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Re: This is why I love Ted Nugent
« Reply #375 on: July 17, 2013, 04:33:09 AM »
How about the draft-dodging, pedophile Ted? 

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Re: This is why I love Ted Nugent
« Reply #376 on: July 17, 2013, 04:50:39 AM »
Ted Nugent is so badass, he literally shit his pants to become unable to serve the country he loves.

How can a real patriot admire such a guy?

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Re: This is why I love Ted Nugent
« Reply #377 on: July 17, 2013, 06:14:20 AM »
Ted Nugent is so badass, he literally shit his pants to become unable to serve the country he loves.

How can a real patriot admire such a guy?

I'm a card-carrying member of the Constitution Party, and the dude has really gotten on my nerves over the past few years.

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Re: This is why I love Ted Nugent
« Reply #378 on: July 17, 2013, 06:27:32 AM »
I admire anybody who doesn't pussyfoot around the fact too much of black culture is about looking and acting like you're violent, unpredictable and a criminal. 

I'm not saying all blacks are criminal - but their culture in the US for young black males is that you have to be dangerous - you have to be a threat.  You look up to guys who boast about killing anybody that gets in their way.  What's the difference with whities?  they look up to what?  dudes who make comically silly 3000 note a second songs about medieval days and satan? 

Tough luck if some of them get shot up by scared and confused wannabe cops.  They are wannabe cops for a reason.  :)

Afterwards, the minority of true thugs then go and damage anything they can damage (a lot of private property, might I add) to "teach" random people a lesson about how they want you to be scared of them, they want you to think they are tough and dangerous - but they don't want you to be suspicious when they walk around hooded at night, the very same thing that someone might do if they were up to no good.

I'm not defending that halfwit and his wannabe cop attitude - I'm defending the notion that someone can't see this coming.  When you put stupid people and a self created "fearsome" reputation together - you're going to get weird shit happening.   

Black people need to be pointing the finger at themselves.  They created their public image and they want it to continue.  But they also want everybody else to not treat them them like criminals (ie by psychic), when perhaps they are legitimately wearing their criminal style uniforms, whilst doing legitimate things.

If I see a black guy in the US - I just assume he's statistically more likely to be a criminal.

Because guess what?

He is.

Fact.

Ted Nugent is crazy, but he's right this time.

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Re: This is why I love Ted Nugent
« Reply #379 on: July 17, 2013, 06:28:11 AM »
Ted Nugent is so badass, he literally shit his pants to become unable to serve the country he loves.

How can a real patriot admire such a guy?

Hahaha. 
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Re: This is why I love Ted Nugent
« Reply #380 on: July 17, 2013, 07:13:39 AM »
Sorry - it isn't Treyvon's fault he got shot (well, it could be - but I don't know what really happened and I won't be a dick and assume it).

It is, however, a collective fault of black people and the rich white shitheads who backed them into the corner, a long time ago - that blacks continue to justify for their hostility.

It's a vicious cycle, really - black guy goes for job interview, white guy interviewing him thinks "this person is statistically more likely to be a criminal, I'm going to hire the fat fuck white guy, instead". Was that white guy a racist or was he trying to stay alive by continuously taking the safer option?  Depending on who you ask, you'll get a different answer.  Politically correct nuts will naturally side with that being unfair - but that's because these people are actively attempting to repress the survival mentality kicking in.  Human beings wouldn't exist if we didn't marginalise and brutalise anything that threatened our proliferation.    White guy can quite possibly just simply not give a fuck about anything but staying alive and getting paid and if someone is slightly more likely to challenge that - he's not getting hired.

It's getting to the point where ragheads will no longer be hired in countries, either.  I respect that most of them are peaceful, but there's also a large enough contingent of people who find it second nature to talk about the removal of craniums like it's going down the shop for some milk ::) - fuck them, I wouldn't hire one just on the principal of that.  Not to mention the fact that they treat their women like second class citizens and that is also lame.


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'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #381 on: July 17, 2013, 07:20:21 AM »
The not-guilty verdict for George Zimmerman in the death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin has outraged many people across the country, including "The Wire" creator David Simon.

In an emotional, fiery post on his blog, The Audacity of Despair, Simon denounced the verdict, saying he was "ashamed to call himself an American."

Simon knows a little something about race. He worked for 12 years as a crime reporter in Baltimore, witnessing firsthand the despair referenced in his blog title. He then channeled that knowledge to write nuanced, complex portrayals of race, drugs, poverty, violence, and corruption on series like "Homicide: Life on the Street," "The Corner," and "The Wire."

From 2002-2005 on "The Wire," Simon and his team of writers depicted the often deadly consequences for young black men living within the broken education, political, and justice systems. The series was lauded as an American storytelling masterpiece, inspired professors to teach about it in college classes, and was recently named the No. 1 series of all time by Entertainment Weekly.

Outside of his television writing, Simon often comments on social issues, and the Martin case stirred up particularly forceful feelings in him. Here's the entirety of his post:

You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead.

