George Zimmerman - Discussion - Guilty or Innocent?

[dr.chimps]

Other than the fact that blacks were robbing houses left and right in this nabe, Ashtray was 6ft tall, gold teeth, loitering about, had drugs in his system, was on suspension from school for fighting, had a gun himself he posed with etc.

He was not Erkle or Vince Goodrum

Great contribution, swarthy trash. *sigh*

[240 is Back]

And it allows the black community to externalize all their problems.

dude, black people (and white people!) are more concerned about meeting their bills and getting laid than this case.

There will be no race riots.  That is what we hear from people making $$$ from listeners concerned about it.  Cable news - THAT is where the race riot talk is coming from.  You set up a crowd control plan and suddenly "The race riots are upon us!"

it's too hot, people are lazy, and this case is about legal use of force, not race.  Watch and see - we'll have this verdict by thurs or friday, and outside of a few arrests for people trying to pad their resumes for jobs at msn or fox, nobody will get killed due to race, nobody will loot stores, etc.

Race riots = invention of cable news and talk radio.  That part of history is long gone.  People care about paying their bills and getting laid.  

[G_Thang]

Thats why they throw Shoes over the electic wires


to inform the white kids what street the drugs are sold on

who the fuck told you that?  that must be compton because it's not the south.

[Archer77]

dude, black people (and white people!) are more concerned about meeting their bills and getting laid than this case.

There will be no race riots.  That is what we hear from people making $$$ from listeners concerned about it.  Cable news - THAT is where the race riot talk is coming from.  You set up a crowd control plan and suddenly "The race riots are upon us!"

it's too hot, people are lazy, and this case is about legal use of force, not race.  Watch and see - we'll have this verdict by thurs or friday, and outside of a few arrests for people trying to pad their resumes for jobs at msn or fox, nobody will get killed due to race, nobody will loot stores, etc.

Race riots = invention of cable news and talk radio.  That part of history is long gone.  People care about paying their bills and getting laid.  

It should be about all the things you listed but in the minds of many it isn't.  Their leaders are telling them it isn't.  It plays into a very old narrative.  

[Soul Crusher]

Great contribution, swarthy trash. *sigh*

Goes to show Zimms state of mind when he observed Trayvon vs the little cuddly child the media has tried to present.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Not guilty...Then the CIA will send out people to cause some shit in the sheets like they do with their fake Anarchist groups...

[dr.chimps]

Goes to show Zimms state of mind when he observed Trayvon vs the little cuddly child the media has tried to present.

Big difference between a jumped-up, wanna-be man and tried-to-be cop and a stupid, stoned regular teen kid. 

[Kwon_2]

Safe to say that if the black guy found was a dead ringer for Melvin Goodrum, none of this would have ensued.

[Parker]

Other than the fact that blacks were robbing houses left and right in this nabe, Ashtray was 6ft tall, gold teeth, loitering about, had drugs in his system, was on suspension from school for fighting, had a gun himself he posed with etc.

He was not Erkle or Vince Goodrum

So Trayvon, as you call him Ashtray (how original)...has gold teeth (I never saw the gold teeth)
And a gun which he posed with, which he neither had on his person...and had weed in his system (there are many on here that have weed in their systems now, and a ton of HS kids as well).
And what the hell does that have to do with the case at hand? Hey, kids if this is you, you have no right to wear a hoodie, nor go to the store, nor buy skittles, nor walk in the neighborhood. And damnit, if someone's following you and you feel threatened, remember they have a right to follow you.


The way you talk on here, if some one followed you, you take out a .45 and a nine and empty both clips on the person, then take out a hunting knife and cut out the assailant's heart and let out a howl.

[BigCyp]

So Trayvon, as you call him Ashtray (how original)...has gold teeth (I never saw the gold teeth)
And a gun which he posed with, which he neither had on his person...and had weed in his system (there are many on here that have weed in their systems now, and a ton of HS kids as well).
And what the hell does that have to do with the case at hand? Hey, kids if this is you, you have no right to wear a hoodie, nor go to the store, nor buy skittles, nor walk in the neighborhood. And damnit, if someone's following you and you feel threatened, remember they have a right to follow you.


