George Zimmerman - Discussion - Guilty or Innocent?

[Coach is Back!]

Coach and Chaos will flip it around and say, it was actually Trayvon running at Zimmerman, not away from him.

You still don't get it do you? It's not about who did what, its about a white man killing a black 17 year old, no more, no less, It doesn't matter the circumstances. The kid could have been coming after him with a knife, broke into his house, shit, pick a scenario.

[BigCyp]

Zimm never assaulted ashtray. V

Even if Trayvon stopped running, and turned to see Zimm trying to tackle him/all wide eyed ready to move on him - the black kid would be justified in punching him in the jaw.

So here's 2 likely scenarios, which I believe both paint Trayvon as a victim:

1. Trayvon swings for Zimm in defense and they brawl (both trying to aggresively defend themselves) T get's shot. Agg Assault/Murder
2. Trayvon stops running and turns to Zimm, Zimm throws the first punch - Agg Assault/Murder.

I can't see Zimm's innocence in either.

[Nails]

[andreisdaman]

You still don't get it do you? It's not about who did what, its about a white man killing a black 17 year old, no more, no less, It doesn't matter the circumstances. The kid could have been coming after him with a knife, broke into his house, shit, pick a scenario.

oh come on, even you know thats not true...its about a man killing an unarmed teenager who was simply minding his business and using race as a profiler

[240 is Back]

You still don't get it do you? It's not about who did what, its about a white man killing a black 17 year old, no more, no less, It doesn't matter the circumstances. The kid could have been coming after him with a knife, broke into his house, shit, pick a scenario.

for SOME people it's about race.  For others its not.  

Race has NOTHING to do with this, in my opinion.   Zimmerman would have acted THE SAME if it was a white kid in a hoodie looking thuggish.  And Zimmerman WOULD NOT have chased condi rice or colin powell.

he chased a person he thought was a dirtbag thief.  He didn't chase him because he was black.  wasn't motivated by race - he wanted to get trayvon's info so he could drive by and steal his bike back.  

I hear people talk about this case all the time.  the only time I hear race come up is on msnbc or fox news - cause that is RATINGS$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Idiot chased idiot and they had a fight/shootout.   half mexican/white vs. black kid.  Would have gone down the same if zimmerman was black and trayvon was half white/mex.  

[G_Thang]

You still don't get it do you? It's not about who did what, its about a white man killing a black 17 year old, no more, no less, It doesn't matter the circumstances. The kid could have been coming after him with a knife, broke into his house, shit, pick a scenario.

You just don't get it you dumb fuck!  He was Neighborhood Watch.  His job is to report suspicious individuals to the cops and let them do their job, not get out the FUCKING CAR WITH A GUN ON HIS HIP.  You can't be that fucking stupid, coach!

[Archer77]

funny why this kid gets so much attention yet hundreds of blacks die each day from gunshot but you never hear about those.

As I said before, it's an easily digestible subject and it also validates the externalization seen within populations who view all problems within their community as being excludively derived from outside sources, as opposed to internal causes.  Its a diversion on many levels. When Zimmerman is strung up it will give people the catharsis they crave.  

[240 is Back]

Even if Trayvon stopped running, and turned to see Zimm trying to tackle him/all wide eyed ready to move on him - the black kid would be justified in punching him in the jaw.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In Florida, if you make someone fear for their safety by chasing them two blocks in the night after jumping out of your truck, they can actually use a gun to protect themselves from what they view as an immanent attack.

Trayvon could have shot him and legally walked, in FL, because he did run two blocks and hide in the bushes to avoid zimmerman.

[dr.chimps]

because those are usually cut and dry........America doesn't like injustice....especially against minorities

Erm...lynching ring a bell?

[andreisdaman]

for SOME people it's about race.  For others its not.  

