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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1550 on: July 13, 2013, 11:20:18 PM »

I literally laughed out loud.

bravo.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1551 on: July 13, 2013, 11:27:32 PM »
I have only Facebook and yes it's gay, but people are already going up in arms. Wonder if social networking was made be the illuminati to keep us docile.

Oh yeah. If you look at the LA Riots, the majority of the troublemakers were a bunch of young people sitting around with nothing to do. Now you've cheap internet and dozens of social media sites for interaction, plus you've got free porn, file sharing, etc....

No one has time to sit around, think, and be angry. You'll never see riots over small causes again, no one's got time for it.

You might see little pockets of violence, and neer-do-wells that try to shield their crimes in the cloak of "justice for ...." , but that's it.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1553 on: July 13, 2013, 11:42:18 PM »
From another forum, READ THIS:

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Originally posted by boncho
I have to edit the original sources here for the following stories as where they came from was disturbing.

And must emphatically state that I am not race bating.

For anyone who believes that this verdict was reached, and the only reason Zimmerman got off, is because the victim was black, they need to watch the trial and review all the facts. In previous posts, I alluded to a number of things that helps clear this up.

But one thing I want to point out is something about the media, political figures like Obama, Sharpton and Jackson. Since the Trayvon case, there has been a number of very shocking cases.

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COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) -
The Columbia Police Department has arrested three men in connection with the killing of a Columbia mother of four last week.

http://www.wistv.com/story/22781877/arrests-made-in-murder-of

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Gabriel Edwards, 15, faces 14 charges, including murder, robbery and auto theft. Edwards was arrested following the spree on Feb. 13. His friend, Sirquain Burr, was arrested as well.

Edwards said he met Burr, whom he calls “Six”, in January.

Both teens are accused of several robberies, a high speed chase and the death of 38-year-old John Yingling.


Read more: http://fox59.com/2013/07/02/victims-family-failed-juvenile-system-to-blame-for-crime-spree/#ixzz2Yz4HLH7U



As I mentioned, I do not want to race bait here. I want to put something in perspective. There are two issues I'd like to address.

In the two above cases, they were "black on white" crimes. All murders. All family people, mothers or fathers that were killed.

In the first case, it involved a 16 year old and two 18 year olds. In the second it involved a 17 year old and a 15 year old.

The victims were all older. The suspects, mere teenagers.

Here are the points:

1. Where are the political taking points on these cases? Obama did not mention them in any speeches. He did not say, "If I had a son he would look like ______, the teenage murderer."

1. (a) . Where is the media coverage? If you see cases like these, but then turn on your TV and see 12 hour coverage on Trayvon Martin, do you not think to yourself, "Hmm, seems like I'm being manipulated here, I'm only being told about the story that would inflame a singled out race of people, not the stories that might bring shame or force political pundits to deplore these crimes in the public eye."

and..

2. Let's ignore the fact that these teenage murderers are black in the above two cases. (Because there are criminals in ever race, creed, color, etc. Let's take into account they were either gang members, or wanna-be gang members, and portrayed themselves as "gangsta".

Now, these kids who committed murder were 18 and under. A 15 year old and a 17 year old. If the Father and the Mother who were killed in this case, instead had a gun and defended themselves, I wonder if the headlines instead would be different. And would there be a national media circus like there is in the Zimmerman case.





The fact that all cases are not treated equally in the media leaves everyone open to manipulation. It seems as though the outcome must have been clearly predictable for the people involved. They were hesitant to even file charges in the first place. Did they know the final outcome? Was this intended? To incite race hatred, this case has proven to be most effective. But what's the point? The media should be ashamed of themselves.

People who have kneejerk reactions ought to too.