In the state of Florida, the season on African-Americans now runs year round. Come one, come all. And bring a handgun. The legislators are fine with this blood on their hands. The governor, too. One man accosted another and when it became a fist fight, one man — and one man only — had a firearm. The rest is racial rationalization and dishonorable commentary.

If I were a person of color in Florida, I would pick up a brick and start walking toward that courthouse in Sanford. Those that do not, those that hold the pain and betrayal inside and somehow manage to resist violence — these citizens are testament to a stoic tolerance that is more than the rest of us deserve. I confess, their patience and patriotism is well beyond my own.

Behold, the lewd, pornographic embrace of two great American pathologies: Race and guns, both of which have conspired not only to take the life of a teenager, but to make that killing entirely permissible. I can't look an African-American parent in the eye for thinking about what they must tell their sons about what can happen to them on the streets of their country. Tonight, anyone who truly understands what justice is and what it requires of a society is ashamed to call himself an American."

Strong words. But Simon didn't stop there. Remarkably, he took the time to address many of the comments following the post. A few highlights:

.One commenter chastised him for trying to "fan the flames and incite violence," to which Simon replied, "You've missed the thread of that passage utterly."
Several others called on Simon to prove that Zimmerman's actions in shooting Martin were racist. He replied, "I don't think Mr. Zimmerman is by any necessity a racist. But his calculations and his behaviors were racially motivated."
In other responses, Simon bemoaned the slippery slope effect — that the Martin case would be the first of many. "The law has changed — and the culture of legal self-defense is changing — in a revolutionary fashion. There will be more of these cases now. Not less."
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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #382 on: July 17, 2013, 07:21:41 AM »
Translation: The Wire creator needs publicity after his flops post The Wire

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #383 on: July 17, 2013, 07:24:16 AM »
This is a powerful statement though.

"You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead."

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #384 on: July 17, 2013, 07:26:25 AM »
This is a powerful statement though.

"You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead."


The black guy jumped him, I didn't see Zimmerman running in guns blazing then the black guy punching.

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #385 on: July 17, 2013, 07:26:29 AM »
Isn't David Simon the same guy that got rich glamorizing street violence in black communities?

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #386 on: July 17, 2013, 07:28:05 AM »
Isn't David Simon the same guy that got rich glamorizing street violence in black communities?
Yes, but the guy does have the credentials. He isn't making shit up.

Simon knows a little something about race. He worked for 12 years as a crime reporter in Baltimore, witnessing firsthand the despair referenced in his blog title. He then channeled that knowledge to write nuanced, complex portrayals of race, drugs, poverty, violence, and corruption on series like "Homicide: Life on the Street," "The Corner," and "The Wire."

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #387 on: July 17, 2013, 07:29:27 AM »
This is a powerful statement though.

"You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead."


He's following the narrative demaded by his political philosophy.  He's completely ignored the important fact that Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic and would be perceived as Hispanic by anyone who laid eyes on him, especially the police.  
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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #388 on: July 17, 2013, 07:31:49 AM »
Simon's best works are essentially sophisticated blacksploitation. It's not surprising where he comes down on this.  

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« Reply #389 on: July 17, 2013, 07:34:40 AM »
This is a powerful statement though.

"You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead."


So buy a gun.

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« Reply #390 on: July 17, 2013, 07:35:25 AM »
They need to change the stand your ground law.  So let me get this right. Let's say two white guys hate eachother. One white guy, has a legal firearm and a license to carry. They get into a fight. The guy with the gun starts getting his ass handed to him. He shoots the other guy, and claims it was in self defense.

Stupid law. Concealed weapons carriers are no different then Billy The Kid. They know they have the power to kill, and the power of the law behind them.

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #392 on: July 17, 2013, 07:38:25 AM »
This is a powerful statement though.

"You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead."


Well, so everyone will continue to ignore what we believe is the best evidence, what an eye-witness saw: one man staddling another, banging his head on the cement.


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« Reply #393 on: July 17, 2013, 07:42:04 AM »
Well, so everyone will continue to ignore what we believe is the best evidence, what an eye-witness saw: one man staddling another, banging his head on the cement.


Maybe. But should a man carrying a gun (legally) have the option to shoot to kill if shit gets hairy? Even if he was the original aggresor?

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« Reply #394 on: July 17, 2013, 07:47:14 AM »
They need to change the stand your ground law.  So let me get this right. Let's say two white guys hate eachother. One white guy, has a legal firearm and a license to carry. They get into a fight. The guy with the gun starts getting his ass handed to him. He shoots the other guy, and claims it was in self defense.

Stupid law. Concealed weapons carriers are no different then Billy The Kid. They know they have the power to kill, and the power of the law behind them.

No. That's isn't how it works. If there are witnesses, the CCW will be charged if it is proven that the CCW maliciously instigated the fight. Also prior incidents will be taken into account. A CCW isn't a license to kill.