Race has NOTHING to do with this, in my opinion.   Zimmerman would have acted THE SAME if it was a white kid in a hoodie looking thuggish.  And Zimmerman WOULD NOT have chased condi rice or colin powell.

he chased a person he thought was a dirtbag thief.  He didn't chase him because he was black.  wasn't motivated by race - he wanted to get trayvon's info so he could drive by and steal his bike back.  

I hear people talk about this case all the time.  the only time I hear race come up is on msnbc or fox news - cause that is RATINGS$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Idiot chased idiot and they had a fight/shootout.   half mexican/white vs. black kid.  Would have gone down the same if zimmerman was black and trayvon was half white/mex.  

you're way off on this......Trayvon was profiled......black kids are always profiled......some for good reason...but if you are going to profile and confront someone based on that profile then you better be right

[dr.chimps]

Asshole Recidivism: a tendency to prolapse into a previous condition or mode of behavior.

Crap! I got nailed.             

[G_Thang]

White boy would be buying crack. It happens in black neighborhoods all the time.  I forgot you don't out that much.   

[Archer77]

White boy would be buying crack. It happens in black neighborhoods all the time.  I forgot you don't out that much.   

I think it's fairly obvious this case wouldn't be getting the attention it has were the roles reversed. 

[240 is Back]

you're way off on this......Trayvon was profiled......black kids are always profiled......some for good reason...but if you are going to profile and confront someone based on that profile then you better be right

I dunno dude -
If trayvon was white - and was standing in a hoodie (avoiding the rain), zimmerman might have called 911 and followed him.  

And if trayvon was a black kid dressed in a business suit holding a briefcase reading the wall street journal, i'm SURE zimmerman woudln't have followed him.

So I think it was more youth & clothing that made him decide to follow, chase and confront the kid.   He wouldn't have chased condi rice or nelson mandela.

I listen to Rush and cnn and hannity and a little msnc, and they LOVE LOVE LOVE bringing race into it.  And people who like these shows seem to talk about race WAY MORE than those who just follow the case on their own.  THe media LOVES when RACE is the main issue.   To me, the main issue is florida law - can an adult chase a minor two blocks with a gun and can the kid use his hands to protect himself?  

It's funny - the only ones pushing RACE into this issue are the ones profiting from commercial revenue ($) - THINK ABOUT THAT!

[BigCyp]

I dunno dude -
If trayvon was white - and was standing in a hoodie (avoiding the rain), zimmerman might have called 911 and followed him.  

And if trayvon was a black kid dressed in a business suit holding a briefcase reading the wall street journal, i'm SURE zimmerman woudln't have followed him.

So I think it was more youth & clothing that made him decide to follow, chase and confront the kid.   He wouldn't have chased condi rice or nelson mandela.

I listen to Rush and cnn and hannity and a little msnc, and they LOVE LOVE LOVE bringing race into it.  And people who like these shows seem to talk about race WAY MORE than those who just follow the case on their own.  THe media LOVES when RACE is the main issue.   To me, the main issue is florida law - can an adult chase a minor two blocks with a gun and can the kid use his hands to protect himself?  

It's funny - the only ones pushing RACE into this issue are the ones profiting from commercial revenue ($) - THINK ABOUT THAT!

Exactly, sometimes you have to just blow away the smoke and think carefully as to why media outlets spend hundreds of $ thousands on cases like this............BECAUSE THEY MAKE MILLIONS FROM IT.

I worry for the people who believe the news stations are just doing the right thing by bringing important events right into their living room, to 'keep the American people up to date' lol.

[CT_Muscle]

Everyone in this thread that says he's guilty don't even know why he's guilty, besides the fact he's white.

Zimmerman is about as White as Obama.....yet everyone considers Obama the first black president  

[Coach is Back!]

You just don't get it you dumb fuck!  He was Neighborhood Watch.  His job is to report suspicious individuals to the cops and let them do their job, not get out the FUCKING CAR WITH A GUN ON HIS HIP.  You can't be that fucking stupid, coach!