One last thing I would like to say, although I highlighted two racial cases. No matter, I am not going to blame every person of that race for those actions of the people in those cases. Neither should anyone with the Zimmerman case. It's your right to voice your opinion if you don't agree with the outcome. But if you cross the line, or blame anyone else for what happened there, you are the bad guy. No one else.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1554 on: July 13, 2013, 11:51:51 PM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1555 on: July 13, 2013, 11:53:34 PM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1556 on: July 14, 2013, 12:07:22 AM »
if I was a loser with no job, low test levels and looked like a dyke I would look forward to start shit too my friend

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1557 on: July 14, 2013, 12:11:53 AM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1559 on: July 14, 2013, 12:13:45 AM »

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1561 on: July 14, 2013, 12:17:04 AM »


Are these people completely ignorant, or crazy? ???

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1562 on: July 14, 2013, 12:17:51 AM »
Knock knock...

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1563 on: July 14, 2013, 12:59:46 AM »
Are these people completely ignorant, or crazy? ???

Slightly dangerous but easily manipulated into control

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1564 on: July 14, 2013, 01:04:58 AM »
Yea he is off the hook with the courts now he has to face angry people that will try to take him out.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1565 on: July 14, 2013, 02:53:13 AM »
Yeah, this isn't about race.
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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1566 on: July 14, 2013, 06:51:49 AM »
  He still killed a child.

And?

I refer you to that case in Utah. A 17-year-old "child" punched a soccer referee in the face. That ref went into a coma and was BRAIN DEAD within hours. His wife is a widow and his children are fatherless. The ref isn't any less DEAD or his family any less DEVASTATED because the guy who decked him was a "child".

So spare me that mess.

Trayvon Martin was a "child" who broke Zimmerman's nose and slammed his head on the concrete. He screwed with the wrong guy and became a bullet cushion as a result.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1567 on: July 14, 2013, 07:06:04 AM »
And?

I refer you to that case in Utah. A 17-year-old "child" punched a soccer referee in the face. That ref went into a coma and was BRAIN DEAD within hours. His wife is a widow and his children are fatherless. The ref isn't any less DEAD or his family any less DEVASTATED because the guy who decked him was a "child".

So spare me that mess.

Trayvon Martin was a "child" who broke Zimmerman's nose and slammed his head on the concrete. He screwed with the wrong guy and became a bullet cushion as a result.

its really weird that you would compare Trayvon to a guy who wa openly aggressive for no reason.....Trayvon was  simply walking home.....is that a crime?...how is it that in America, a kid walking home is murdered and you are okay with that???....you just don't get it

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1568 on: July 14, 2013, 07:07:34 AM »
LOL!  H2O2 and some adjustments to her appearance for USA marketing.

 

Idiots on here say my mother is white.  ::)

Shakira changes her hair color on a regular basis. She was a red-head in the late 90s.

I've seen Univision and HTV ("El Poder de la Musica"), which had girls that looked like Britney Spears-clones.

BTW, wouldn't Christina Aguilera also be a "White Hispanic"?


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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1569 on: July 14, 2013, 07:15:28 AM »
its really weird that you would compare Trayvon to a guy who wa openly aggressive for no reason.....Trayvon was  simply walking home.....is that a crime?...how is it that in America, a kid walking home is murdered and you are okay with that???....you just don't get it

"Openly aggressive"?

Did Zimmerman strike Martin? NO! (unless you count striking Martin's fist with his face  ::) )

Did Zimmerman throw something at Martin? NO!

Did Zimmerman verbally or physically threaten Martin? NO!


You're spewing the same crap that Shaprton, Jackson, and the rest of those clowns were with this story.

I'm not OK with a kid walking home and being murdered. Unfortunately, for you and certain left-winged race hucksters, that's not what happened.

As I said, this "No Limit N----A" crossed the wrong "creepy @$$ cracker" and got his "No Limit N----A" @$$ SHOT!!!

Martin's body was near Zimmerman's truck which was (relatively speaking) nowhere near his daddy's girlfriend's place.

In America and especially in Florida, if you assault someone, you might get popped by that someone.