The way you talk on here, if some one followed you, you take out a .45 and a nine and empty both clips on the person, then take out a hunting knife and cut out the assailant's heart and let out a howl.

Good points Parker.

Damn, the levels of paranoia I used to get from smoking weed, attacking a huge mexican looking dude who's been following me, would not be on the agenda. I'd be holding those skittles tight and getting the hell out of there.

[Mawse]

Good points Parker.

Damn, the levels of paranoia I used to get from smoking weed, attacking a huge mexican looking dude who's been following me, would not be on the agenda. I'd be holding those skittles tight and getting the hell out of there.

You know el cholo was about 170lbs at most back then?

[Archer77]

So Trayvon, as you call him Ashtray (how original)...has gold teeth (I never saw the gold teeth)
And a gun which he posed with, which he neither had on his person...and had weed in his system (there are many on here that have weed in their systems now, and a ton of HS kids as well).
And what the hell does that have to do with the case at hand? Hey, kids if this is you, you have no right to wear a hoodie, nor go to the store, nor buy skittles, nor walk in the neighborhood. And damnit, if someone's following you and you feel threatened, remember they have a right to follow you.


The way you talk on here, if some one followed you, you take out a .45 and a nine and empty both clips on the person, then take out a hunting knife and cut out the assailant's heart and let out a howl.

I have weed in my system right now.  I think the big mistake is jumping to conclusions about the motivations and thoughts of either of the two.  People may consider me bias but I try not to comment on the personalities of the two individuals. Based on the law, the only  penalty that seems remotely plausible is negligent homicide.  I've said this many times here.

[Soul Crusher]

Let me explain this to you and the others on this board - and I think this is the heart of the case - if you want to present and carry yourself like a THUG and a gangsta, sure it is your right to do so, but people will judge and assess you accordingly.

Unforunately - he came into contact w an idiot like Zimmerman and it ended up in his death.

  

So Trayvon, as you call him Ashtray (how original)...has gold teeth (I never saw the gold teeth)
And a gun which he posed with, which he neither had on his person...and had weed in his system (there are many on here that have weed in their systems now, and a ton of HS kids as well).
And what the hell does that have to do with the case at hand? Hey, kids if this is you, you have no right to wear a hoodie, nor go to the store, nor buy skittles, nor walk in the neighborhood. And damnit, if someone's following you and you feel threatened, remember they have a right to follow you.


The way you talk on here, if some one followed you, you take out a .45 and a nine and empty both clips on the person, then take out a hunting knife and cut out the assailant's heart and let out a howl.

[dr.chimps]

I have weed in my system right now.  I think the big mistake is jumping to conclusions about the motivations and thoughts of either of the two.  People may consider me bias but I try not to comment on the personalities of the two individuals. Based on the law, the only  penalty that seems remotely plausible is negligent homicide.  I've said this many times here.

Yeah. Certainly not homicide. Manslaughter 2nd?

[dr.chimps]

Let me explain this to you and the others on this board - and I think this is the heart of the case - if you want to present and carry yourself like a THUG and a gangsta, sure it is your right to do so, but people will judge and assess you accordingly.

Unforunately - he came into contact w an idiot like Zimmerman and it ended up in his death.

Must be  a tough life - everyone telling you to shut the fuck up.   

[240 is Back]

and the defense team having no idea that 10/20/Life applies to manslaughter or aggrivated assault - PATHETIC.  They're unprepared for this case, sad really.  I called out the inept defense team on day 1 and we're seeing it now as well.  Mandatory sentencing may be what ends up keeping zimmerman locked up for 20 years.

Unless he settles for a last minute plea for 8 years to avoid that 20 year charge he's suddenly facing because the defense had no idea...

agg assault + child abuse = 15 year possible sentence.

manslaughter+ firearm = 30 YEAR possible sentence.

Suddenly, the idea of a last minute plea for 8 year bid or 5 years to serve seems way  more realistic

[Archer77]

Yeah. Certainly not homicide. Manslaughter 2nd?

I don't believe Zim set out with malicious intent to kill Martain which is requisite for Murder 2.  He should never have followed the guy.