Reverse the roles. As far as the gun, from what I've heard he was legally carrying it.

If Zimmerman gets acquitted, come talk to me when the race riots break out all over this country. Then tell me it's more about justice than race.

[Nails]

White boy would be buying crack. It happens in black neighborhoods all the time.  I forgot you don't out that much.   

Thats why they throw Shoes over the electic wires


to inform the white kids what street the drugs are sold on

[Archer77]

Zimmerman is about as White as Obama.....yet everyone considers Obama the first black president  

Because its more psychologically advantageous for Zimmerman to be white.   The illusions to lynching are clearing there and being exploited. 

[240 is Back]

It's funny - the only ones pushing RACE into this issue are the ones profiting from commercial revenue ($) - THINK ABOUT THAT!

Exactly, sometimes you have to just blow away the smoke and think carefully as to why media outlets spend hundreds of $ thousands on cases like this............BECAUSE THEY MAKE MILLIONS FROM IT.

I worry for the people who believe the news stations are just doing the right thing by bringing important events right into their living room, to 'keep the American people up to date' lol.

yeah, this whole "the media tells us the important issues because of some honor journalism code" went out the window about 50 years ago.

MSN, CNN, FOX, and all of those - they are nothing more than BUSINESSES making MONEY by getting VIEWERS to spend TIME watching THEIR SHOWS.

And dry legalese talk on self defense law put viewers to sleep, and they don't make money.  However, HOT BUTTON ISSUES like RACE get people angry and emotional, and they don't turn off the TV... they watch and agree or disagree - but they WATCH.

ironically, the only people who don't agree with this assessment are usually the ones who watch a shitload of cable news/talk radio, and don't want to admit they are drawn into the emotional game they play to keep listeners glued to their shows (and commercials!)

[Soul Crusher]

Even if Trayvon stopped running, and turned to see Zimm trying to tackle him/all wide eyed ready to move on him - the black kid would be justified in punching him in the jaw.

So here's 2 likely scenarios, which I believe both paint Trayvon as a victim:

1. Trayvon swings for Zimm in defense and they brawl (both trying to aggresively defend themselves) T get's shot. Agg Assault/Murder
2. Trayvon stops running and turns to Zimm, Zimm throws the first punch - Agg Assault/Murder.

I can't see Zimm's innocence in either.

Not true at all.  Its not a crime to ask someone a question. 

[Archer77]

yeah, this whole "the media tells us the important issues because of some honor journalism code" went out the window about 50 years ago.

MSN, CNN, FOX, and all of those - they are nothing more than BUSINESSES making MONEY by getting VIEWERS to spend TIME watching THEIR SHOWS.

And dry legalese talk on self defense law put viewers to sleep, and they don't make money.  However, HOT BUTTON ISSUES like RACE get people angry and emotional, and they don't turn off the TV... they watch and agree or disagree - but they WATCH.

ironically, the only people who don't agree with this assessment are usually the ones who watch a shitload of cable news/talk radio, and don't want to admit they are drawn into the emotional game they play to keep listeners glued to their shows (and commercials!)

And it allows the black community to externalize all their problems.

[El Diablo Blanco]

The judge realizes that Zimm is not going to be convicted of murder so the fucker goes ahead and says the jury can now charge him for manslaughter.  lol.  Fucking corrupt legal system.

[dr.chimps]

Reverse the roles. As far as the gun, from what I've heard he was legally carrying it.

If Zimmerman gets acquitted, come talk to me when the race riots break out all over this country. Then tell me it's more about justice than race.

Spoken like a Christian.  

/love how nails is cooking this thread along  

[Soul Crusher]

Other than the fact that blacks were robbing houses left and right in this nabe, Ashtray was 6ft tall, gold teeth, loitering about, had drugs in his system, was on suspension from school for fighting, had a gun himself he posed with etc.

He was not Erkle or Vince Goodrum