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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1570 on: July 14, 2013, 07:22:41 AM »
Dershowitz: Zimmerman Prosecutors 'Should Be Disbarred'
Friday, 12 Jul 2013 06:22 PM
By Bill Hoffmann

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder trial should be charged with "prosecutorial misconduct" for suggesting the defendant planned the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

"That is something no prosecutor should be allowed to get away with … to make up a story from whole cloth," Dershowitz told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"These prosecutors should be disbarred. They have acted absolutely irresponsibly in an utterly un-American fashion."

Zimmerman, a 29-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with gunning down Martin, 17, as the two fought following a confrontation in the gated Sanford, Fla., community where Zimmerman lives — an act the defendant said was in self-defense.
In the prosecution's final argument on Friday, lawyer John Guy said Zimmerman deliberately followed Martin and "shot him because he wanted to."
Dershowitz called Guy's statement "such speculation. How does he get into the mind of Zimmerman? He hasn't cross-examined him, he hasn't met him.

"To ask the jury to believe that is to ask the jury to convict based on complete and utter speculation and that's not the way the law operates."
A day earlier, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said Zimmerman — whom he labeled a "wannabe cop" — "followed" and "tracked" Martin after profiling him as a criminal.
Dershowitz said not only should Zimmerman have not been charged with second-degree murder, but prosecutors should not have pushed to have manslaughter and child abuse added to the list of possible jury verdicts.

"[It's] utterly irresponsible. … The idea that the prosecution can try the case on a murder theory and then, at the last minute, substitute manslaughter, even though it seems to be permitted generally under Florida law — it's a big mistake to allow it in a case like this,” he said.

"And then the very idea of even suggesting child abuse in a case like this is so irresponsible."

Dershowitz praised the closing argument of defense lawyer Mark O'Mara.

"He did the right thing by being methodical and factual because this is a case where the prosecution's case is all emotion and the defense case is all factual," the famed civil-rights lawyer said.

"Emotionally, obviously everybody can identify with a young, unarmed 17-year-old who ends up dead, and emotionally, as Obama said, he's all of our children."

Dershowitz — whose clients have included Claus von Bulow, Mike Tyson, Patricia Hearst, and former televangelist Jim Bakker — said the case has "reasonable doubt" written all over it.

"Nobody knows who started the initial physical encounter, who threw the first blow — and if you don't know that you have to have a reasonable doubt," he said.

"Nobody knows for sure who screamed, 'Help me, help me.' You have to have a reasonable doubt about that. Nobody knows for sure who was on top and who was on bottom, though the overwhelming forensic evidence suggests that Zimmerman was on the bottom having his head banged by a younger, stronger man. You have to have reasonable doubt there."

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1571 on: July 14, 2013, 07:28:16 AM »
"These people" only got themselves to blame for letting emotions and media guide their reality of what was going on in the case instead of the facts.

If "these people" had understand the details and facts of the case first, and then look at what the prosecution would have to prove for a guilty verdict, they wouldn't have had this false hope for a conviction and not have been setup for disappointment.

"These people" are manipulated and played by the media. It's sad that people let this happen to themselves. As if they don't understand the fundamentals of freedom where you owe it to yourself to build your own opinion based on facts, not what some syndicate tells you to believe.  And now they are all reacting as a group, so cute.

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1572 on: July 14, 2013, 08:44:14 AM »
its really weird that you would compare Trayvon to a guy who wa openly aggressive for no reason.....Trayvon was  simply walking home.....is that a crime?...how is it that in America, a kid walking home is murdered and you are okay with that???....you just don't get it

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1573 on: July 14, 2013, 08:50:29 AM »
Yea he is off the hook with the courts now he has to face angry people that will try to take him out.

Nothing losing 100 pounds and changing his name can't fix. Heard he put on tons of weight for this reason alone...

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Re: George Zimmerman - Guilty or Innocent?
« Reply #1574 on: July 14, 2013, 08:55:26 AM »
Nothing losing 100 pounds and changing his name can't fix. Heard he put on tons of weight for this reason alone...

Yeah, an extensive diet (shredded) + adding a full beard + moustasche could change his total appearance