs going down for the average family.

Do you remember this gem by the clown in chief?

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2013, 05:31:58 AM »
Do you remember this gem by the clown in chief?


Anyone who believed that bs belongs in front of a death panel

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2013, 05:39:24 AM »
I don't understand, America already has a welfare system, and now a subsidized government health plan.

Why not adopt Canada's system instead? It's basically the same thing, but income tax might have to go up a bit, which is actually better as people don't have to set aside money to buy in "obamacare" or similar services.

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 05:45:52 AM »
I don't understand, America already has a welfare system, and now a subsidized government health plan.

Why not adopt Canada's system instead? It's basically the same thing, but income tax might have to go up a bit, which is actually better as people don't have to set aside money to buy in "obamacare" or similar services.

Because ObamaCare was never intended to help people - its about ripping off the middle class

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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2013, 06:35:10 AM »
I don't understand, America already has a welfare system, and now a subsidized government health plan.

Why not adopt Canada's system instead? It's basically the same thing, but income tax might have to go up a bit, which is actually better as people don't have to set aside money to buy in "obamacare" or similar services.


Easy there commie ;)

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« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2013, 05:20:15 PM »
Because ObamaCare was never intended to help people - its about ripping off the middle class

Your truly not that bright.  My sympathies lie with you.

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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2013, 09:19:37 AM »
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family


(CNSNews.com) – In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.

To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.

In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.

Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.

For those wondering how clear the IRS's clarifications of this new "penalty" rule are, here is one of the actual examples the IRS gives:

“Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.

"(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.

"(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 - $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).

"(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000).”

CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS.

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That part actually makes me worry a bit
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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 10:04:06 AM »
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/what-a-disaster-obamacare-will-cost-a-family-20000-per-year/

The cheapest Obamacare health insurance plan will cost a family $20,000 per year.
Americans will be forced to purchase the plan or face the Obama IRS.
CNS News reported:

    In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

    Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

    The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

    The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

    “The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

Joe - click on your link to the Gateway Pundit and you'll see that they are quoting a story from CNS from January 31

your text from above is directly from that story and the Wednesday it refers to is the prior day of January 30th

It's weird how the right wing just makes up shit and then after it's been debunked they wait a few months and just repeat it again
We see this too with the chain emails that get sent each year repeating the same lies that were debunked in prior years

It's like you guys just have no long term memory and after a few months they just hit rewind and start all over again

Why don't you contact Jim Hoft who copied the article from January 31 and posted it on June 3rd

You can tell him he fucked up and posted an old article that has already been thoroughly debunked (but something tells me he probably already knows that)



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Re: "Obamacare"
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 10:06:58 AM »
Bottom line is that costs are going up, not down as promised. 

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 10:16:37 AM »
Bottom line is that costs are going up, not down as promised. 

don't bother reading this because if you do I'm sure you will key in on the one thing that says rates will go up for some small group while being quite reasonable for many more

Also, don't consider the fact that as this goes forward the insurance companies will now have to compete against each other and be competitive in order to gain/retain business and that will likely bring rates down even more

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2013/may/24/calif-health-insurance-exchange-marketplace.aspx

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 10:48:02 AM »
Coach looking like a fool.  Again.