[dr.chimps]

I don't believe Zim set out with malicious intent to kill Martain which is requisite for Murder 2.  He should never have followed the guy.

Agreed.

[Soul Crusher]

Must be  a tough life - everyone telling you to shut the fuck up.   

No - I just say what most people think and wont voice for fear of being called a racist.  The fact is that when you blacks on the corner w gold chains, pants around ass, gold teeth, hoodies, etc - most people make the assumption that they want to be looked at like thugs and criminals since that is how they present themselves.  

No different than any other group, whether its guidos wearing track suits, hipsters w the messenger bags and skinny jeans, etc.  

[BigCyp]

You know el cholo was about 170lbs at most back then?

Ah ok, in that case paranoia or not i'd have smacked him in the jaw and shoved the purple skittles up his ass (don't like those ones)

[Archer77]

Agreed.

Manslaughter may apply. It's a tough one because there are many unknowns. The grounds Zim uses to justify following Martain are flimsy but they aren't illegal.

[Parker]

Let me explain this to you and the others on this board - and I think this is the heart of the case - if you want to present and carry yourself like a THUG and a gangsta, sure it is your right to do so, but people will judge and assess you accordingly.

Unforunately - he came into contact w an idiot like Zimmerman and it ended up in his death.

  

Are those fronts or teeth...
And to me, he is just kid (17) trying to fit in, there are tons of white kids like him...
I don't even consider him a thug, or a gangsta (glamourizing a certain lifestyle, yes) You know them when you see them...

And as I said, you go way too much to extremes. Get that ish checked out, you are acting like the stereotypical neurotic New Yorker. Everybody is an evil boogeyman ready to pop shots at you.

We don't know how Trayvon would have turned out. He wasn't a perfect kid, he wasn't what I call an exceptionally good kid. But, he wasn't doing time at Juvy for robbery or a shooting, either.
You've condemned a 17 yr old (who is dead). And what I really take personally, is that I have seen kids like Trayvon, who people like you have written off, and have turned themselves around (with some help and guidance).

Like Archer77 we don't know each of their personalities. But what we do know, is at 28 yrs old, Zimmerman was far more of the eff up than Trayvon was...and his father was a judge. And he is from an area that is well to do as well.

[Shockwave]

Even if Trayvon stopped running, and turned to see Zimm trying to tackle him/all wide eyed ready to move on him - the black kid would be justified in punching him in the jaw.

So here's 2 likely scenarios, which I believe both paint Trayvon as a victim:

1. Trayvon swings for Zimm in defense and they brawl (both trying to aggresively defend themselves) T get's shot. Agg Assault/Murder
2. Trayvon stops running and turns to Zimm, Zimm throws the first punch - Agg Assault/Murder.

I can't see Zimm's innocence in either.

what if trayvon stopped running, turned around, and said fuck you bro, and punched him and began assaulting him?

[BigCyp]

Are those fronts or teeth...
And to me, he is just kid (17) trying to fit in, there are tons of white kids like him...
I don't even consider him a thug, or a gangsta (glamourizing a certain lifestyle, yes) You know them when you see them...

And as I said, you go way too much to extremes. Get that ish checked out, you are acting like the stereotypical neurotic New Yorker. Everybody is an evil boogeyman ready to pop shots at you.

We don't know how Trayvon would have turned out. He wasn't a perfect kid, he was what I call an exceptionally good kid. But, he wasn't doing time at Juvy for robbery or a shooting, either.
You've condemned a 17 yr old (who is dead). And what I really take personally, is that I have seen kids like Trayvon, who people like you have written off, and have turned themselves around (with some help and guidance).

Like Archer77 we don't know each of their personalities. But what we do know, is at 28 yrs old, Zimmerman was far more of the eff up than Trayvon was...and his father was a judge. And he is from an area that is well to do as well.

Yep, I got more time for a 17 year old posing for pics on facebook, than a strange 28 year old who molests his cousins.

[Archer77]

what if trayvon stopped running, turned around, and said fuck you bro, and punched him and began assaulting him?

Even under these circumstances we have to ask ourselves whether Martain would be justified attacking Zimmerman, a person he didnt know who was following him.