The problem with the Zimmerman is that no one exactly knows what went on during that confrontation between them. He was able to show injuries and there was no provable malice. He would've walked in any state of the union, if they actually followed the law, and didn't bow to outside pressures.

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #395 on: July 17, 2013, 07:48:06 AM »
On this note the wire has to be the most overrated show.If I was to write a book on sheep mentality this would be my case study.

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #396 on: July 17, 2013, 07:49:40 AM »
The not-guilty verdict for George Zimmerman in the death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin has outraged many people across the country, including "The Wire" creator David Simon.

In an emotional, fiery post on his blog, The Audacity of Despair, Simon denounced the verdict, saying he was "ashamed to call himself an American."

Simon knows a little something about race. He worked for 12 years as a crime reporter in Baltimore, witnessing firsthand the despair referenced in his blog title. He then channeled that knowledge to write nuanced, complex portrayals of race, drugs, poverty, violence, and corruption on series like "Homicide: Life on the Street," "The Corner," and "The Wire."

From 2002-2005 on "The Wire," Simon and his team of writers depicted the often deadly consequences for young black men living within the broken education, political, and justice systems. The series was lauded as an American storytelling masterpiece, inspired professors to teach about it in college classes, and was recently named the No. 1 series of all time by Entertainment Weekly.

Outside of his television writing, Simon often comments on social issues, and the Martin case stirred up particularly forceful feelings in him. Here's the entirety of his post:

You can stand your ground if you're white, and you can use a gun to do it. But if you stand your ground with your fists and you're black, you're dead.

In the state of Florida, the season on African-Americans now runs year round. Come one, come all. And bring a handgun. The legislators are fine with this blood on their hands. The governor, too. One man accosted another and when it became a fist fight, one man — and one man only — had a firearm. The rest is racial rationalization and dishonorable commentary.

If I were a person of color in Florida, I would pick up a brick and start walking toward that courthouse in Sanford. Those that do not, those that hold the pain and betrayal inside and somehow manage to resist violence — these citizens are testament to a stoic tolerance that is more than the rest of us deserve. I confess, their patience and patriotism is well beyond my own.

Behold, the lewd, pornographic embrace of two great American pathologies: Race and guns, both of which have conspired not only to take the life of a teenager, but to make that killing entirely permissible. I can't look an African-American parent in the eye for thinking about what they must tell their sons about what can happen to them on the streets of their country. Tonight, anyone who truly understands what justice is and what it requires of a society is ashamed to call himself an American."

Strong words. But Simon didn't stop there. Remarkably, he took the time to address many of the comments following the post. A few highlights:

.One commenter chastised him for trying to "fan the flames and incite violence," to which Simon replied, "You've missed the thread of that passage utterly."
Several others called on Simon to prove that Zimmerman's actions in shooting Martin were racist. He replied, "I don't think Mr. Zimmerman is by any necessity a racist. But his calculations and his behaviors were racially motivated."
In other responses, Simon bemoaned the slippery slope effect — that the Martin case would be the first of many. "The law has changed — and the culture of legal self-defense is changing — in a revolutionary fashion. There will be more of these cases now. Not less."
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Simon is free to leave if he hates America so much.  Phag.
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« Reply #397 on: July 17, 2013, 07:53:43 AM »
No. That's isn't how it works. If there are witnesses, the CCW will be charged if it is proven that the CCW maliciously instigated the fight. Also prior incidents will be taken into account. A CCW isn't a license to kill.

The problem with the Zimmerman is that no one exactly knows what went on during that confrontation between them. He was able to show injuries and there was no provable malice. He would've walked in any state of the union, if they actually followed the law, and didn't bow to outside pressures.
Both guys (Zimmerman, Martin) were known to have shaky pasts. We cannot judge them for pasts. All of the evidence points to Zimmerman forcing the issue, of a black kid walking in the middle of the night.

So are we saying that Zimmerman had the right to both instigate, and finish a fight with a gun? Zimmerman was clearly on a mission that night.

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Re: 'The Wire' Creator David Simon, says he is ashamed to be an American.
« Reply #398 on: July 17, 2013, 08:01:45 AM »
Maybe. But should a man carrying a gun (legally) have the option to shoot to kill if shit gets hairy? Even if he was the original aggresor?

Except that there is no evidence -- none -- that Zimmerman was the original aggressor.

Zimmerman was keeping an eye on Trayvon until police arrived.

Trayvon's friend provided the best clue as to why Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.  He believed it was a gay guy crusing him (creepy ass cracka).

Once Trayvon staddled Zimmerman and began to bash in his head, all bets are off the table.


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Re: Zimmerman & OJ Simpson
« Reply #399 on: July 17, 2013, 08:07:02 AM »
I don't know what kind of case they could bring against the DOJ because I'm sure there is some sort of immunity involved, but I'm certain they can bring suit against NBC. 

NBC needs to be sued. 
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